Help in Engine Overhaul (2007 Toyota Avanza G 1.5)

[yellahfellah]

Our car is a 2007 Toyota Avanza G 1.5 AT Engine. I have been busy in the province since early this year and I forgot to have the oil changed. Last week, my son was driving the car when the dashboard indicator light for the oil lit up. However, he did not know what it meant so drive on pa rin siya until kumatok na nga ang engine dahil natuyo na ang engine oil. Upon consulting with a shop and other knowledgeable friends, the conclusion was that an engine overhaul was needed. So I had the car towed (flatbed) to a friend's shop and when the engine was brought down and disassembled, they cleaned it and told me to bring it to a machine shop. According to them, the machine shop will determine which parts would be needed to be replaced and what parts could be salvaged. They would also be doing other things required for the overhaul.

I brought the engine to a machine shop near our house and the estimate they gave me amounted to almost P46K!!! This was only for the works that they would be doing and excluded the cost of the parts to be bought.

Ganito ba talaga ang gastos ng engine overhaul??? Can you recommend me a cheaper, but reliable machine shop? PLS. PM ME... Ang location ko is near west Ave. in Quezon City. Tomorrow, I will be going to another machine shop located at Roosevelt Ave. near the corner of Quezon Ave. to compare the work needed to be done and their costs.

FYI, the shop I initially consulted with (also near our place) told me their labor would be a flat rate of P17k, and that the machine shop cost would be around P10k and cost of parts would depend on the condition of the engine pag binaba na at dinismantle. Rough estimate nila was a total cost of around P50k.

PLEASE HELP GUYS, I NEED YOUR ADVICE!!!

THANKS IN ADVANCE!

[dr. d]

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Our car is a 2007 Toyota Avanza G 1.5 AT Engine. I have been busy in the province since early this year and I forgot to have the oil changed. Last week, my son was driving the car when the dashboard indicator light for the oil lit up. However, he did not know what it meant so drive on pa rin siya until kumatok na nga ang engine dahil natuyo na ang engine oil. Upon consulting with a shop and other knowledgeable friends, the conclusion was that an engine overhaul was needed. So I had the car towed (flatbed) to a friend's shop and when the engine was brought down and disassembled, they cleaned it and told me to bring it to a machine shop. According to them, the machine shop will determine which parts would be needed to be replaced and what parts could be salvaged. They would also be doing other things required for the overhaul.

I brought the engine to a machine shop near our house and the estimate they gave me amounted to almost P46K!!! This was only for the works that they would be doing and excluded the cost of the parts to be bought.

Ganito ba talaga ang gastos ng engine overhaul??? Can you recommend me a cheaper, but reliable machine shop? PLS. PM ME... Ang location ko is near west Ave. in Quezon City. Tomorrow, I will be going to another machine shop located at Roosevelt Ave. near the corner of Quezon Ave. to compare the work needed to be done and their costs.

FYI, the shop I initially consulted with (also near our place) told me their labor would be a flat rate of P17k, and that the machine shop cost would be around P10k and cost of parts would depend on the condition of the engine pag binaba na at dinismantle. Rough estimate nila was a total cost of around P50k.

PLEASE HELP GUYS, I NEED YOUR ADVICE!!!

THANKS IN ADVANCE!

perhaps if you listed down the jobs they will be doing, someone can offer cheaper alternatives.
for example.. it might be cheaper to buy a new crankshaft than to have yours machined..
or, it might be cheaper to buy a surplus engine, than have yours fixed!
good luck,sir.

[miko101130]

Our car is a 2007 Toyota Avanza G 1.5 AT Engine. I have been busy in the province since early this year and I forgot to have the oil changed. Last week, my son was driving the car when the dashboard indicator light for the oil lit up. However, he did not know what it meant so drive on pa rin siya until kumatok na nga ang engine dahil natuyo na ang engine oil. Upon consulting with a shop and other knowledgeable friends, the conclusion was that an engine overhaul was needed. So I had the car towed (flatbed) to a friend's shop and when the engine was brought down and disassembled, they cleaned it and told me to bring it to a machine shop. According to them, the machine shop will determine which parts would be needed to be replaced and what parts could be salvaged. They would also be doing other things required for the overhaul.

I brought the engine to a machine shop near our house and the estimate they gave me amounted to almost P46K!!! This was only for the works that they would be doing and excluded the cost of the parts to be bought.

Ganito ba talaga ang gastos ng engine overhaul??? Can you recommend me a cheaper, but reliable machine shop? PLS. PM ME... Ang location ko is near west Ave. in Quezon City. Tomorrow, I will be going to another machine shop located at Roosevelt Ave. near the corner of Quezon Ave. to compare the work needed to be done and their costs.

FYI, the shop I initially consulted with (also near our place) told me their labor would be a flat rate of P17k, and that the machine shop cost would be around P10k and cost of parts would depend on the condition of the engine pag binaba na at dinismantle. Rough estimate nila was a total cost of around P50k.

PLEASE HELP GUYS, I NEED YOUR ADVICE!!!

THANKS IN ADVANCE!

hindi pa naman naibaba ang engine at nabubuksan loob. you won't know the true extent of the damage unless you tear it down.

kung damaged na ang internal parts mo, wala nang need pa i-pa machine shop yung repalceable parts. papalitan mu yan.

the machine shop will usually revolve around the valves, and crankshaft area.

ang bulk of work will be the overhaul in the car shop. sila mag tatangal at magbabalik ng lahat.

mag canvas ka muna nang MAIN BEARING/THRUST WASHER/ OVERHAULING GASKET SET/CYLINDER HEAD BOLT ETC.....

first canvas ka muna mga probable parts to be repalced, then hanap ka shop na matino at reliable trabaho ( isang gawaan at bukasan lang) , then
pabaklas mo engine mo, tignan ano extent damage, then saka mo masisigurado ang singil ng machine shop by that time. and mas definite na ang price na aabutin mo sa total work.

[yellahfellah]

hindi pa naman naibaba ang engine at nabubuksan loob. you won't know the true extent of the damage unless you tear it down.

kung damaged na ang internal parts mo, wala nang need pa i-pa machine shop yung repalceable parts. papalitan mu yan.

the machine shop will usually revolve around the valves, and crankshaft area.

ang bulk of work will be the overhaul in the car shop. sila mag tatangal at magbabalik ng lahat.

mag canvas ka muna nang MAIN BEARING/THRUST WASHER/ OVERHAULING GASKET SET/CYLINDER HEAD BOLT ETC.....

first canvas ka muna mga probable parts to be repalced, then hanap ka shop na matino at reliable trabaho ( isang gawaan at bukasan lang) , then
pabaklas mo engine mo, tignan ano extent damage, then saka mo masisigurado ang singil ng machine shop by that time. and mas definite na ang price na aabutin mo sa total work.

Sir miko101130, naibaba na po ang makina at dinala ko na nga sa machine shop and they gave me nga a job quotation which i already attached. If you will analyze the job quotation, you will note the parts to be replaced and also the parts which will need to be machined. Based on that, you can also surmise/conclude the extent of the damage. Hindi po ako maalam sa mechanical engines, but i know that most car enthusiasts can understand and analyze the attached job quotation and form an opinion based on it. Hopefully, you can, too...

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hindi pa naman naibaba ang engine at nabubuksan loob. you won't know the true extent of the damage unless you tear it down.

kung damaged na ang internal parts mo, wala nang need pa i-pa machine shop yung repalceable parts. papalitan mu yan.

the machine shop will usually revolve around the valves, and crankshaft area.

ang bulk of work will be the overhaul in the car shop. sila mag tatangal at magbabalik ng lahat.

mag canvas ka muna nang MAIN BEARING/THRUST WASHER/ OVERHAULING GASKET SET/CYLINDER HEAD BOLT ETC.....

first canvas ka muna mga probable parts to be repalced, then hanap ka shop na matino at reliable trabaho ( isang gawaan at bukasan lang) , then
pabaklas mo engine mo, tignan ano extent damage, then saka mo masisigurado ang singil ng machine shop by that time. and mas definite na ang price na aabutin mo sa total work.

Sir miko101130, naibaba na po ang makina at dinala ko na nga sa machine shop and they gave me nga a job quotation which i already attached. If you will analyze the job quotation, you will note the parts to be replaced and also the parts which will need to be machined. Based on that, you can also surmise/conclude the extent of the damage. Hindi po ako maalam sa mechanical engines, but i know that most car enthusiasts can understand and analyze the attached job quotation and form an opinion based on it. Hopefully, you can, too...

[rey752]

Sir try to call Shurfit Incorporated.the shop is located at Potrero Malabon,along Mc Arthur Highway lang sya.before naka pag pa machine shop kami sakanila ng engine pero alam ko nasa 4 Digit lang price non.pero kami bumibili ng valve seat saka ung base daw.same condition din katok ung engine.pero Toyota 2C-T ung engine na yon naputulan ng timing belt.I dunno kung mas mahal sa Avanza kase for me pareparehas lang silang metal haha.

[dr. d]

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errr... what does "kumatok ang engine" mean?
personally, if the car got home on its own power, that's a relatively good sign.

and yes... things might change for the better or for the worse, once that engine is opened.

btw... is the car insured?

[yellahfellah]

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errr... what does "kumatok ang engine" mean?
personally, if the car got home on its own power, that's a relatively good sign.

and yes... things might change for the better or for the worse, once that engine is opened.

btw... is the car insured?

Nung "kumatok na yung engine", naghanap yung anak ko ng gas station at duon na nila nalaman sa gas station attendant na hindi na dapat nila ibyahe ang sasakyan. Naka-insured naman with Standard Insurance so I availed of their FREE ROADSIDE ASSISTANCE & TOWING from there to our house in QC.

As for what "kumatok ang engine" means, I understand that it is a general term that most car enthusiasts supposedly understand. Personally, it sounds just like that... a knocking sound produced by the engine when it is running. As for its implications, kelangan nga ibaba ang makina & i-disassemble to find out the extent of the damage and what parts needs to be replaced. But I assume you already know that. So why ask the question?

[dr. d]

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Nung "kumatok na yung engine", naghanap yung anak ko ng gas station at duon na nila nalaman sa gas station attendant na hindi na dapat nila ibyahe ang sasakyan. Naka-insured naman with Standard Insurance so I availed of their FREE ROADSIDE ASSISTANCE & TOWING from there to our house in QC.

As for what "kumatok ang engine" means, I understand that it is a general term that most car enthusiasts supposedly understand. Personally, it sounds just like that... a knocking sound produced by the engine when it is running. As for its implications, kelangan nga ibaba ang makina & i-disassemble to find out the extent of the damage and what parts needs to be replaced. But I assume you already know that. So why ask the question?

no offense meant, but honestly, i do not know what the guy who said it, really meant.
very loosely, it can mean "there's something wrong with the engine", or, literally, the engine is making strange knocking sounds.. and we all know that can mean so many things to so many people to so many engines..
it can mean something as minor as pre-ignition brought about by mal-adjusted ignition timing or engine overheating, or a broken valve ice-picking its way thru the engine block or head..

[yellahfellah]

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no offense meant, but honestly, i do not know what the guy who said it, really meant.
very loosely, it can mean "there's something wrong with the engine", or, literally, the engine is making strange knocking sounds.. and we all know that can mean so many things to so many people to so many engines..
it can mean something as minor as pre-ignition brought about by mal-adjusted ignition timing or engine overheating, or a broken valve ice-picking its way thru the engine block or head..

Sir dr. d, i think it is obvious naman po when "kumatok ang engine" is mentioned in the same paragraph as "the dashboard indicator light for the oil lit up", that more-or-less alam nyo na po kung anong nangyari... I am looking for some help po and do not need people to nitpick my post. i believe i have posted a lot of info already on my problem and hopefully you guys can sift through it to get a good idea as to the extent of damage on our engine. Ayaw ko po makipag pilosopohan sa inyo dahil ang kailangan ko po ay ang tulong ninyo in terms of suggestions as to where to go or what to do, etc.

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no offense meant, but honestly, i do not know what the guy who said it, really meant.
very loosely, it can mean "there's something wrong with the engine", or, literally, the engine is making strange knocking sounds.. and we all know that can mean so many things to so many people to so many engines..
it can mean something as minor as pre-ignition brought about by mal-adjusted ignition timing or engine overheating, or a broken valve ice-picking its way thru the engine block or head..

Sir dr. d, i think it is obvious naman po when "kumatok ang engine" is mentioned in the same paragraph as "the dashboard indicator light for the oil lit up", that more-or-less alam nyo na po kung anong nangyari... I am looking for some help po and do not need people to nitpick my post. i believe i have posted a lot of info already on my problem and hopefully you guys can sift through it to get a good idea as to the extent of damage on our engine. Ayaw ko po makipag pilosopohan sa inyo dahil ang kailangan ko po ay ang tulong ninyo in terms of suggestions as to where to go or what to do, etc.

[yellahfellah]

Sir try to call Shurfit Incorporated.the shop is located at Potrero Malabon,along Mc Arthur Highway lang sya.before naka pag pa machine shop kami sakanila ng engine pero alam ko nasa 4 Digit lang price non.pero kami bumibili ng valve seat saka ung base daw.same condition din katok ung engine.pero Toyota 2C-T ung engine na yon naputulan ng timing belt.I dunno kung mas mahal sa Avanza kase for me pareparehas lang silang metal haha.

sir rey752, thanks po for your suggestion. I will go there tomorrow with our engine and get a job estimate from them...

[mda]

Suggestion is to get an estimate from Toyota also.

[yellahfellah]

Suggestion is to get an estimate from Toyota also.

Sir mda, bakit po sa Toyota? To get the maximum possible charge? Or to get the list of items to be bought & repaired (sort of a baseline to compare with others)? Mahal po kasi ang charge nila just for the estimate, and mabagal po sila kumilos kasi...

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Suggestion is to get an estimate from Toyota also.

Sir mda, bakit po sa Toyota? To get the maximum possible charge? Or to get the list of items to be bought & repaired (sort of a baseline to compare with others)? Mahal po kasi ang charge nila just for the estimate, and mabagal po sila kumilos kasi...

[mda]

Sir mda, bakit po sa Toyota? To get the maximum possible charge? Or to get the list of items to be bought & repaired (sort of a baseline to compare with others)? Mahal po kasi ang charge nila just for the estimate, and mabagal po sila kumilos kasi...

In my opinion sir, it is for these things:
1. The 'casa' has the technology and expertise to check. They may not have the street smart of the local talyer, but they will have a checklist of what to check for problems like this that talyers may miss when they don't notice the symptoms. This is especially important if you yourself are not a car expert. This will at least provide you with a list of items to be bought and repaired as you mentioned.

2. To get the maximum possible charge... and to add, for example if all local talyers will charge me 50k and the casa 55k for what appears to be a MAJOR ENGINE REPAIR, I will go with the casa everytime. This is an exaggerated scenario where the values are very very close together, but you get my point.

3. I don't mind a high charge for the estimate, as this is my car engine I am talking about. The car is about worthless without an engine that runs reliably. If you expect to spend 30k for an engine, an additional 1-2k to diagnose it WELL is not bad.

4. Never really found the Casa slow... when was the last time you visited the casa for major repair? Hehe

If you're going to repair something as critical as your car engine, you might as well do it right diba? Hindi na bali hindi muna magamit for a while...

[GTi]

It will all depend on the parts in need of replacement. Up to what extent was the damage? Top overhaul only or general overhaul?

I had gaskets replacement and radiator overhaul done for the Revo diesel at A1 Car Care Center at Del Monte corner D. Tuazon, QC. So far I am quite satisfied with their work. Price is reasonable too.

[yellahfellah]

Ito po yung quotation ng machine shop. Hopefully, makita ninyo yung mga parts na kelangan palitan and also have a good idea as to the extent of the damage based on the list of works to be done.

[dr. d]

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Ito po yung quotation ng machine shop. Hopefully, makita ninyo yung mga parts na kelangan palitan and also have a good idea as to the extent of the damage based on the list of works to be done.

that's a de cajon shopping list.. i'm not sure if all that will be needed; neither am i sure that the problem can be remedied by these..
and they did not itemize.. you know.. item vis a vis price.

[yellahfellah]

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that's a de cajon shopping list.. i'm not sure if all that will be needed; neither am i sure that the problem can be remedied by these..
and they did not itemize.. you know.. item vis a vis price.

Sir dr. d, if you will review the attached image of the job quotation again, you will see that this list was made just for our engine and according to the machine shop, these are the jobs that they will be doing on our engine. And if you analyze further you can note what parts will be replaced (/bought) and which parts can be salvaged but with some machining work to be done. which is precisely why i attached it in the first place.

I edited out the price detail upon the request of the machine shop owner.

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that's a de cajon shopping list.. i'm not sure if all that will be needed; neither am i sure that the problem can be remedied by these..
and they did not itemize.. you know.. item vis a vis price.

Sir dr. d, if you will review the attached image of the job quotation again, you will see that this list was made just for our engine and according to the machine shop, these are the jobs that they will be doing on our engine. And if you analyze further you can note what parts will be replaced (/bought) and which parts can be salvaged but with some machining work to be done. which is precisely why i attached it in the first place.

I edited out the price detail upon the request of the machine shop owner.

[SkyFlakes88]

How about getting a second opinion sir. Try nyo po ito domeng (0916) 331 7722 he does home service just schedule with him. He will overhaul your engine kahit sa house nyo basta may space kayo and you will see everything being done to your engine and also the parts that goes into it. Highly recommend him. Former saudi mechanic. Honest guy. Hope this helps sir ty

[yellahfellah]

How about getting a second opinion sir. Try nyo po ito domeng (0916) 331 7722 he does home service just schedule with him. He will overhaul your engine kahit sa house nyo basta may space kayo and you will see everything being done to your engine and also the parts that goes into it. Highly recommend him. Former saudi mechanic. Honest guy. Hope this helps sir ty

Sir SkyFlakes88, thank you po for your suggestion! Does he have his own shop? Although it would be cheaper to have things done here at home, I would prefer that the overhauling be done at the mechanic's shop.

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How about getting a second opinion sir. Try nyo po ito domeng (0916) 331 7722 he does home service just schedule with him. He will overhaul your engine kahit sa house nyo basta may space kayo and you will see everything being done to your engine and also the parts that goes into it. Highly recommend him. Former saudi mechanic. Honest guy. Hope this helps sir ty

Sir SkyFlakes88, thank you po for your suggestion! Does he have his own shop? Although it would be cheaper to have things done here at home, I would prefer that the overhauling be done at the mechanic's shop.

[SkyFlakes88]

Sir SkyFlakes88, thank you po for your suggestion! Does he have his own shop? Although it would be cheaper to have things done here at home, I would prefer that the overhauling be done at the mechanic's shop.

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Sir SkyFlakes88, thank you po for your suggestion! Does he have his own shop? Although it would be cheaper to have things done here at home, I would prefer that the overhauling be done at the mechanic's shop.

Wala sir formal shop.he lives near our place in cavite. Been our mechanic since i can remember. He is usually in metro mla. During weekdays and in cavite on weekends. He has already lots of clients in mla. Ayaw na kasi bumalik sa saudi saka mamasukan kaya ganun na lang ginawa nya. I have seen him work on a porsche,benz,rovers and other euro cars here also. Everything is under the sun. You buy the parts if you like and he'll just replace it on your car or give him the money and he'll buy it for you with receipts of course. I never had any problems with his work on our cars. Sometimes there are back jobs but it's mostly because of fake parts. Other than that he usually gets the job done with no issues sir

He'll diagnose your car and give you his recommendations also the parts needed be replaced or not. In my experience with him sometimes i'm on a budget mode and he'll recommend this brand of parts and give me his opinion on the lifespan of the part. Then he lets me decide on how to proceed. Don't be shy to ask questions sir. He'll gladly answer and give you his opinion.