Mineral , semi synthetic or fully synthetic?

[Papajamba]

Just found out na at least CI-4 rating na pala ang Petron Revx x400-800 diesel oils!
Next time diretso na sa Petron car care center ang pms ko and revx oils na lang for my GS and MS. Dala na lang ako ng sarilin oil filter.


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[bloowolf]

I use Hyundai FS 10w30 ci-4 for my daily driven Accent crdi & Kixx PAO C3 5w40 for my Kia Sportage all paired with original oil filters. I previously used Cyclon TDI C3 5w40.


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[babkalakal]

question lang mga ka tsikot. ano mga cj-4 na easily available at reasonable ang price na diesel oil sa atin? delo mgx400 lang nakita ko swak.

isuzu nmr with dpf kasi. 4jj1-hd makina. nabasa ko recommended 15w-40 cj-4 low saps oil. sa pagka intindi ko acea e9 at c1 ang pwede. salamat

[Papajamba]

question lang mga ka tsikot. ano mga cj-4 na easily available at reasonable ang price na diesel oil sa atin? delo mgx400 lang nakita ko swak.

isuzu nmr with dpf kasi. 4jj1-hd makina. nabasa ko recommended 15w-40 cj-4 low saps oil. sa pagka intindi ko acea e9 at c1 ang pwede. salamat

Petron rev-x oils are CJ-4 rated. Suitable for dpf fitted vehicles.


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[gearhead000]

Anyone recently bought Hyundai xteer ultra gasoline oil? Is it now API SP because last year when I bought it is still API SN.

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The Hyundai Xteer piqued my interest when I was searching for my next oil change candidate.
So far halos siya na pinakamura na nakita ko na 100% synthetic even among the VHVI based oils.
Yung Ultra Protection variant nila na API SP/GF6 na can ba had for only Php1,160/Gal.

But I had my cynical eye given the unbelievable price point so I searched a little further.
It almost ticked the most important boxes save for my reservation at its VI (157) and TBN of 6.9.
Well, not bad. It's still good for the regular 6 mos. or 5,000km OCI, but doing the math parang di rin nakakatipid.
I do extended OCIs at 1 year so switching will add up to 2,000+ for oil plus 2 filters plus 2 service charge.
So back to TGMO 5w30 API SP for me with VI of 173 and TBN of 9.0, just what I need for my extended OCI.

Truth be told, mahihilo ka ngayon sa dami ng available brands sa mga online shops.
My only reservation is kung hindi man outright na fake, ilan kaya ang mga dubious manufacturers?
Dagdag mo pa ang mga misleading labels, like claiming "synthetic" when it could be a blend.
Not that I'm expecting PAO based oils at less than 1.5k, as pwede na ako sa mga VHVI oils for my uses.

[_Qwerty_]

madami talagang fake ngayon.. so ako i rather pay a little more sa casa... hindi naman ganon kalaki ang deprensya kung change oil lang and I only use regular oil.. basta regular change every 6 months..

The Hyundai Xteer piqued my interest when I was searching for my next oil change candidate.
So far halos siya na pinakamura na nakita ko na 100% synthetic even among the VHVI based oils.
Yung Ultra Protection variant nila na API SP/GF6 na can ba had for only Php1,160/Gal.

But I had my cynical eye given the unbelievable price point so I searched a little further.
It almost ticked the most important boxes save for my reservation at its VI (157) and TBN of 6.9.
Well, not bad. It's still good for the regular 6 mos. or 5,000km OCI, but doing the math parang di rin nakakatipid.
I do extended OCIs at 1 year so switching will add up to 2,000+ for oil plus 2 filters plus 2 service charge.
So back to TGMO 5w30 API SP for me with VI of 173 and TBN of 9.0, just what I need for my extended OCI.

Truth be told, mahihilo ka ngayon sa dami ng available brands sa mga online shops.
My only reservation is kung hindi man outright na fake, ilan kaya ang mga dubious manufacturers?
Dagdag mo pa ang mga misleading labels, like claiming "synthetic" when it could be a blend.
Not that I'm expecting PAO based oils at less than 1.5k, as pwede na ako sa mga VHVI oils for my uses.

[papi smith]

madami talagang fake ngayon.. so ako i rather pay a little more sa casa... hindi naman ganon kalaki ang deprensya kung change oil lang and I only use regular oil.. basta regular change every 6 months..

Exactly, sa casa 1900 ata ang full package using Honda genuine regular oil, if I use the Hyundai xteer na ipagpalagay na natin na hindi fake but "mislabeled" regular oil din plus buy outside ng oil filter, crush washer plus labor, ganun din ang cost. The difference lies in the level of "convenience" or how much you value your time.

Change oil outside will just take you 30 minutes. Sa casa, ung guaranteed "quick" nila is 1 hour, and that starts after you wait in line for 1 hour for your service to be processed.

The same goes for carwash, which is why I wash my car myself.

[_Qwerty_]

laki na nga nang tinaas nang Honda.. dati 1255 lang yang regular oil package for out of warranty pms..

Exactly, sa casa 1900 ata ang full package using Honda genuine regular oil, if I use the Hyundai xteer na ipagpalagay na natin na hindi fake but "mislabeled" regular oil din plus buy outside ng oil filter, crush washer plus labor, ganun din ang cost. The difference lies in the level of "convenience" or how much you value your time.

Change oil outside will just take you 30 minutes. Sa casa, ung guaranteed "quick" nila is 1 hour, and that starts after you wait in line for 1 hour for your service to be processed.

The same goes for carwash, which is why I wash my car myself.

[yapoy86]

The Hyundai Xteer piqued my interest when I was searching for my next oil change candidate.
So far halos siya na pinakamura na nakita ko na 100% synthetic even among the VHVI based oils.
Yung Ultra Protection variant nila na API SP/GF6 na can ba had for only Php1,160/Gal.

But I had my cynical eye given the unbelievable price point so I searched a little further.
It almost ticked the most important boxes save for my reservation at its VI (157) and TBN of 6.9.
Well, not bad. It's still good for the regular 6 mos. or 5,000km OCI, but doing the math parang di rin nakakatipid.
I do extended OCIs at 1 year so switching will add up to 2,000+ for oil plus 2 filters plus 2 service charge.
So back to TGMO 5w30 API SP for me with VI of 173 and TBN of 9.0, just what I need for my extended OCI.

Truth be told, mahihilo ka ngayon sa dami ng available brands sa mga online shops.
My only reservation is kung hindi man outright na fake, ilan kaya ang mga dubious manufacturers?
Dagdag mo pa ang mga misleading labels, like claiming "synthetic" when it could be a blend.
Not that I'm expecting PAO based oils at less than 1.5k, as pwede na ako sa mga VHVI oils for my uses.

kung regular OCI naman, ok na din yan cheapest hyundai xteer.. also sa online, meron sellers na matagal na dun at subok na legit binebenta..

yung zic mura lang din dati pero now medyo mahal na.. yung motorcraft may nagsabi sa akin na may fake at orig daw.. magkaiba yung lagayan eh..

dami bago oils now.. ac delco, GM.. pati aisin at prestone may oil line up na din

[babkalakal]

kung regular OCI naman, ok na din yan cheapest hyundai xteer.. also sa online, meron sellers na matagal na dun at subok na legit binebenta..

yung zic mura lang din dati pero now medyo mahal na.. yung motorcraft may nagsabi sa akin na may fake at orig daw.. magkaiba yung lagayan eh..

dami bago oils now.. ac delco, GM.. pati aisin at prestone may oil line up na din

same observation with zic. nagmahal na nga. yung Kixx is not much better compared sa price ka level na din ng Zic

[gearhead000]

Nakupo, almost 4,000 na pala. Hanap na lang talaga ng viable alternative. So check you usage.
Kung pamalengke at panghatid lang ng mga bata saka office visits (WFH pa karamihan) baka di kailangan ng premium oils.
Actually, kahit yung mga highways natin eh restricted lang tayo to 100kph, then di rin naman kalayuan at just 300km or so.

same observation with zic. nagmahal na nga. yung Kixx is not much better compared sa price ka level na din ng Zic

I'm just beginning to understand that these 'cheap' Zic, Hyundai, etc. "fully/ 100% synthetic" engine oils are mostly from VHVI base oils.
That is, unlike yung mga PAO or Group IV base oils, these are Group II/ Group III hydrocracked oils to have those PAO characteristics.
So tanggap ko rin na sa mga usual use case scenario sa atin, these can already offer enough protection better than mineral oils.
You get the benefits of pure synthetic oils (up to a point), at a mineral or semi-synthetic oil price point.

But then I can also understand the others who chose to pay for their peace of mind.

[gearhead000]

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Ako sa gasoline station lang din nagpapa-change oil, although parang independent contractor siya doon dahil may sariling diskarte.
Mekaniko siya na may ilang alalay lang. Kaya tumatanggap din siya ng may sariling dala na oil change package kahit it is discouraged. ;-)
At least walang waiting time. Kapag dumating ako sa umaga na may nakasalang, balik na lang ako ng hapon o kinabukasan.

laki na nga nang tinaas nang Honda.. dati 1255 lang yang regular oil package for out of warranty pms..

So sa 3,305 na fully synthetic package ng casa, mas tipid pa rin ng konti yung mag-source ka ng preferred oil mo.
Kung gusto mo you can opt din na plug n play na lang kung baga gaya ng offered sa mga gas stations.
For example mas mura na gaya nung sa UniOil gamit ay Idemitsu FS which is yung source ni Honda rin.

kung regular OCI naman, ok na din yan cheapest hyundai xteer.. also sa online, meron sellers na matagal na dun at subok na legit binebenta..

yung zic mura lang din dati pero now medyo mahal na.. yung motorcraft may nagsabi sa akin na may fake at orig daw.. magkaiba yung lagayan eh..

dami bago oils now.. ac delco, GM.. pati aisin at prestone may oil line up na din

I think si Hyundai Xteer is a viable oil alternative na rin kahit sa mga hindi naka-Hyundai.
So far yung nakikita ko naman na mga Hyundai sellers eh mukhang legit naman, or at least yung oil is likely legit.
Sabi nga sa (translated) Russian forum, sa sobrang mura eh hindi na feasible na ipe-fake mo pa.

Base number 6.9mgKOH. It is average. No need to think that this oil will last for long change intervals. This is oil for 200-250 hours in our difficult conditions. If converted to kilometers, it will be somewhere around 5000-7500km.

NOACK mass evaporation at high temperatures = 8.2% - a good result. This oil has a very low waste consumption. If you have an elderly Japanese or Korean who has an expense. Here is a cheap and low-burning oil for you.

According to the viscosity characteristics, everything is mixed correctly. It's really an API standard, ILSAC. Within its class, it is thick and strong. A low viscosity index indicates that there is not a lot of polymer thickener in the oil. That is, Xteer should keep its viscosity well under heavy loads.

Unlike the original oils, there is a big plus. It is rare, not popular and is not faked by anyone. In addition, the price tag is very cheap, you can’t make much on a fake.

Hyundai Xteer Gasoline Ultra Protection 5W-30 API SP - Russia Oil Club Forum

It had been said many times na nga that we're wasting too much oil lalo sa mga gumagamit ng premium ones.
Mostly they were designed for 10k or 20k extended OCIs pero 5k pa lang (or less) eh change oil na kaagad.
As it is, mostly ang nag-dictate din ng OCI eh yung capacity at quality ng oil filter.
(Buti yung sa 9th gen ko ay available yung bigger sized equivalents from Toyota, Baldwin, Donaldson, etc).
Although in every OCI I check my filter and mukhang okay lang siya for that 1-year period.

Like me kung gagamit ako ng 10k or 20k oil ngayon eh in 1 year baka nasa 5k or less lang ako (~100x54 = 5,400km/yr).
Dati nung nag-oopisina pa ako sakto lang sa akin yung 10k or 1-year OCI (30x7x54 = 11,340km/yr).
Eh karamihan ngayon including mga car owners eh naka-WFH so mga low mileage lang in one year.

[_Qwerty_]

those were pre pandemic prices..

eto na ang presyo nang honda ngayon..

Mineral - 2115
Semi - 2805
Fully - 3835

Honda Cars Philippines › All-in Honda Change Oil Packages

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So sa 3,305 na fully synthetic package ng casa, mas tipid pa rin ng konti yung mag-source ka ng preferred oil mo.
Kung gusto mo you can opt din na plug n play na lang kung baga gaya ng offered sa mga gas stations.
For example mas mura na gaya nung sa UniOil gamit ay Idemitsu FS which is yung source ni Honda rin.

[gongrhey]

Saan makakabili ng legit na motorcraft oil/filter para sa ford everest? Alam ko meron sa lazada di ko lang sure kung sino okay na seller. Baka may ma recommend kayo.

[soullinker20]

after using amsoil sa strada so far ok siya sakin compared sa casa oil. quieter and a lot smoother. less noise sa arangkada.
will use the same oil 5w30 naman sa innova hopefully ay ok din.

base sa manual ay pasok din sa requirement:
CF

[babkalakal]

after using amsoil sa strada so far ok siya sakin compared sa casa oil. quieter and a lot smoother. less noise sa arangkada.
will use the same oil 5w30 naman sa innova hopefully ay ok din.

base sa manual ay pasok din sa requirement:
CF

i think its no question that amsoil is one of the better brands out there. ang question lang ay ang presyo it is one of the more expensive ones.

[papi smith]

Based on my experience parang pare pareho lang ang performance ng oil sa car ko. I've tried Mobil 1 FS, Honda Genuine Mineral and a lot of other FS and mineral oils, regardless if they are fake or not, may time talaga na parang magaan ang takbo at meron ding time na para kang may hinihila.

Except one time when I used 20w50, na nabibigatan ako sa hila, I don't know if it's psychological, because everytime I use the car, first thing that goes to my mind is nasilaw ako dahil mura itong Toyota genuine oil only to learn later na mura talaga ang 20w50. But if I press the pedal harder, responsive naman sya.

[Walter]

Maybe performance depends on weather? ...

[Vodka]

full synthetic daw. mura. shows a real API donut so it's officially certified (xteer for example doesn't show the donut)

pero walang acea ratings so it has the same specs as a 10w30 mineral oil like valvoline premium conventional or havoline formula. similar price as these two mineral oil also

[_Qwerty_]

Wala nang Mineral Oil ang Honda.. Semi and FS na lang daw ang choices..