2004 Altis suddenly Died. Engine Problem.

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Brother's car is 2004 G AT Altis.

History: he got this second hand, not privy sa history neto. As to PMS after getting this, regular change oil lang. Another thing, lumalamon ng langis since panay bawas ng oil kahit no leaks. Top-up lang lagi pag bumawas.

Engine suddenly died last night in SCTEX thankfully after Floridablanca exit umabot pa dun sa rest area since shoulder lane is not that big in SCTEX. Apparently all the icons in the gauge blinks/lits up.

He called me up, akala ko simpleng over heat lang, the usual remedies for overheating engine was done. Lumamig na still ayaw mag start, then baka battery woes naman ayun dumating mga SCTEX patrol nag try mag series ayaw pa din.

(Kudos sa patrol ng sctex, very helpful, courteous and patient talaga sila. My brother offered to give something as a token tumanggi pa din)

They called a towing company, dinala sa talyer after mag exit ng Dau in NLEX.

Checked the engine, the dipstick lampas sa required oil level. Sabi ng mekaniko may tubig na daw humalo sa langis kaya umangat yung level.

Ano kaya cause neto?
Dahil ba ito sa oil sludge na sakit ng altis?
Overhaul na ba? Advisable pa kaya ipagawa?

Earlier today we called a towing again, pinadala ko na sa mga relatives ko aa capalangan. Dun na lang gawin. Awaiting pa ako ng feedback.

Baka guys in here can shed some light.

TIA


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[jick.cejoco]

First confirm if the oil is indeed emulsified. How many millimeters is the oil/emulsion over the full mark? Does it crank over? Is it losing antifreeze/coolant?

[iceblueyes]

My previous car was an Altis, 2002-3 ata, forgot na. Anyway on the last years bago namin binenta medyo namamtay nga ng bigla bigla. Had it checked, oil sludge. Tangal/linis everything then ok na.

Don't remember what it cost to fix pero afterwards naging ok naman siya. Probably would still be using it if di na T-boned ng jeep

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Sir kelangan masilip ung loob ng makina. Only way to tell. Sa napanuod ko sa youtube (mejo praning ako sa sludge, naka altis din ako, notorious for sludging) mejo mahaba habang gawaan. Pagka linis ng makina ng sludge, papalitan mga metal parts na na damage. Tapos break in period pag naibalik na lahat ng parts, syempre bago pa mga bakal bakal sa loob, at w/c point di pa sya reliable na daily beater. Change oil, observe, repeat hanggang di na nag babawas at ok ang takbo.

[cast_no_shadow]

First confirm if the oil is indeed emulsified. How many millimeters is the oil/emulsion over the full mark? Does it crank over? Is it losing antifreeze/coolant?

No specifics given to me, brother said it is above the max level.

It still cranks.

Diagnosis was due to overheating nga daw, kaya it stalled.

Top overhaul daw gagawin and resurfacing (i dont know which part)

Does this make sense? Seriously i have no idea.

Although mga trusted relatives ko ito kaya tiwala kami.


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[cast_no_shadow]

Sir kelangan masilip ung loob ng makina. Only way to tell. Sa napanuod ko sa youtube (mejo praning ako sa sludge, naka altis din ako, notorious for sludging) mejo mahaba habang gawaan. Pagka linis ng makina ng sludge, papalitan mga metal parts na na damage. Tapos break in period pag naibalik na lahat ng parts, syempre bago pa mga bakal bakal sa loob, at w/c point di pa sya reliable na daily beater. Change oil, observe, repeat hanggang di na nag babawas at ok ang takbo.

Bro super noob talaga ako re: engine matters. Drive and ocular checking of fluids lang kaya ko, I don't even DIY.

Sludge is due to what? Dahil nga kaya sa sludge yung nangyari sa altis ni utol?


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[rodetor]

Kung humalo ang tubig mula sa cooling system sa engine oil, lubricating system, mapansin mo ang dipstick magkulay kapeng may gatas, instead of engine oil.

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[rodetor]

Kadalasan pinagmumulan ng problema nyan sa gasket ng cylinder head, yung part na may crack, bridging the passageway of oil and water.

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[cast_no_shadow]

Kung humalo ang tubig mula sa cooling system sa engine oil, lubricating system, mapansin mo ang dipstick magkulay kapeng may gatas, instead of engine oil.

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Kadalasan pinagmumulan ng problema nyan sa gasket ng cylinder head, yung part na may crack, bridging the passageway of oil and water.

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Confirmed naman na humalo na nga.

Is that due to overheating?

Tama ba na top overhaul ang gagawin?

Thanks.


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[rodetor]

Kung nabawas ng engine oil, without any leaks, at tuwing naandar ang makina kadalasan ang dulot ng pagbawas. At kapansin pansin ang usok nya sa tambutso. It's either valve seal palitin or gastado na ang mga piston ring at reborin ng ang engine block. Kung wala tama ang engine block, no need to rebore, replace lang ng set of piston rings and piston.

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[rodetor]

Confirmed naman na humalo na nga.

Is that due to overheating?

Tama ba na top overhaul ang gagawin?

Thanks.


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It is better to do a General Overhaul.

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[rodetor]

Your engine may stall or stop from running, when lack of lubrication or engine oil. Bearings in the crankshaft, camshaft and all piston and rings may seize when inadequate or runs out of engine oil.

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[rodetor]

An engine overheats too when inadequate of engine oil or it runs out.

Nalamom ng motor oil ride mo, kaya nagdadagdag kayo palagi sabi mo.

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[jick.cejoco]

Not too fast jumping into conclusion it needs overhaul. Don't be too fast to judge it needs machining. Don't cross the bridge before you get there. Make measurements first and compare with specs to see if they still fall within range or tolerance

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Bro super noob talaga ako re: engine matters. Drive and ocular checking of fluids lang kaya ko, I don't even DIY.

Sludge is due to what? Dahil nga kaya sa sludge yung nangyari sa altis ni utol?


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Sir, in general ang sludging is due to poor maintenance ho. Baka ung previous owner neglected the intervals. When oil and filter are not changed regularly, sunog na sunog na ho ung langis, tapos mahaluan na rin ng tubig and it becomes gel like. Kaya akala nyo ho nagbabawas, pero tumitigas at nandun lang sa loob. Kaya wala ring leak sa labas. Eventually engine stalls due to oil deprivation.
Tama kayo and ung iba top overhaul ang bagsak + labor sa removal of sludge + parts.
Yung sa altis ko naman never ho nagbawas at never ako nag top up ng oil since nakuha ko 3 yrs ago. Hope this helps.

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Maraming salamat sa replies.

All points taken.

Awaiting pa ako on the specifics on things to be done.

Will definitely post here for updates and confirmation na din.




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[rodetor]

Not too fast jumping into conclusion it needs overhaul. Don't be too fast to judge it needs machining. Don't cross the bridge before you get there. Make measurements first and compare with specs to see if they still fall within range or tolerance

Right. That's why I had said, it is better to do a general overhaul. So a mechanic can see and tell if it definitely needs to be done or not some machining, replacing or just cleaning.

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[StockEngine]

Not too fast jumping into conclusion it needs overhaul. Don't be too fast to judge it needs machining. Don't cross the bridge before you get there. Make measurements first and compare with specs to see if they still fall within range or tolerance

It is a 2004 after all. Overhaul and change water pump if i want to keep the car and even maybe the oil pump. Car would keep running for the next 5-10yrs.

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Update:

My cousin called us up, nasilip na nila.
Beyond repair na daw ang engine, marepair man hindi rin tatagal.

They suggested replace engine na lang daw.

My questions:

Where in the world can we get a surplus engine for this altis na no issues with compatibilities.

Is this worth the replacement pa? Baka yung ipapalit is gulpi din.

How do surplus engine ended up of being sold? Refurbished then benta ulit?

Which I think is still a no-no.

Anyone knows who can hook us up finding a good one?

Lastly.

How much can you sell the car as is with no engine? [emoji23]

TIA


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[1D4LV]

Update:

My cousin called us up, nasilip na nila.
Beyond repair na daw ang engine, marepair man hindi rin tatagal.

They suggested replace engine na lang daw.

My questions:

Where in the world can we get a surplus engine for this altis na no issues with compatibilities.

Is this worth the replacement pa? Baka yung ipapalit is gulpi din.

How do surplus engine ended up of being sold? Refurbished then benta ulit?

Which I think is still a no-no.

Anyone knows who can hook us up finding a good one?

Lastly.

How much can you sell the car as is with no engine? [emoji23]

TIA


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question lang, bakit beyond repair? nabasag ba engine block?