Do you love or hate musclecars?

[midinite]

It seems that musclecars are a polarizing subject. some will openly rave about them while others will just loathe them. some will remain neutral. some will praise them. others may ridicule them.

individuals will say that they are gas guzzlers. others may claim that they are icons.

some say they merit a section in tsikot. others say they dont.

where do you stand on this? (this time there will be no middle ground)

[Chip]

I love them!

How can you not love the throaty rumble of a v8?
I remember during the egroup's biggest ever EB, I was pestering the owner of the gt350 to rev her up And he jokingly quipped "thats 40 pesos right there bawat rev" hehehe still, the sound is something you have to hear. VROOM VROOM!

And the curves! On some cars, the lines are dull and boring. But old school cars(not all of course), the lines are very sensual, reminding me of the curve of a woman's hip sometimes

Like a tsikoteer once said, having one is like having a mistress. Shes got the right curves and screams like a banshee in bed. Sure, she's high maintenance and sometimes temperamental, but she will make you grin with joy every time

[Camaro 400 HP]

Dang, i like your comment Chip. Couldn't have said it better myself. A well maintained muscle car is something to admire.

[Jun aka Pekto]

I didn't vote because it's not a love or hate kind of thing...... My first car was a white 1976 TransAm "GhostRider". I had to give it up because parts such as tires were expensive and I didn't have a good-paying job at the time.

For a while, I didn't have much money. So my next car was a 1986 Nissan Pulsar.

In late 1990, I decided to buy another sports coupe, a 1991 Plymouth Laser RS Turbo (which I still have). It can run with most V8's of the time. But, I do hate that turbo lag which makes it a poor stoplight racer. If you look at Car and Driver's reviews, check out the street-start (5-60 mph) times. You'll see that most turbo cars lag V8's and even some V6's.

The reason I care about street starts is that a cop will pay closer attention to a revving turbo motor (driver keeping it within boost range) than a V8/V6 which have power on tap from the get go. So yep. V8's have their appeal. Everyone knows they're gas guzzlers. The driver's not going to care.


I haven't had a chance to buy another V8 because of family life (hence the 1995 Ford Contour SE and 2006 Hyundai Sonata V6). But, once our daughter moves out and we decide not to retire to the Philippines, I'm buying a new/used Mustang GT.

[oldblue]

I dont like em bec they dont look modern.
It's like flaunting your old black & white nokia communicator.

besides what's so special about old gas-guzzling V8 engines and almost 90 percent purely mechanical parts. it a waste of time for the younger generation to even tinker with it. to some oldies, it can be a way to relive their past, to regain long-lost confidence and pride. It can be therapeutic for them. i respect that

A

[Jun aka Pekto]

I dont like em bec they dont look modern.
It's like flaunting your old black & white nokia communicator.

besides what's so special about old gas-guzzling V8 engines and almost 90 percent purely mechanical parts. it a waste of time for the younger generation to even tinker with it. to some oldies, it can be a way to relive their past, to regain long-lost confidence and pride. It can be therapeutic for them. i respect that

A

I don't know. Even the Mitsu 2L turbo of my Laser looked way too complicated the first time I saw it. But muscle cars refer to most V8 cars, both classic and modern.

As for gas guzzlers, check out the latest Car and Driver comparo. The latest:

Mustang GT 17/25 mpg
Evo RS 19/25 mpg
Grand Prix GXP 18/27 mpg
Subaru Legacy 2.5 GT 20/27 mpg
MazdaSpeed 6 19/25 mpg
Dodge Charger R/T 17/25 mpg
2005 WRX STi 18/24 mpg
350z 19/25 mpg

Seems pretty close to me......

[gearspeed]

Hindi ko sila hate kinakatakutan ko lang. Ang lakas kase ng muscle cars eh.

[wren]

i love 'em...pero pag natutulog ako't dumaan sila, i hate 'em.

[midinite]

Hindi ko sila hate kinakatakutan ko lang. Ang lakas kase ng muscle cars eh.

mas nakakatakot ang luma na naka drum brakes. parang mapapa-flinstones kas sa pag preno.

[midinite]

I dont like em bec they dont look modern.
It's like flaunting your old black & white nokia communicator.

besides what's so special about old gas-guzzling V8 engines and almost 90 percent purely mechanical parts. it a waste of time for the younger generation to even tinker with it. to some oldies, it can be a way to relive their past, to regain long-lost confidence and pride. It can be therapeutic for them. i respect that

A

Good to see your opinion. maybe that is why it is why they are fun to tinker with. personally am not much of a computer/electronic person and have a hard time with the new cars that have all these gadgets. it is nice sometimes to change your own intakes, balance carbs and play gearing ratios.

[midinite]

I dont like em bec they dont look modern.
It's like flaunting your old black & white nokia communicator.


A

Question lang to the group...arent cars like the chrysler 300 a tribute to older designs? kasi it seems some marques are actually doing the retro thing and that is a look thing diba?

[oldblue]

Question lang to the group...arent cars like the chrysler 300 a tribute to older designs? kasi it seems some marques are actually doing the retro thing and that is a look thing diba?

it is still equipped with modern technology. although they say it's a retro thingy, I hardly see that it is.

[midinite]

it is still equipped with modern technology. although they say it's a retro thingy, I hardly see that it is.

yup. because it must evolve so it has modern tech. now retro is based on design. the new chrysler is inspired by the orig 300 series of chrysler in the 50s. even the first incarnation of the BMW z3 was inspired by the 507s (or was it 509s) of the 50s. Miatas of roadsters of the past. even now the new charger, etc. from a design standpoint do you dislike these cars? if so that isnt a prob since you are entitled to an opinion. but for many they epitomize cars with soul as opposed to a, no offense, Korean car that may have the latest tech.

hate to say this but even concept cars may have some "nostalgic" (shudder) inspiration. "Classic" means enduring in terms of design and timeless. now adding all the tech parts and modernities are for it to keep up with the times. but then again we are entitled to our opinions as you have yours of course. it is just hard to look at things in a vacuum.

[Alpha_One]

I dont like em bec they dont look modern.
It's like flaunting your old black & white nokia communicator.

besides what's so special about old gas-guzzling V8 engines and almost 90 percent purely mechanical parts. it a waste of time for the younger generation to even tinker with it. to some oldies, it can be a way to relive their past, to regain long-lost confidence and pride. It can be therapeutic for them. i respect that

A

You must be a techie. I respect your opinion, though I don't agree with it. To me a car isn't a cellphone.

Running an old muscle car is a hobby. Like other hobbies, there's not much practical value in it. Many hobbies are a complete waste of time and money, to begin with.

I've always dreamt of having a muscle car. In fact, I wish someday I could restore my granduncle's '66 Chevelle 4-door. I only saw it running as a kid, and I wish I could still see it running now. Unfortunately it was garaged because it was getting too expensive to run.

Muscle cars represent the era when the Americans were very proud and happy about their cars.

[Flagg]

The sound I remember most fondly from when I was a kid was the rumble of daddy's '69 Mach 1.

My best childhood memories are of being in the front seat of the Mach 1 on Sunday morning runs down what used to be called South Superhighway. I remember them even better than Disneyland.

The only better memories cum very slightly after puberty... but that's another story.

Today, I have my Trans Am. Everytime I pass it in the garage, I can't resist tracing the body's lines as I walk on by... salamat po sir turbo!

[redorange]

How can you not like a car that you can still fix with just regular tools and not need a computer to find out what's wrong?
The rumble of a V8 and smell of burning fuel just brings back childhood memories. I would take a 289 Mustang, 69 Camaro, and 78 Mustang II King Cobra(yes it's like the one in Charlie's Angels tv show), 69 AMC Javelin, 68 Plymouth Road Runner.

As far as being a gas guzzler the last review that Car and Driver, Motor Trend, etc. conducted on the STI and EVO they averaged 14mpg on a mix of city and highway driving. Now if you were going to get mileage that suck that much would you rather have a 2-2.5l turbo four banger or a rumbling V8? Besides these cars now sell at auctions for over $50,000 when in good running condition.

[OTEP]

The 'Fast and the Furious' crowd doesn't seem to have much love for muscle cars. hehehe.

Muscle cars are a part of history and harks back to simpler days. It's easy to buy a go-fast Evo or 350Z, but to build your own V8 monster is still something else.

[oldblue]

You must be a techie. I respect your opinion, though I don't agree with it. To me a car isn't a cellphone.

Running an old muscle car is a hobby. Like other hobbies, there's not much practical value in it. Many hobbies are a complete waste of time and money, to begin with.

I've always dreamt of having a muscle car. In fact, I wish someday I could restore my granduncle's '66 Chevelle 4-door. I only saw it running as a kid, and I wish I could still see it running now. Unfortunately it was garaged because it was getting too expensive to run.

Muscle cars represent the era when the Americans were very proud and happy about their cars.

no sir, i'm not really a techie person. but I like newer things all of the time. it inspires me.

sometime nga when I enter a house full of wood and antiques, nakikipag-plastikan na lang ako so as not to offend the host. pero ayaw ko talaga. words like classic, nostalgic and now muscle cars, and old school lancers and galants of 70's era, wala deadma talaga ako.

even yun mga civic vti's or esi's na siguro 30 years from now could be considered a classic for me. mas interested pa ako sa future car like yun mga concept cars.

[redorange]

no sir, i'm not really a techie person. but I like newer things all of the time. it inspires me.

sometime nga when I enter a house full of wood and antiques, nakikipag-plastikan na lang ako so as not to offend the host. pero ayaw ko talaga. words like classic, nostalgic and now muscle cars, and old school lancers and galants of 70's era, wala deadma talaga ako.

even yun mga civic vti's or esi's na siguro 30 years from now could be considered a classic for me. mas interested pa ako sa future car like yun mga concept cars.

But you can't get to the future without knowing the past. Correct me if I am wrong but you must not have been brought up in the era of these cars. Yes new technology is good but there is still something to be said for the simplicity of being able to fix your own car without needing an engineering degree. I guess muscle cars are sort of like people, they were once young and wild. But now that they are classics they are more mature and moving to becoming elder statesmen of their generation. As a show on Speed network says " Don't crush em, restore em".

[Alpha_One]

no sir, i'm not really a techie person. but I like newer things all of the time. it inspires me.

sometime nga when I enter a house full of wood and antiques, nakikipag-plastikan na lang ako so as not to offend the host. pero ayaw ko talaga. words like classic, nostalgic and now muscle cars, and old school lancers and galants of 70's era, wala deadma talaga ako.

even yun mga civic vti's or esi's na siguro 30 years from now could be considered a classic for me. mas interested pa ako sa future car like yun mga concept cars.

Oh I see, so you're not a classic type of person in general.

Personally I like anachronisms. I'm no purist though, so even if you can see a turntable next to my computer (it's connected to my computer, actually!), I'm not the type of person who'll be ever able to agree with the "vinyl forever warm sounding tonally pure" audiophile crowd. (so to speak)