Chery Cars Philippines (Iseway Motors)

[carlocaraddict]

ginagawa pa po yung showroom. will keep you updated! hehe

[oldblue]

kung maalala nyo lang yun Bill Gates vs. GM CEO, mas papanig talaga ako kay bill gates. kasi ang presyo ng computer from 5K$ to 1K$ to $200. even nokia phones habang nag-iimprove ang technology bumababa pa presyo

pero etong car industry, bawat dagdag ng technology, 300K ng 300k ang dagdag sa SRP. grabe!

my CRV way back '99 was only 820K, 4WD, Fully-loaded. Gen2, naging 1.2M, ngaun gen 3 1.5M na

parang may mali talaga sa car industry. I hope the chinese succeeds

[cardo]

I share the same sentiments... i mean the medium sized owner in the late 90's is now only a compact car owner. I dunno, i guess it's due to the appreciation of the dollar from the past... and maybe other rising costs as well(ex. petrol, insurance, rising manufacturing cost, tax, new more expensive technologies etc). a 97 lancer was only 500k+ bnew back then, a galant for only 800k more or less bnew. now, a lancer costs 750k upwards to 900k(for the 2.0 version) more or less. a new galant is 1.4-1.5M

[mazdamazda]

But what exactly is copyright infringement?

You don't need an industrial design degree to see that their vehicles share almost all body panels (some even go to as high as 100% except for the badge) with their copied vehicles (like the Rav4 lookalike).

In the automotive industry, that's considered as "copyright infringement" already.

I have seen linux softwares that work almost exactly like windows of software that works exactly like word or excell, yet they are not considered copyright infringements. I have also seen japanese cars that look almost the same as european cars and they are not considered as infringements. I also have seen AMD microchips with almost the same functionality as Intel chips, would you say that there was a copyright violation?

Does the Linux software have the same source code as the Windows software?

Which Japanese vehicle are you referring to?

The Intel-AMD case was a decade ago and was decided by an internal settlement between the two company (with AMD paying Intel a sum of money for every chip sold).

Unfortunately in the real world, its hard to prove intellectuall piracy. Mas madali iyong trademark piracy. Of course the way the chinese copied it, is more blatant.

There - you said it yourself.

Pero Di ba ganoon din ang AMC Hummer dito and the CJ7 renegade, kopya sa American design?

Those vehicles were just inspired by the original creations. Their body panels, size, width, etc. are different from the real deal creations plus they are not mass produced like some Chinese vehicles.

In the field of Industrialization one first has to:

1. Study
2. Copy
3. Produce
4. Learn
5. Produce your own design.

Are you sure about that? Steps 1 to 3 is called counterfeiting FYI.

Steps 4 & 5 can be achieved without resorting to blatant counterfeiting of car parts and goods. That's why numerous car manufacturers are providing Chinese companies with the know-how to produce vehicles - the problem then begins with Chinese companies turning around and screwing their so-called partners for more profit.

The British, Germans, Americans, Japanese, Taiwanese, Koreans were all guilty of these. Now the Chinese are doing it.

Granted that they all did it - but is it ethical? Or should we just screw ethics just for monetary gains?

Tayo puro Batikos ang ginagawa, pero saan na tayo?

Does the ability to manufacture vehicles define who we are as a nation?

I do wish the chinese car manufacturers success para bumaba naman ang presyo ng kotse. We really don't have to buy it if we don't like it, but the nice thing about it is that we are given more options and choices, and for some poor people, its their only choice of car.

We have more pressing problems here than trying to figure out how the "poor" can buy a vehicle. If you can buy a vehicle - then you are not as poor as some who don't know how to feed themselves three times a day.

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BTTT

I am not bashing all Chinese vehicles as a whole but rather only their *counterfeit* vehicles. I have no qualms with the China on developing their own automotive brand. India & Korea has been very successful in doing that and took the right path with resorting to blatant counterfeiting.

[empy]

pati yung name nila...1 letter lang ang pagkakaiba sa Chevy :bwahaha:

what's next? Pord? Tohota?

[monmendoza]

Have any chinese carmaker ever been found guilty of copyright infringement by any court? Being accuse is different from being guilty. Baka naman di ganoon kadali ang definition ng infringement. What I mean is, if I copy a levi's jeans design in so many similar ways but change a small detail, Put my own brand, would I be guilty of copyright infringement? Maybe a patent attorney among fellow tsikoteers can enligthen us about this. Baka naman we are jumping into conclusions.

[alwayz_yummy]

as i know,

iba ang business practice in china--> kung gusto mo mag-busness sa kanila, ang requirement nila, dapat may local busness man kang partner, kaya dun nakakaroon ng design copying, which in turn, pinagsasama nila yung pinakamabentang design to make their products buyable..example lang are those CETC-brand cellphones na sa unang tingin kala mo nokia/SE phone, pero most may touch-screens at kung anung features na di nakalagay sa original product.. i may not have complete confidence over chinese product, heck mas matibay ay mas magaling ang mga assembled ng pinoy na sasakyan, at sa electronics naman, well, most cellphones/E.gadgets natin galing/assembled in china..

and as i know, china is one of the countries i know na di pumirma sa "IPO/copyright" law na yun..kaya di sila mapipigilan gumawa nang ganun... now nasa consumer nalang to decide... diba kung pangit ang brand, at di nag-improve why buy kahit mura? para lang yan pagbili mo ng grocery-> only a diiference of a centavo matters, pero kung natikman mong di worth ang natipid mo, di mo ulit bibilhin,right?

example natin ang proton-->mitsu technology, pero pangit ang support, kaya di tumagal. nexus-->overpriced chinese cars kasi tunog luxury daw(lexus) chery(yup near to chevy) baka competitive na ang price, ang car kaya? malalaman natin yan kung may mga buyers na nag-dare bumili...at mga test drivers natin sa tsikot ang nagtest na din...

ps > sir carlo, pag tesdrive kayo, PM nyo ako dito, please?

[LexTer]

hinde naman namin minamaliit ang china.


the thing is, malayo pa talaga bago umabot ang china. give it another 5-10 years before i would become competitive enough for the world market.

di na siguro magtatagal sir. sabi nga ng boss ko na european. patok daw ang china cars ngayon dun. pinapatay local cars nila sa market. matutulin din daw kasi. pero aminado sila na di rin sila sure kung matibay.

[LexTer]

huh! may mga nakita ako kanina na kakaibang kotse dito sa area namin. sa may cherry foodarama (parang exhibit). check ko nga later. baka ito yung mga yun. kakaiba e. kunan ko din pictures.

nadale ako. mga legacy cars pala yun. meron na pala silang starlet na labas. tapos parang jeep na tricycle. ewan ano tawag dun.

[alwayz_yummy]

if they're cheap to own, at makakakuha ng local-spare parts, ok na din yan...in the long run it is just like converting your 90's pride to a japanese one...

nexus, grabe presyo ng auto prominence,e...presyong luxury car na,e!

thos JAC truck are good for light duties(school bus, gulay, water) but not feasible on heavy loads like sand, gravel, h.block, lumbers, and most harware items bibigay agad ang pangilalim...