Lithium-ion Batteries?

[Dr.Kamiya]

Check out the battery he's showing off at the timestamp. Hanep! 3lbs for 660CCA, and has internal protection that shuts itself off if charge ever goes below a certain level so your car always has enough juice to start.



Is there any store importing lithium-ion car batteries locally? I know this stuff is hard to bring in because of cargo handling restrictions.

Edit: If the timestamp doesn't work, lithium battery talk is at 23 minutes. Or just watch the whole thing. It's very entertaining.

[yapoy86]

Check out the battery he's showing off at the timestamp. Hanep! 3lbs for 660CCA, and has internal protection that shuts itself off if charge ever goes below a certain level so your car always has enough juice to start.



Is there any store importing lithium-ion car batteries locally? I know this stuff is hard to bring in because of cargo handling restrictions.

Edit: If the timestamp doesn't work, lithium battery talk is at 23 minutes. Or just watch the whole thing. It's very entertaining.

I think that battery can be made DIY if you have proper tools and electronics.. its like an e-bike battery in 12V configuration with internal balance charger and low voltage protection..just need to have quality li-ion cells in a fire retardant casing

[oj88]

...has internal protection that shuts itself off if charge ever goes below a certain level so your car always has enough juice to start.

Just to point out that THAT is not the purpose of the battery's internal protection.

LiIon batteries must be protected from going below a certain voltage. Typically, they operate between ~3.0V to ~4.2V per cell. In other words, 3.0V (2.8V in some cells) is already considered 0% state-of-charge (SOC). Over-discharging beyond 2.8/3.0V will drastically reduce the lifespan of the battery and letting it go down to near or at 0V will permanently damage the cell. Hence, the need for a protection circuit is for the safety of the battery.... not to leave "enough juice to start" the engine.

[Dr.Kamiya]

Just to point out that THAT is not the purpose of the battery's internal protection.

LiIon batteries must be protected from going below a certain voltage. Typically, they operate between ~3.0V to ~4.2V per cell. In other words, 3.0V (2.8V in some cells) is already considered 0% state-of-charge (SOC). Over-discharging beyond 2.8/3.0V will drastically reduce the lifespan of the battery and letting it go down to near or at 0V will permanently damage the cell. Hence, the need for a protection circuit is for the safety of the battery.... not to leave "enough juice to start" the engine.

Took the time to read up on Antigravity's website. Turns out it's a bit of both:

What protections are built into your re-start batteries?

1. They prevent the vehicle from draining the Re-Start battery below 12 volts over time. This is good for preventing “parasitic drain” issues.
2. They prevent the vehicle from draining the battery below 8 volts during cranking. This prevents it from being used in an application too large for what is intended.
3. They protect against occasional spikes in voltage beyond 14.8. This does NOT include when a regulator has failed and allows system volts to constantly rise above 14.8.

So they have their protection circuit set to cut off at 12V which is rather high, but the objective is so that the battery doesn't dip below 8V when cranking. You could say if the objective was only to prevent over discharge then it could have been set at 8V which I assume is when the internal cells will be at their lower bound of 3.0V, the tradeoff being the battery protection circuit will likely engage while trying to crank.

IMO they purposely set their protection circuit voltage higher so there is always enough juice left to crank, as the guy presenting the build video also claimed.

[yapoy86]

Took the time to read up on Antigravity's website. Turns out it's a bit of both:



So they have their protection circuit set to cut off at 12V which is rather high, but the objective is so that the battery doesn't dip below 8V when cranking. You could say if the objective was only to prevent over discharge then it could have been set at 8V which I assume is when the internal cells will be at their lower bound of 3.0V, the tradeoff being the battery protection circuit will likely engage while trying to crank.

IMO they purposely set their protection circuit voltage higher so there is always enough juice left to crank, as the guy presenting the build video also claimed.

No sir..as said.by oj88...lithium ion batteries cannot go below 3.0V per cell.. ideal charge of lithium ion batts is 3.7 - 4.2 V per cell.. maybe its a 14.8V 4S li-ion setup that is electronically controlled. In lead acid batts cranking volts of 8V is already too low..

[oj88]

Took the time to read up on Antigravity's website
IMO they purposely set their protection circuit voltage higher so there is always enough juice left to crank, as the guy presenting the build video also claimed.

Nope. Again, the protection circuit is for the battery... not the load.

If the battery voltage goes below a certain threshold, the protection circuit cuts off current flow from the battery to prevent further discharge. So if it's open-circuit, there'll be be zero volts out of the battery. Needless to say, no power, no cranking.

There's typically a bypass diode that allows the cells to be recharged. Once the cell voltage goes above a safe threshold, the protection circuit will disengage to allow the battery to again supply power to the load.

[babkalakal]

Stumbled upon this while looking at battery tenders. No idea about the cost.

[benchph1]

Almost 1,000$ USD daw yan.

Almost ten times the price of a lead-acid counterpart.

I’d rather pay the amount than to DIY building my own battery.


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[baludoy]

I was watching that vid last night too. [emoji4]


His battery intrigued me also, especially its brand name : antigravity. [emoji3]


He gave up his subaru forester for that tight ek unit. Not a bad deal naman

the things you own end up owning you

[dr. d]

according to google, the lifespan is about the same as the ordinary lead acid battery.
i figure, for the average motorista, it is not significantly cost-effective for whatever advantages it offers.

what about those small lithium-battery-car-starters-for-emergencies, instead?

[zechs]

Been following their youtube channel when they first got that ek hatchback and evo 9. Swerte din kasi sponsored mostly mga parts na ginamit nila.

That antigravity battery that he used retails around 310usd

[yebo]

what about those small lithium-battery-car-starters-for-emergencies, instead?

For engines bigger than 2000cc, especially for a diesel, there is a technique for using it. Same as in using a jumper, it will only work IF your car battery still has some charge and can still receive a charge. So like when you use a jumper that you connect to the battery of another vehicle, you are NOT using the other vehicle's battery SOLELY to start your car, you first use it to charge your discharged battery. After revving the other car for a minute or two the "dead" battery would have taken enough charge and that plus the other car's charging system is enough to crank your engine. So when you use the Li-Ion battery you connect it, wait 1 minute for the charge to transfer to the dead battery then crank the car.

I've used mine 2x, once with success and the other failed. It was able to start a kia sorento 2.2 using the above technique. With a dead battery on a 3.2 ford everest di kinaya. Nag crank siya pero sobra mabagal.

[dr. d]

For engines bigger than 2000cc, especially for a diesel, there is a technique for using it. Same as in using a jumper, it will only work IF your car battery still has some charge and can still receive a charge. So like when you use a jumper that you connect to the battery of another vehicle, you are NOT using the other vehicle's battery SOLELY to start your car, you first use it to charge your discharged battery. After revving the other car for a minute or two the "dead" battery would have taken enough charge and that plus the other car's charging system is enough to crank your engine. So when you use the Li-Ion battery you connect it, wait 1 minute for the charge to transfer to the dead battery then crank the car.

I've used mine 2x, once with success and the other failed. It was able to start a kia sorento 2.2 using the above technique. With a dead battery on a 3.2 ford everest di kinaya. Nag crank siya pero sobra mabagal.

is it safe to use the cigarette lighter as entry point?
or is clamping to the battery the safer way?

[yebo]

is it safe to use the cigarette lighter as entry point?
or is clamping to the battery the safer way?

No idea, though i have seen those being sold. But di ba to use the cigarette lighter you need to turn the ignition ON. Di kaya mapunta lang yung charge sa iba (e.g., ecu, bcm, instrument panel, and anything you forget to turn off).

[yapoy86]

is it safe to use the cigarette lighter as entry point?
or is clamping to the battery the safer way?

Cigarette lighter can be used maybe to charge the dead battery.. but not for cranking as the system turns off all accesories for full starting power.

Also cig lighter is rated only around 10A.. fuse might get busted