Gear Oil Suggestion

**boybitz** · February 17th, 2003 07:12 PM

TJMaxx, d ba wala talagang tranny oil ang honda. motor oil din daw nilalagay nila e.
ok naman ba yung caltex na tranny oil?

**chieffy** · February 19th, 2003 04:44 PM

guys, for more info punta kayo dito:

read post of sir ramrac re: M/T oil

CALTEX AUTO LUBRICATION GUIDE

HTH

**OTEP** · February 19th, 2003 04:51 PM

I always use Caltex for my Pajero. Front and rear diff, manual tranny and transfer case.

Ayos ba, sipsip kay Chieflly. hehehe. :mrgreen:

**TJMaxx** · February 22nd, 2003 01:12 AM

Yun nga din ang sabi ni Ramrac sa HCP forum na inilalagay
daw pala nila as manual transmission oil ay ordinary
mineral based oil.
Sabi naman sa Owner's manual ng Civic ay puede nga ito
pero temporary lang dapat. "Original" Honda MTF daw ang
dapat ilagay. Na-discuss na rin itong topic na ito among the
gurus sa SuperHonda.com and ang consensus was that
di talaga dapat motor oil ang nilalagay diyan.
Doon naman sa Grid ng Caltex ExpressLube, original MTF
ng Honda ay yun ngang Thuban na Chieffy cited
at yung Havoline 20W/50 ang replacement.
So yan ang issue up for debate ngayon..

**chieffy** · February 23rd, 2003 03:01 PM

[size=15]CALTEX AUTO LUBRICATION GUIDE (CALG)[/size]
NOTE: Below is Caltex Premium Lubricant Recommendation meeting OEM specifications. It is always best to refer to your vehicle service manual.

page 138 of Honda Civic Owner's Manual (HCOM) Third Edition 10/98

CALG and HCOM recommend us to use API Service SG, SH or SJ rated motor oil with a viscosity of SAE 10W-30 or 10W-40...HCOM further states that the tansmission should be drained and refilled with new fluid according to the time and distance recommendations in the maintenance schedule(every 24 months or 40tkm whichever comes first)...ramrac and CALG's recommendations were to use a mineral based engine oil with an SAE 20W-50 due to our countr'y's warmer climate...

you can safely use motor oils as long as the car owner's manual says so...motor oils contain additives that protect metal surfaces namely:
1)rust and corrosion inhibitors - nuetralize acids and seal surfaces againts water
2)anti-wear agents - form a protective oil film over moving parts to reduce friction and wear
3)detergents - keeps the engine free of sludge deposits and prevent carbon build-up
4)dispersants - keep insoluble contaminants scattered
5)demulsifiers - prevent formation of emulsions which are suspensions of oil in water
6)emulsifiers - aid in the suspension of oil in water
7)mild extreme pressure additives(EP) - form an actual chemical bond to the metal surface at high temperatures:for severe loading and sliding conditions

you can also use automotive gear oils:
THUBAN APPLICATIONS
1)Thuban GL-5 EP(extreme pressure) - designed for transmissions and differentials under severe service with shock loading
2)Thuban GL-4 - designed for tranmissions and differentials in severe service without shock loading
*use SAE 90 for light vehicles
*use SAE 140 for trucks and heavy equipment

The types of gears usually found in manual transmissions(often called gearboxes) are spur or helical, which means that the lubrication conditions are not too severe. Some manual transmissions are fitted with yellow metal bushings which are vulnerable to corrosive attack by the sulfur components of high EP gear oil formulations and this is where Thuban GL 4 or Easy Shift should be used.

to know more about API performance designations for GL(gear lubricant) just click on the link below:

read post on API Service Classification

btw, the currrent Havoline Formula has an API rating of SL which exceeds OEM specification for Honda M/T fluids...i hope that this will make things clear...the word TEMPORARY/TEMPORARILY(which i didn't find in the HCOM) can surely mess things up

teka nga gutom na ako....2:15 na pala 8O at di pa ako nagla-lunch

**TJMaxx** · February 25th, 2003 03:33 PM

Thanks for clearing up the matter.
Iba pala yung nakalagay sa
HCOM ko (1st edition 11/95). Allow
me to quote yung nakalagay sa manual:
"...If Honda MTF is not available, you may
use an API service SG or SH rated motor
oil with a viscosity of SAE 10W-30 or
10W-40 temporarily. Motor oil can cause
increased transmission wear and higher
shifting effort."

Apparently, binago na ng Honda yung
stand nila na Honda MTF lang ang pupwede.

Just had my Civic PMSed at Honda Shaw.
Talagang 20W-50 motor oil ang nilalagay
nila sa manual transmission.

Yung Original Honda MTF, meron ba talaga niyan
sa market?

**chieffy** · February 25th, 2003 03:43 PM

TJMaxx, nagulat nga rin ako nung una eh kaya bago ako nagpalit ng gear oil sinigurado ko muna...binalikan ko pa ulit yung module ng Caltex tungkol sa transmission

**ulolin** · February 26th, 2003 09:14 PM

chieffy....... sa summer ito balak ko pagawa sa inyo.........

changeoil
gearoil
undercoat

my car is civic 96, magkano po aabutin?:D

Yung california duster mo magkano? Di ba kahit ndi nacarwash yung sakay eh okay lang! Kayang linisan nyan?:lol:

**chieffy** · February 28th, 2003 06:07 PM

OT.........

ulolin
change oil-depende sa engine oil: Havoline Energy 1 gal = Php 1050 Formula = Php 550,oil filter Php 100-200 (di ko sure)
change oil labor=libre na kita :D

gear oil=Thuban GL 4 SAE 90 1.9 ltrs x Php 95 = Php 180.5

undercoat=Php 1900

CCD combo=Php 1650... this tool is for removing dust...kapag naputikan yung car o nabasa na yung dust eh carwash na kailangan

kung sa sakay naman eh kung katulad ni Maui Taylor o Aubrey Miles, kahit di na gamitan nito ayos lang :twisted:

kung may papapalitan ka pang mechanical parts eh ililibre ko na labor :D
btw, baka magkaroon na rin kami ng aircon service...mit-air trained personnel