Starter grinding noise

[Offroad_Goals]

Permission to post.

I have this problem on my 08' hilux. When I crank the engine, sometimes the starter makes a metal-to-metal grinding noise (probably the bendix drive and the flywheel) although sometimes, it cranks just like normal. No grinding sound. When it does grind, I just switch the keys back and start the engine again and done. I had the starter cleaned maybe 6 months ago and then the problem appears again lately.

Does any of you guys experience this kind of problem too? I will post a sample video soon on youtube and I will paste here the link when it's already available.

I also noticed that when I turn the switch to "ON", there would be a clicking sound from the area around the starter. I don't think that is normal since the '12 fortuner of my neighbour don't have this kind of clicking sound.

Can you share your opinion(s) regarding this problem mga sir? I would love to hear your side. Thank you in advance! Much appreciated!

[Offroad_Goals]

UPDATE: As per reading some articles and websites over the internet, some people suggests it might be the battery. I recently swapped the new amaron battery of our pajero to my 1 1/2 year old motolite excel and the problem still exist. I don't think it has something to do with the battery

[jick.cejoco]

if it grinds while cranking, the problem might be a bad spot on the flywheel ring gear

if it grinds after the engine starts, it might be the drive pinion gear delayed return to retracted position and the pinion gear is turning with the flywheel

[dr. d]

if i were me, i'd ask another mechanic to bring down the starter and have a look at it.
it's not terribly expensive, and it sure beats theorizing.
yes, i'd like to have a look at the entire circumference of the flywheel....

[Offroad_Goals]

UPDATE: Here are some of the videos I took. I will paste here the link.


This is for the grinding sound:

Toyota Hilux 1KD-FTV grinding noise when cranking - YouTube

And this one is for the clicking sound, which at first I thought was the starter but later realized it was not.

Toyota Hilux 1KD-FTV loud clicking sound in the engine bay - YouTube

[iameldrin]

UPDATE: Here are some of the videos I took. I will paste here the link.


This is for the grinding sound:

Toyota Hilux 1KD-FTV grinding noise when cranking - YouTube

And this one is for the clicking sound, which at first I thought was the starter but later realized it was not.

Toyota Hilux 1KD-FTV loud clicking sound in the engine bay - YouTube

Not a mechanic and not pro, but as I watched the video I think the noise is coming around the place where the alternator and compressor are, i have a similar sound like that tik tik and it only happens when the ac comp is on...

so the verdict i think you just need to bring it to a mechanic, i know a good mechanic if you guys live around rizal

[Offroad_Goals]

Not a mechanic and not pro, but as I watched the video I think the noise is coming around the place where the alternator and compressor are, i have a similar sound like that tik tik and it only happens when the ac comp is on...

so the verdict i think you just need to bring it to a mechanic, i know a good mechanic if you guys live around rizal

I appreciate your suggestion sir, thank you! Although mine still makes a clicking sound even though the A/C compressor is not on. As long as I turn the keys to "On", the noise will start to come up. I went to a mechanic earlier and he said to me that it was probably the "Turbo Relay" but he's not that sure so he will have to consult his friend who specialises on those first. I don't know i'll just wait for a call. But what is a turbo relay anyway?

[Offroad_Goals]

I just wanted to UPDATE this thread for possible technical reference in future for my fellow tsikoteers who also own a Toyota Hilux and might experience such problems someday.

I had it checked few weeks ago. As what my mechanic said, there's nothing wrong with other components of my starter except the encircled part of the bendix drive which I will upload below. The encircled part is a trimmed part of the shaft or the metal tube something of the bendix drive assembly. I personally got the chance to hold it and it's let say 1 or 2 millimeters deeper; it's really small but you can definitely feel the difference. It happened probably due to wear and tear since the car almost have 208,000+ kilometers on it. My mechanic told me that as time goes by, grease goes into that tiny trimmed part of the shaft which makes the drive or something (The other hand of the mechanic) to not push completely the pinion gear to the flywheel so it just spins freely on that trimmed part, thus also causes the loud and nasty grinding noise which I uploaded on youtube. The link is available on my recent comments.

Anyway, I met someone in manila who owns an alternator and starter shop and told me he has a surplus starter for my Hilux. It's an OEM Denso, just surplus; Made in thailand, same as mine. They're identical so I was able to get it replaced with my starter.

Fast forward, it starts now with just one click, but it slides a little. Sounds like the pinion gear and the flywheel slips a little bit when engaging, though it does create a noise, it's somehow less noisier and less nastier than my previous starter. The seller told to just observe for a few days because maybe the starter is still on an "Adjustment Period" right now and will just normally fit the flywheel after days of usage; but my mechanic said that if after a week it's still there, he suggested I visit his shop so he'll be able to remove and open the surplus starter, maybe it needs some lubricating or it needs to refitted well again matching the flywheel or last resort, he will try to swap the bendix drive of the surplus starter to the original starter.

I will post tomorrow the link of the sample video of how the surplus one starts and I will update again this thread after a few days to a week after I have got to bring my car to the mechanic and had fixed everything that needs fixing. Thanks!

[Offroad_Goals]

Wow. How can I upload photos here? Why does the tsikot website on my browser doesn't load completely. I can't find the add file or add photo button

[Offroad_Goals]

Wow. How can I upload photos here? Why does the tsikot website on my browser doesn't load completely. I can't find the add file or add photo button

It uploaded. I don't know what just happened. Anyway, the picture below is my Bendix Drive Assembly from my old starter (This is OEM; Denso Brand; Made in Thailand). The encircled part, is what we thought the problem.

[StockEngine]

Good infos bro. Those are good quality photos and videos.



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[Offroad_Goals]

Good infos bro. Those are good quality photos and videos.

Is it so? Well, thanks bro! The videos were shot using a Nikon D7000 with an 18-55mm VR kit lens, I also used a tripod, no external microphones; While the picture of the bendix drive was taken using my Samsung J5 2016


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Is it so? Well, thanks for the appreciation bro! The videos were taken using a Nikon D7000 with 18-55mm kit lens and tripod while the picture was taken using a Samsung J5 2016.

[Offroad_Goals]

UPDATE:

The slipping noise is eventually starting to go louder and nastier, although it slips but starts on the first turn of the key unlike my old starter which it will just grind and make that nasty noise. Anyway, I will probably have it checked tomorrow if the weather permits because it is really raining hard right now here in Palawan. Just some personal opinion about this, I'm bothered as to why the new starter that I got, oh I should say surplus OEM denso starter (Made in Thailand) still slips and is now gradually making a louder and nastier noise. I would really bet that after a few more days of usage, this will also become like my old starter (But I hope it would not). LOL!

I'm no expert in engines and mechanical stuff but these are the childish thoughts that goes in my mind regarding this issue (Feel free to correct me if im wrong):

1. Maybe my flywheel is the real problem? (Oh no, why did I bought a starter)
2. Maybe the battery? (But this is a brand new Amaron; not older than 6 months)
3. Maybe the alternator? (Ugh, I don't know. All I know about the alternator was that if it's broken, you won't be able to crank the engine after few usage because it will drain out the battery)
4. Maybe the ignition switch? (What it has something to do with this?)
5. Maybe, the mechanic ain't fitted the starter well? (Maybe he can re-install the starter or he can do something like turning the gears and everything in the engine so the teeth of the flywheel will now match the teeth of the starter pinion? A not-so-sure-if-possible idea)

6. Or maybe, I just had a bad starter again? (So unlucky of me)

Anyway, I hope that I can have it checked tomorrow and I will update you guys on the findings. God bless!

[Offroad_Goals]

Not a mechanic and not pro, but as I watched the video I think the noise is coming around the place where the alternator and compressor are, i have a similar sound like that tik tik and it only happens when the ac comp is on...

so the verdict i think you just need to bring it to a mechanic, i know a good mechanic if you guys live around rizal

I just want to update you sir. The mechanic of the toyota casa here in Palawan told me that the ticking sound that comes from the side of the turbo intercooler (near the air filter) is just the turbo sound and he said it's normal. Meanwhile, the ticking sound that comes from the other side of the engine bay on the driver side is from the transmission release bearing. He says it's worn out and I have to replace it too. Seems legit, because whenever I press the pedal or just put my foot on it, the ticking sound disappears!

Anyway, i'm saving up to service my whole clutch assembly soon. Planning to buy a whole clutch assembly (Pressure Plate, Clutch Lining and all the bearings needed). I'm still looking for the best place with the best deal to order a clutch assembly there in Manila.

[Offroad_Goals]

UPDATE:

I had the starter checked yesterday. I'm not sure though, I'm still thinking maybe it was a bad or misaligned flex plate or another component of the starter assembly like the armature and solenoid but base on our check-up yesterday, it turns out that I got a bad surplus starter too. It also has trimmings on the bendix drive assembly shaft and I will post it here. We're looking forward to return the item and find another surplus again or maybe we'll just order a brand new one. Anyway, my mechanic told me that the usual major problem that occurs first in the Hilux are the "Starter Bendix Drive" and "Alternator Pulley". He told me that many Hilux owners also experience such problems. What can you say fellow tsikoteers? Those who also own a Hilux here, is this true?

And also, if someone here who owns a Hilux and experiences or have experienced the same problem too, can you contact me? And if you have a picture of your damaged bendix drive, can you send it over my email? Thanks to whoever will contact me for this. I would be really glad! Thank you!

Will keep you guys updated about this issue so that we may all have a thread here which may be used as technical reference.

[dr. d]

is it just possible, that the problem is not the starter, but the mount? maybe the starter mount is distorted, and the starter (any starter!) can not sit properly?

[Offroad_Goals]

is it just possible, that the problem is not the starter, but the mount? maybe the starter mount is distorted, and the starter (any starter!) can not sit properly?

I can't say sir. When we had it checked a few days ago, the mechanic mounted/unmounted it for almost 4 times. We'll see the real problem if 1.) Someone here would send me over a picture of their bendix drive; I'll just check if the trimmed part on the shaft in which I always put a circle is normal or a wear indicator and 2.) If I'll be able to find a good starter with a bendix drive in good condition after a few days and then the starting will go nice, however if not then maybe it's not the starter that has the problem, so I will have to check also other parts of the vehicle.

Will keep you guys posted next time. As of now, it starts but there's this short slipping sound at the beginning. I'm still looking for a surplus starter or a brand new bendix drive from the casa. Will update everyone soon! Thanks!

[dr. d]

errr... bearings?

[dr. d]

I can't say sir. When we had it checked a few days ago, the mechanic mounted/unmounted it for almost 4 times. We'll see the real problem if 1.) Someone here would send me over a picture of their bendix drive; I'll just check if the trimmed part on the shaft in which I always put a circle is normal or a wear indicator and 2.) If I'll be able to find a good starter with a bendix drive in good condition after a few days and then the starting will go nice, however if not then maybe it's not the starter that has the problem, so I will have to check also other parts of the vehicle.

Will keep you guys posted next time. As of now, it starts but there's this short slipping sound at the beginning. I'm still looking for a surplus starter or a brand new bendix drive from the casa. Will update everyone soon! Thanks!

i am reminded of our old car. starting her wasn't consistent. binaba na namin yung starter nang ilang beses...
finally, for an un-related reason, binaba namin yung trans housing. dun lang namin nakita... bingkong nang kaunti yung starter mount! kaya pala...!

[Offroad_Goals]

i am reminded of our old car. starting her wasn't consistent. binaba na namin yung starter nang ilang beses...
finally, for an un-related reason, binaba namin yung trans housing. dun lang namin nakita... bingkong nang kaunti yung starter mount! kaya pala...!

Noted sir. Will have it checked also sa susunod na pa-check up. As for the bearings, hmmm. Just a newbie question, does the clutch can have something to do with this? Malapit na din kasi ako magpalit ng buong clutch assembly since nararamdaman ko na yung drop sa performance ng clutch as well as the worn out release bearing.

Hindi ko nga po alam kung ano ang problema nito eh. IMO, kelangan ko talaga sumali sa mga Hilux Club or Hilux threads sa forum, baka may kapareho ako ng problema. Sana, for the 3rd time kung makakuha kami ng new parts be it a surplus starter or brand new bendix drive, hindi na siya magloko or else madami na naman babaklasin. Hehe.

Anyway, may thread po ata dito for Hilux, diba po sir? I will try to join there. Will still keep you updated guys about this issue para meron tayong technical reference sa future for our fellow tsikoteers and Hilux owners.