oil sludge in toyota altis 2003 engine

[konichiwa888]

Yun Toyota Altis 2003 model 1.6G (automatic) ko po, medyo mga 2 years bago nachange oil, pero sobrang konti ng gamit ko po in those 2 years. Nagkaroon na sya ng namumuong langis sa cover kapag binuksan, sabi ng mechanic hindi na sya makukuha sa flushing. After ng change oil 3 months ago, nabawasan po ng malaki yun langis based doon sa dipstick. Tumatakbo pa po yun sasakyan pero napapansin ko po kapag umaga, kapag malamig ang makina, start ko, medyo maingay yun engine, yun ugong malakas. Kapag nagdrdrive naman po ako, may konting ugong din yun parang tunog ng airplane, medyo mahina lang. Aside from that, wala naman ako ibang napapansin na problem. And also yun oil indicator light hindi po umiilaw kahit na low in oil na po ako.

I asked for the opinion of a friend who knows something about car, and he is recommending me to have the engine undergo a general overhaul para malinis po yun loob ng engine at mapalitan na yun mga nasunog/nasira na parts. Ano pong massuggest nyo sa akin? Kailangan ko na po ba ipa overhaul? Can u guys recommend a shop/talyer who have this service and more or less magkano po ang magagastos ko?

My friend found a shop which offers minimum of 25k for overhaul service, and depende daw ano papalitan sa loob kapag binuksan lang daw bago malalaman, possible na umabot daw ng 50k if madami papalitan. Do you guys think a general overhaul is the solution to my engine problem? And will my engine lasts after the overhaul? How about buying a surplus engine and pachange engine na lang po? I heard medyo mahal at madaming proceso sa pagpalit ng engine, kailangan din po ng bayad sa pagpalit ng engine number sa LTO. Thanks.

[SkyFlakes88]

Yun Toyota Altis 2003 model 1.6G (automatic) ko po, medyo mga 2 years bago nachange oil, pero sobrang konti ng gamit ko po in those 2 years. Nagkaroon na sya ng namumuong langis sa cover kapag binuksan, sabi ng mechanic hindi na sya makukuha sa flushing. After ng change oil 3 months ago, nabawasan po ng malaki yun langis based doon sa dipstick. Tumatakbo pa po yun sasakyan pero napapansin ko po kapag umaga, kapag malamig ang makina, start ko, medyo maingay yun engine, yun ugong malakas. Kapag nagdrdrive naman po ako, may konting ugong din yun parang tunog ng airplane, medyo mahina lang. Aside from that, wala naman ako ibang napapansin na problem. And also yun oil indicator light hindi po umiilaw kahit na low in oil na po ako.

I asked for the opinion of a friend who knows something about car, and he is recommending me to have the engine undergo a general overhaul para malinis po yun loob ng engine at mapalitan na yun mga nasunog/nasira na parts. Ano pong massuggest nyo sa akin? Kailangan ko na po ba ipa overhaul? Can u guys recommend a shop/talyer who have this service and more or less magkano po ang magagastos ko?

My friend found a shop which offers minimum of 25k for overhaul service, and depende daw ano papalitan sa loob kapag binuksan lang daw bago malalaman, possible na umabot daw ng 50k if madami papalitan. Do you guys think a general overhaul is the solution to my engine problem? And will my engine lasts after the overhaul? How about buying a surplus engine and pachange engine na lang po? I heard medyo mahal at madaming proceso sa pagpalit ng engine, kailangan din po ng bayad sa pagpalit ng engine number sa LTO. Thanks.

Why not have your car diagnose by another mechanic just to be safe if your car really needs a general overhauling. But a tita of mine had the same problem also an altis E a/t 04 model. Na general overhaul nga due to sludge. Naibalik naman though i'm not sure how much she spent but i think it's cheaper than 25k. It's also cheaper to overhaul than to change engine. The reason my tita's Altis got sludge was changing oil at 10k intervals. After that it was 5k intervals and did not have the same problems anymore until she sold it. The mechanic (Domeng) i posted in your post at other threads was the one who overhauled it by the way.

[innova2013]

Yun Toyota Altis 2003 model 1.6G (automatic) ko po, medyo mga 2 years bago nachange oil, pero sobrang konti ng gamit ko po in those 2 years. Nagkaroon na sya ng namumuong langis sa cover kapag binuksan, sabi ng mechanic hindi na sya makukuha sa flushing. After ng change oil 3 months ago, nabawasan po ng malaki yun langis based doon sa dipstick. Tumatakbo pa po yun sasakyan pero napapansin ko po kapag umaga, kapag malamig ang makina, start ko, medyo maingay yun engine, yun ugong malakas. Kapag nagdrdrive naman po ako, may konting ugong din yun parang tunog ng airplane, medyo mahina lang. Aside from that, wala naman ako ibang napapansin na problem. And also yun oil indicator light hindi po umiilaw kahit na low in oil na po ako.

I asked for the opinion of a friend who knows something about car, and he is recommending me to have the engine undergo a general overhaul para malinis po yun loob ng engine at mapalitan na yun mga nasunog/nasira na parts. Ano pong massuggest nyo sa akin? Kailangan ko na po ba ipa overhaul? Can u guys recommend a shop/talyer who have this service and more or less magkano po ang magagastos ko?

My friend found a shop which offers minimum of 25k for overhaul service, and depende daw ano papalitan sa loob kapag binuksan lang daw bago malalaman, possible na umabot daw ng 50k if madami papalitan. Do you guys think a general overhaul is the solution to my engine problem? And will my engine lasts after the overhaul? How about buying a surplus engine and pachange engine na lang po? I heard medyo mahal at madaming proceso sa pagpalit ng engine, kailangan din po ng bayad sa pagpalit ng engine number sa LTO. Thanks.

try mo muna sir magpa baba ng oil pan. kasi hindi pa steady yung oil warning lamp mo.

bali ang gagawin ng mechanic, tanggal oil pan, lilinisin yung namuong langis sa oil pan at lilinisin yung oil strainer (gamit carb cleaner para matunaw yung namuong langis, baka kasi barado lang kaya may "oil starvation" na nangyayari kaya may knocking sound)

at makikita din nila kung may sludge talaga sa makina mo o baka barado lang yung oil strainer ng oil pump.

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Yun Toyota Altis 2003 model 1.6G (automatic) ko po, medyo mga 2 years bago nachange oil, pero sobrang konti ng gamit ko po in those 2 years. Nagkaroon na sya ng namumuong langis sa cover kapag binuksan, sabi ng mechanic hindi na sya makukuha sa flushing. After ng change oil 3 months ago, nabawasan po ng malaki yun langis based doon sa dipstick. Tumatakbo pa po yun sasakyan pero napapansin ko po kapag umaga, kapag malamig ang makina, start ko, medyo maingay yun engine, yun ugong malakas. Kapag nagdrdrive naman po ako, may konting ugong din yun parang tunog ng airplane, medyo mahina lang. Aside from that, wala naman ako ibang napapansin na problem. And also yun oil indicator light hindi po umiilaw kahit na low in oil na po ako.

I asked for the opinion of a friend who knows something about car, and he is recommending me to have the engine undergo a general overhaul para malinis po yun loob ng engine at mapalitan na yun mga nasunog/nasira na parts. Ano pong massuggest nyo sa akin? Kailangan ko na po ba ipa overhaul? Can u guys recommend a shop/talyer who have this service and more or less magkano po ang magagastos ko?

My friend found a shop which offers minimum of 25k for overhaul service, and depende daw ano papalitan sa loob kapag binuksan lang daw bago malalaman, possible na umabot daw ng 50k if madami papalitan. Do you guys think a general overhaul is the solution to my engine problem? And will my engine lasts after the overhaul? How about buying a surplus engine and pachange engine na lang po? I heard medyo mahal at madaming proceso sa pagpalit ng engine, kailangan din po ng bayad sa pagpalit ng engine number sa LTO. Thanks.

try mo muna sir magpa baba ng oil pan. kasi hindi pa steady yung oil warning lamp mo.

bali ang gagawin ng mechanic, tanggal oil pan, lilinisin yung namuong langis sa oil pan at lilinisin yung oil strainer (gamit carb cleaner para matunaw yung namuong langis, baka kasi barado lang kaya may "oil starvation" na nangyayari kaya may knocking sound)

at makikita din nila kung may sludge talaga sa makina mo o baka barado lang yung oil strainer ng oil pump.

[SkyFlakes88]

Malamang barado na nang sludge yan buong engine. There are small holes sa loob that oil should pass through. It's best to completely disassemble the engine and assess what needs to be done and replace if any. That's the only way you could really know what kind of work should be done and the cost that goes with it so that you can decide what to do. A surplus engine is already used. It's better to repair your original engine unless you plan to go 1.8 or 2.0 and spend a bit more as there are parts that are also needed to recondition a surplus engine. Will cost more but the upgrade is worth it. Kung same 1.6 lang din i'd rather use my old engine unless yun bore na nya ang may tama and needs to put in liners.

[konichiwa888]

Malamang barado na nang sludge yan buong engine. There are small holes sa loob that oil should pass through. It's best to completely disassemble the engine and assess what needs to be done and replace if any. That's the only way you could really know what kind of work should be done and the cost that goes with it so that you can decide what to do. A surplus engine is already used. It's better to repair your original engine unless you plan to go 1.8 or 2.0 and spend a bit more as there are parts that are also needed to recondition a surplus engine. Will cost more but the upgrade is worth it. Kung same 1.6 lang din i'd rather use my old engine unless yun bore na nya ang may tama and needs to put in liners.

Sir, when you say disassemble the engine para makita kung may oil sludge sa loob. You mean top overhaul only or general overhaul? Thanks.

[SkyFlakes88]

Sir, when you say disassemble the engine para makita kung may oil sludge sa loob. You mean top overhaul only or general overhaul? Thanks.

D po general or top overhauling yan sir. Parang cleaning lang po. Pero depende po kasi sa laman kung may tama yun moving parts lalo na yun bore and pistons/rings e parang general overhauling na po.I suggest these work should be done kasi po i don't believe in short cuts as they may give more headache in the long run. Baka in a few months lang or even less kumatok na nang diretso yan engine mo sir. Paano kung gamit nyo sa malayong lugar at dun kayo masiraan.

Let your engine be dissasembled para malinis lahat and then you can assess the damage if meron. Kung wala reassembly lang and may peace of mind na kayo. I think d naman nasira yan kasi d nyo naman natakbo nang malayo at d naman huminto pr tumirik e. Baka cleaning lang at check mga sensors. Bale overhauling gasket,pang change oil lang siguro bibilhin nyo at yun labor nang mechanic. Since nababa nyo na rin baka yun timing belt or water pump pa check nyo na din. After that you're good to go na po.

[konichiwa888]

D po general or top overhauling yan sir. Parang cleaning lang po. Pero depende po kasi sa laman kung may tama yun moving parts lalo na yun bore and pistons/rings e parang general overhauling na po.I suggest these work should be done kasi po i don't believe in short cuts as they may give more headache in the long run. Baka in a few months lang or even less kumatok na nang diretso yan engine mo sir. Paano kung gamit nyo sa malayong lugar at dun kayo masiraan.

I see. yun didisassemble ang engine at cleaning nagpaquote/estimate ako sa speedyfix, ang binigay na estimate is 20k. dunno if ito yun tukoy nilang process na gagawin. Basta hindi pa daw general overhaul, bubuksan at lininisin pa lang daw sa loob. At kung may mga parts na sira, pwede pa daw tumaas yun price. May natanong naman ako na isa pang shop, they will disassemble the engine and clean it and do general overhaul, estimate is from 25k-50k (50k being the worst case) if madaming kailangan palitan sa loob. Tinawagan ko naman yun isang recommend ng isang member dito na mechanic, he is offering 8k for his labor and handa daw ako 10k for the parts na papalitan. Pero yun mga metal na sira, sarili daw nya imomold, hindi nya idadaan sa machine shop which i think parang medyo feel ko baka magkaproblema. And sabi ng isang friend ko na medyo marunong sa car, kulang daw yun 10k for materials if madaming nasira sa loob ng engine. And hindi daw necessarily na ibababa nya yun engine pwede daw yun dukot lang, dunno what does he mean by that.
Let your engine be dissasembled para malinis lahat and then you can assess the damage if meron. Kung wala reassembly lang and may peace of mind na kayo. I think d naman nasira yan kasi d nyo naman natakbo nang malayo at d naman huminto pr tumirik e. Baka cleaning lang at check mga sensors. Bale overhauling gasket,pang change oil lang siguro bibilhin nyo at yun labor nang mechanic. Since nababa nyo na rin baka yun timing belt or water pump pa check nyo na din. After that you're good to go na po.

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D po general or top overhauling yan sir. Parang cleaning lang po. Pero depende po kasi sa laman kung may tama yun moving parts lalo na yun bore and pistons/rings e parang general overhauling na po.I suggest these work should be done kasi po i don't believe in short cuts as they may give more headache in the long run. Baka in a few months lang or even less kumatok na nang diretso yan engine mo sir. Paano kung gamit nyo sa malayong lugar at dun kayo masiraan.

I see. yun didisassemble ang engine at cleaning nagpaquote/estimate ako sa speedyfix, ang binigay na estimate is 20k. dunno if ito yun tukoy nilang process na gagawin. Basta hindi pa daw general overhaul, bubuksan at lininisin pa lang daw sa loob. At kung may mga parts na sira, pwede pa daw tumaas yun price. May natanong naman ako na isa pang shop, they will disassemble the engine and clean it and do general overhaul, estimate is from 25k-50k (50k being the worst case) if madaming kailangan palitan sa loob. Tinawagan ko naman yun isang recommend ng isang member dito na mechanic, he is offering 8k for his labor and handa daw ako 10k for the parts na papalitan. Pero yun mga metal na sira, sarili daw nya imomold, hindi nya idadaan sa machine shop which i think parang medyo feel ko baka magkaproblema. And sabi ng isang friend ko na medyo marunong sa car, kulang daw yun 10k for materials if madaming nasira sa loob ng engine. And hindi daw necessarily na ibababa nya yun engine pwede daw yun dukot lang, dunno what does he mean by that.
Let your engine be dissasembled para malinis lahat and then you can assess the damage if meron. Kung wala reassembly lang and may peace of mind na kayo. I think d naman nasira yan kasi d nyo naman natakbo nang malayo at d naman huminto pr tumirik e. Baka cleaning lang at check mga sensors. Bale overhauling gasket,pang change oil lang siguro bibilhin nyo at yun labor nang mechanic. Since nababa nyo na rin baka yun timing belt or water pump pa check nyo na din. After that you're good to go na po.

[SkyFlakes88]

I see. yun didisassemble ang engine at cleaning nagpaquote/estimate ako sa speedyfix, ang binigay na estimate is 20k. dunno if ito yun tukoy nilang process na gagawin. Basta hindi pa daw general overhaul, bubuksan at lininisin pa lang daw sa loob. At kung may mga parts na sira, pwede pa daw tumaas yun price. May natanong naman ako na isa pang shop, they will disassemble the engine and clean it and do general overhaul, estimate is from 25k-50k (50k being the worst case) if madaming kailangan palitan sa loob. Tinawagan ko naman yun isang recommend ng isang member dito na mechanic, he is offering 8k for his labor and handa daw ako 10k for the parts na papalitan. Pero yun mga metal na sira, sarili daw nya imomold, hindi nya idadaan sa machine shop which i think parang medyo feel ko baka magkaproblema. And sabi ng isang friend ko na medyo marunong sa car, kulang daw yun 10k for materials if madaming nasira sa loob ng engine. And hindi daw necessarily na ibababa nya yun engine pwede daw yun dukot lang, dunno what does he mean by that.
Let your engine be dissasembled para malinis lahat and then you can assess the damage if meron. Kung wala reassembly lang and may peace of mind na kayo. I think d naman nasira yan kasi d nyo naman natakbo nang malayo at d naman huminto pr tumirik e. Baka cleaning lang at check mga sensors. Bale overhauling gasket,pang change oil lang siguro bibilhin nyo at yun labor nang mechanic. Since nababa nyo na rin baka yun timing belt or water pump pa check nyo na din. After that you're good to go na po.

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I see. yun didisassemble ang engine at cleaning nagpaquote/estimate ako sa speedyfix, ang binigay na estimate is 20k. dunno if ito yun tukoy nilang process na gagawin. Basta hindi pa daw general overhaul, bubuksan at lininisin pa lang daw sa loob. At kung may mga parts na sira, pwede pa daw tumaas yun price. May natanong naman ako na isa pang shop, they will disassemble the engine and clean it and do general overhaul, estimate is from 25k-50k (50k being the worst case) if madaming kailangan palitan sa loob. Tinawagan ko naman yun isang recommend ng isang member dito na mechanic, he is offering 8k for his labor and handa daw ako 10k for the parts na papalitan. Pero yun mga metal na sira, sarili daw nya imomold, hindi nya idadaan sa machine shop which i think parang medyo feel ko baka magkaproblema. And sabi ng isang friend ko na medyo marunong sa car, kulang daw yun 10k for materials if madaming nasira sa loob ng engine. And hindi daw necessarily na ibababa nya yun engine pwede daw yun dukot lang, dunno what does he mean by that.
Let your engine be dissasembled para malinis lahat and then you can assess the damage if meron. Kung wala reassembly lang and may peace of mind na kayo. I think d naman nasira yan kasi d nyo naman natakbo nang malayo at d naman huminto pr tumirik e. Baka cleaning lang at check mga sensors. Bale overhauling gasket,pang change oil lang siguro bibilhin nyo at yun labor nang mechanic. Since nababa nyo na rin baka yun timing belt or water pump pa check nyo na din. After that you're good to go na po.

If you have called our mechanic Domeng then you will know the full report kung may dapat palitan after mabuksan yun makina nyo. Yun 10k i presume pambili nang gaskets. Yun mold na sinasabi nya baka na misunderstood nyo sya. Ask him in detail po kung paano gagawin. But i think walang sira sa loob nyan sir

[innova2013]

nagpa general overhaul ako dati, hindi nga lang sa ZZ engine, almost 30K. OEM toyota overhauling gasket tapos replacement brand na lang sa ibang parts (piston set, piston ring set, bearings, etc...)

balik brand new feel ng engine at fuel consumption. kaso ang sira naman niya ay worn out piston rings at lumuwag na din yung bearing sa connecting rod. para sakin, sulit na sulit sakin yung general overhaul na yun.

yung sainyo kasi sir, sludge, kapag may namuo na nang burnt oil (mala aspalto ito), kahit anong chemical clean o scrape, hindi na itong kayang tanggalin.

kaya sundin mo sir yung advise ng karamihan dito, ipa open mo muna yung makina mo para makita yung extent ng sludge build up sa engine mo, tapos tska ka mag decide after (change engine o general overhaul)

yung change engine at general overhaul hit or miss, kumbaga swertihan.

sa change engine, kapag fresh, swerte, kapag hindi, swerte ng tumagal ng 1 year.

sa overhaul naman, hit or miss din kasi depende sa engine builder mo. pero kung sa reputable builder naman, sure namang ok ang gawa.

yung cleaning, parang sayang kasi, more than 10years old na din yung makina, tutal, nabuksan na, palitan na yung mga dapat palitan.

[glenn manikis]

Pag Ganyan ang ginagawa namin sa Mga gensets namin... Pinapa de rusting na namin yan... Ask Ko Lang gumagamit ka Po ba Ng Oil Additive? And what brand gamit mo?

[konichiwa888]

Pag Ganyan ang ginagawa namin sa Mga gensets namin... Pinapa de rusting na namin yan... Ask Ko Lang gumagamit ka Po ba Ng Oil Additive? And what brand gamit mo?

sa shell po ako nagpapachange oil. Fully synthetic ang oil na gamit ko at hindi po ako gumagamit ng oil additives. May isang beses kasi matagal ako bago nagpachange oil, dun na nagsimula yun oil sludge.

[glenn manikis]

Yung flakes nyan.. Pag natangal.. Will act as a grinding compound sa engine...

[vinj]

50K for an Altis overhaul is pricey unless you overheated the engine and warped the cylinder heads. Do a compression test first to see if you have any busted seals, piston rings causing loose compression. Have the timing chain and tensioners checked too. If need be, you can buy an original overhaul kit (gaskets and the like) from shops like Toyorama, Celica, Aerodymanic, Gant, etc. (Banawe, Aranata Ave, Masangkay or Pasay areas) and these should be reasonable.Have a mechanic first open the engine and drop the oil pan to clean it.

Even if the car is not used often, make it a practice to change the oil once or twice a year. It would save you in the long run and will only cost you 1K+ at your gas station.

[t2erns]

i don't think you need an overhaul. the least you can do is pulldown the oil pan and clean the oil pick-up tube. pull down the valve cover and clean manually the intake and exhaust cam shafts and other components. then do an engine flush. and most important is to replace the PCV VALVE. yan pcv valve kadalasan cause ng sludge and idagdag mo pa ang dalang ng change oil.

yun ingay na nadidinig mo is probabably un pressure sa crankcase resulta ng clogged pcv valve

[dr. d]

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i agree with skyflakes above.
dis-assemble the engine and clean it, especially the smaller oil passages. if you are lucky, you will need to purchase only an overhaul kit (mostly gaskets ang laman..).
the oil warning lamp turns on when pressure is low. with clogged passage, depending on where the sensor is, the pressure will "not be low"..
many car engines will read low oil pressure, once the joints and mating surfaces become loose.., i.e., tired engine, ready for overhaul.

50K..? worser case scenario na yata yan.. 25K still seems high, if no metal parts are to be changed.. 15K siguro, especially if the mechanic is friendly. 'tis what i spend a few years ago on my non-toyota car.. minimal metal parts replaced.. kasama pa ang PS..

good luck.

[pdspd]

No need to overhaul.Baklasin lng ang cylinder head chka oil pan.Remove the strainer ng oil pump.Tapos linisin din ang vvti oil filter sa may ilalim ng vvti oil control valve(may 17mm bolt,nandun ung maliit na filter).Karamihan ng oil sludge,naipon lng sa ibabaw ng cylinder head.Bago magpa overhaul.magpa compression test ka muna kung out of specs or malayo na diprensya ng 4 na cylinders.Tapos,kabitan muna ng mechanical oil pressure gauge ang oil sending unit para makita kung nasa specs pa ang oil pressure.Pag nasa specs pa,bakit ka magpa overhaul?Aabutin ka ng 20k+ sa pyesa pa lng (1zzfe/3zzfe).

[konichiwa888]

50K for an Altis overhaul is pricey unless you overheated the engine and warped the cylinder heads. Do a compression test first to see if you have any busted seals, piston rings causing loose compression. Have the timing chain and tensioners checked too. If need be, you can buy an original overhaul kit (gaskets and the like) from shops like Toyorama, Celica, Aerodymanic, Gant, etc. (Banawe, Aranata Ave, Masangkay or Pasay areas) and these should be reasonable.Have a mechanic first open the engine and drop the oil pan to clean it.

Even if the car is not used often, make it a practice to change the oil once or twice a year. It would save you in the long run and will only cost you 1K+ at your gas station.

Hi sir, ask ko lang saan pwede magpacompression test at mga how much po magagastos kapag compression test? Sa mga shell station kaya na nagchachange oil meron kaya silang compression test?

[rommelm]

50K for an Altis overhaul is pricey unless you overheated the engine and warped the cylinder heads. Do a compression test first to see if you have any busted seals, piston rings causing loose compression. Have the timing chain and tensioners checked too. If need be, you can buy an original overhaul kit (gaskets and the like) from shops like Toyorama, Celica, Aerodymanic, Gant, etc. (Banawe, Aranata Ave, Masangkay or Pasay areas) and these should be reasonable.Have a mechanic first open the engine and drop the oil pan to clean it.

Even if the car is not used often, make it a practice to change the oil once or twice a year. It would save you in the long run and will only cost you 1K+ at your gas station.

sir may i ask how much to undergo compression test?mine kasi is nagbabawas ng langis..

[jick.cejoco]

sir may i ask how much to undergo compression test?mine kasi is nagbabawas ng langis..

when you are losing lube oil that fast, the first thing you will have to check is the PCV system. these are routine maintenance procedures that are often missed and people tend to prescribe overhaul even if it was neglect or derelict maintenance. do the routine procedures first. most shops are hungry for cash even how minor the symptom is, they prescribe the most revenue producing jobs taking advantage of people's ignorance

[bloowolf]

Diba matutunaw yung oil sludge sa engine flushing? I had a car before that had oil sludge, natunaw after 3 o/c at flushing