Mineral , semi synthetic or fully synthetic?

[nivraarvin]

Brothers, anyone who have used the oil below? Its 0w20. Okay daw for new engines. for some reason am still not convinced. hehehe!

For brand new cars or cars that has no history of overheating pwede. Also, pag econo drive ka lang palagi.

For older cars that may run hotter engine temperatures, pinaka safe ang w40.

Pag nag overheat ang kotse tapos w20 or w30, the oil will become very thin(during the time na nag overheat) and baka magka magka damage ang engine.

[Chikselog]

Pasimple rin tong Honda ah. Malamang pag maraming bumili ng 0w20 and stick to it, mas maaga masisira makina nila, therefore sugod sa casa para ipagawa. Tsktsk.

[bayen]

Pasimple rin tong Honda ah. Malamang pag maraming bumili ng 0w20 and stick to it, mas maaga masisira makina nila, therefore sugod sa casa para ipagawa. Tsktsk.

hahaha! and as far as i know hindi idemitsu yung may gawa nung new oil na yun ng honda. although ILSAC rating nya is GF-4 na, not bad. API- SN na din sya.
reading the description of ILSAC rating GF-4, it sounds great on paper, but then again very hard to get convinced due to existing belief. the thinnest i would possibly go on oil is a w30, anything lesser than that my subconscious mind is telling me that engine protection will get compromised, despite how many times i read the product description.

i tried looking for the PDS of the new 0w20 oil, cant find any, if anyone has it, please feel free to post it.

for now i think i'll stick with tried and tested Baldwin Filter + any of the following
RP, DGU, TOP 1 SDO, Mobil 1, Mobil Delvac MX, Mobil 1 TDT.

[d_mac]

whats the cheapest way to maintain an engine? in Petrol or Diesel engine?
what particular brand do you use?

synthetic? 10kms interval change oil

semi / mineral? 5kms interval change oil

Fully-synthetic is better than mineral-base engine oil in general.

Also, some parameters to consider aside from what type of synthetics they are (say PAO or Ester) and other than the indicative oil grade written either as 5W-40, 0W-30, SAE 40, 15W-40, 10W-30 in the outside label are the following:

1. True oil weights based on varying kinematic viscosities at different temperature range, where the higher viscosity index is better as the oil's viscosity doesn't change that much at high and low temp range;
2. Additives; and
3. For diesels, most importantly to deal with the oxidation of sulphur in the fuel after combustion, the number of available alkaline ingredients (Total Base Number) for neutralisation.

The indicated oil grade provided in the oil canister can only do so much, the true weight of the oil lies on its kinematic viscosity properties that one can see only from the product specification sheet. Some folks even have their purchased oil analysed using ASTM standards.

While i prefer the ester-types in my motorbikes, and i have used the ester Motul 5W-40 Specific-CRDi oil for my diesels in the past, however, i have shifted to Mobil 1 Delvac Gold 5W-40 for the same diesels due to the fact that it satisfies all the parameters above. But i would also love to test some Amsoil engine oils for diesels and some other brands of ester-base oils.

Good luck in your choices chief.

Cheers!

[Chikselog]

^That's why it pays off to read and research online. I read this thread 2 days ago from page 1. All worth it. Thanks to you guys.

[Retz]

Check your car manufacturer's recommended oil viscosity grade kung pasok ang 20.

[ronki]

Nabasa ko yung 11 chapters ng motor oil 101 sa bobistheoilguy.com

ang sabi nila, 90% ng engine wear eh nasa pag start ng kotse, so dapat daw mas malabnaw ang langis mas maganda.

Kumbaga ang naintindihan kong conclusion eh ganito

Mas ok ang malabnaw na langis kumpara sa malapot, kasi pag malapot xW-50, matagal pa bago lumabnaw para sa optimal viscosity para ma abot yung engine parts sa startup.

Ang pinaka ok daw eh ang mga xW-30, then yung xW-40, in some cases.

Ang advantage lang daw ng mga FS na xW-20 eh kung madalas ka lang na short trip, yung tipong gagamitin mo kotse, patay makina, matagal ulet bago buksan, then andar ulet. Lamang ka dun sa sinasabing 90% of engine wear is at start up. Pero syempre kung madalas ka ba-byahe, hindi natin masabi diba? Mas protektado ka sa xW-30/40 kumpara sa xW-20 habang nasa byahe...


Correct me if I'm wrong ah, medyo antok nako nung binasa ko yun eh haha...

[nivraarvin]

Nabasa ko yung 11 chapters ng motor oil 101 sa bobistheoilguy.com

ang sabi nila, 90% ng engine wear eh nasa pag start ng kotse, so dapat daw mas malabnaw ang langis mas maganda.

Kumbaga ang naintindihan kong conclusion eh ganito

Mas ok ang malabnaw na langis kumpara sa malapot, kasi pag malapot xW-50, matagal pa bago lumabnaw para sa optimal viscosity para ma abot yung engine parts sa startup.

Ang pinaka ok daw eh ang mga xW-30, then yung xW-40, in some cases.

Ang advantage lang daw ng mga FS na xW-20 eh kung madalas ka lang na short trip, yung tipong gagamitin mo kotse, patay makina, matagal ulet bago buksan, then andar ulet. Lamang ka dun sa sinasabing 90% of engine wear is at start up. Pero syempre kung madalas ka ba-byahe, hindi natin masabi diba? Mas protektado ka sa xW-30/40 kumpara sa xW-20 habang nasa byahe...

Correct me if I'm wrong ah, medyo antok nako nung binasa ko yun eh haha...

0w40 is better than 5w20 at start up.

0w will have a lower viscosity than 5w at 0 degrees celcius. We can safely assume that it will still be the case at tropical temperatures, though the difference may be smaller. But still, 0w40 will flow better than 5w20 at "start up".

[calix0305]

0w40 is better than 5w20 at start up.

0w will have a lower viscosity than 5w at 0 degrees celcius. We can safely assume that it will still be the case at tropical temperatures, though the difference may be smaller. But still, 0w40 will flow better than 5w20 at "start up".

does the 0 degree Celsius apply to a tropical country like Ph? siguro kahit month of December or January which is the coldest in Ph, your engine will not attain 0 degree Celsius in the morning before staring it.

[miko101130]

Nabasa ko yung 11 chapters ng motor oil 101 sa bobistheoilguy.com

ang sabi nila, 90% ng engine wear eh nasa pag start ng kotse, so dapat daw mas malabnaw ang langis mas maganda.

Kumbaga ang naintindihan kong conclusion eh ganito

Mas ok ang malabnaw na langis kumpara sa malapot, kasi pag malapot xW-50, matagal pa bago lumabnaw para sa optimal viscosity para ma abot yung engine parts sa startup.

Ang pinaka ok daw eh ang mga xW-30, then yung xW-40, in some cases.

Ang advantage lang daw ng mga FS na xW-20 eh kung madalas ka lang na short trip, yung tipong gagamitin mo kotse, patay makina, matagal ulet bago buksan, then andar ulet. Lamang ka dun sa sinasabing 90% of engine wear is at start up. Pero syempre kung madalas ka ba-byahe, hindi natin masabi diba? Mas protektado ka sa xW-30/40 kumpara sa xW-20 habang nasa byahe...


Correct me if I'm wrong ah, medyo antok nako nung binasa ko yun eh haha...

the best oil would be a FS 0W-40... problem is mahal ito... dahil fully synthetic lang ang pwede magka 0W, and yet weight 40 siya.. kaya 0W-40...
so dahil mahal siya other alternatives will come to play like 10W-40 and 15W-40....

There is minimal difference between the viscosity of 10w and 15w...
basically sir parang ganito ang final outcome

if kaya budget mo, the best is a 0W-40 oil!... like MOBIL 1 fully synthetic
if hindi kaya budget then you have to have some sacrifices, you will go to the cheaper one which is 10W-40 and 15W-40....
kaso they don't fully FLOW and circulate agad for the first 6 seconds on morning starts...

so the best way is that "if you are using 10W-40 and 15W-40, idle it up without load for just less than 1 minute during morning starts... then you're good to go"

no harm done to your engine... and possibly to your pocket...hehehehe...

[ronki]

Hehe, gawain ko na yun na few minutes bago umandar, mahirap na.

Salamat sa correction!

[Chikselog]

Ampusa yung Mobil 1 na FS 0W40 P930/1L sa Ace. Ang mahal pala talaga hahaha.

[Retz]

Ampusa yung Mobil 1 na FS 0W40 P930/1L sa Ace. Ang mahal pala talaga hahaha.

mahal talaga sa Ace baka sa ibang dealer Php800+ lang,

[number001]

Ace is always overpriced. [rant] When they saw me on their little CCTV canvassing (writing on my notebook) the prices of different oils on their shelves, they had a security guard escort me to their manager to explain to them what I'm doing. Jeez WTF. Do they seriously think that every shopper that enters their door will pay the price that they dictate without shopping around. So I never buy from Ace ever. [/rant]

I purchased US import (silver cap/body) of Mobil 1 0W-40 (European Car Formula in N. America) from a seller in sulit for 600/quart. Cheaper and better than those being sold in Ace (gold cap/body/made in singapore or elsewhere).

[number001]

Prices in Ace is always higher.

rant

There was one time I was shopping at Ace MOA. With so many jugs of oils on display (brands, types, viscosity and prices), I'm not a computer so I needed to jot down the barrage of info onto my notebook. They saw what I was doing (jotting on my notebook) in their little CCTV, So they sent out a security guard to escort me to their store manager for interrogation and explain to them who am I and what am I doing. Talk about extreme paranoia.

rant


Anyway, I ended up buying from s_lit (for some reason this forum censors this word or anything pertaining to the buy and sell website). Mobil 1 0W-40 European Formula in N. America. All silver packaging and made in USA. Php 600/quart. The one in Ace is almost 50% more and its made in singapore (gold packaging).

[Chikselog]

Prices in Ace is always higher.

rant

There was one time I was shopping at Ace MOA. With so many jugs of oils on display (brands, types, viscosity and prices), I'm not a computer so I needed to jot down the barrage of info onto my notebook. They saw what I was doing (jotting on my notebook) in their little CCTV, So they sent out a security guard to escort me to their store manager for interrogation and explain to them who am I and what am I doing. Talk about extreme paranoia.

rant


Anyway, I ended up buying from s_lit (for some reason this forum censors this word or anything pertaining to the buy and sell website). Mobil 1 0W-40 European Formula in N. America. All silver packaging and made in USA. Php 600/quart. The one in Ace is almost 50% more and its made in singapore (gold packaging).

Ano pong pinagkaiba nung European Formula compared from the one made in Singapore (gold)?

[miko101130]

Prices in Ace is always higher.

rant

There was one time I was shopping at Ace MOA. With so many jugs of oils on display (brands, types, viscosity and prices), I'm not a computer so I needed to jot down the barrage of info onto my notebook. They saw what I was doing (jotting on my notebook) in their little CCTV, So they sent out a security guard to escort me to their store manager for interrogation and explain to them who am I and what am I doing. Talk about extreme paranoia.

rant


Anyway, I ended up buying from s_lit (for some reason this forum censors this word or anything pertaining to the buy and sell website). Mobil 1 0W-40 European Formula in N. America. All silver packaging and made in USA. Php 600/quart. The one in Ace is almost 50% more and its made in singapore (gold packaging).

Hahaha.. Katuwa naman yung experience mo.hehehe... This reminds me, dati nag jot down din me ng price ng mga oils sa notebook, then yung tinatanungan kong tindahan parang nagdududa na talaga sakin, feeling niya espiya ako of some sort sa tindahan nya na competitors nya.. Wahaha...

[Chikselog]

Hehe yup. Pero I mean pricey pala talaga kapag 0W40. Kala ko nasa around P600 per liter sya.

[Retz]

^

kung Php600/Li ang hanap mo mag Motul ka.

[miko101130]

ang kunat kasi talaga nung 0W-40 na FS ng mobil...

12 TBN, tapos taas ng viscosity index, lahat ng ok na characteristics ng oil nilagay na ata doon eh...

kaya pricey talaga...factory fill ka ba naman ng GTR at mga porsche