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    Quote Originally Posted by uls View Post
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    meron ung CA hired by bank to collect (the bank still owns the loan) -- so client ng CA ang bank

    meron naman ung the CA bought the loan so labas na ang bangko diyan
    So mag demanda ang CA? They won't go to that extreme. They will just move on to the nexr account and so on hangang meron sila matakot magbayad.

    Basta premise is walaa na mawawala sa akin dahil wala na ako talaga pangbayad ha. I will not wasye my time with them.

    Kung yun bank na sa kanila ako may utang eh hinde na din interesado eh.

    Kung hinde ako natakot hinde magbayad sa bank eh di mas lalo ako hinde matakot sa mga CA.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shadow View Post
    Bank din mag request diba and not the CA?

    And pag mag sue talaga si bank din and not the CA diba?

    If it is then mas lalo ako hinde magbayad at makipagusap sa mga CA.


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    Yes, it's the bank that submits your name sa BAP bago mapunta sa CA

    Yung delinquent account nga either

    1. Endorsed to a collection agency
    2. Sold to a collection agency

    Pareho lang kami explanation ni ULS. Kapag sold na wala ng pakialam bangko

    Bakit pag sa bank willing to pay ka pero sa CA hindi?


    Quote Originally Posted by uls View Post
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    meron ung CA hired by bank to collect (the bank still owns the loan) -- so client ng CA ang bank

    meron naman ung the CA bought the loan so labas na ang bangko diyan

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    ung maliit na halaga hindi talaga magdedemanda coz they'll be spending more on the case than the amount they want to collect

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    Quote Originally Posted by _Cathy_ View Post

    Bakit pag sa bank willing to pay ka pero sa CA hindi?
    CA bought my bulok account, delinquent, estapador na nga ako and they expect na magbayad ako sa kanila? Hinde na nga ako nagbabayad sa mismong meron akong utang talaga eh sa kanila pa kaya. [emoji23]


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    Quote Originally Posted by uls View Post
    ung maliit na halaga hindi talaga magdedemanda coz they'll be spending more on the case than the amount they want to collect
    Paper win lang mangyayari diyan dahil wala na talaga pangbayad yun delinquent account.

    Panalo nga sabihin magbayad eh wala na talaga pangbayad ano gagawin nila mag demanda ulit? They can settle ₱100/ month kung yun lang kaha ibayad


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    Quote Originally Posted by shadow View Post
    CA bought my bulok account, delinquent, estapador na nga ako and they expect na magbayad ako sa kanila? Hinde na nga ako nagbabayad sa mismong meron akong utang talaga eh sa kanila pa kaya. [emoji23]


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    meron kasi mga napapabayad ng utang pag tinatakot o pinapahiya hehe

    business model ng CA

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    Quote Originally Posted by uls View Post
    meron kasi mga napapabayad ng utang pag tinatakot hehe

    business model ng CA
    Kaya nga yun sinasabi ko pag wala na talaga pangbayad huwag na kausapin yan CA.

    Kung uutang lang ulit para ibayad sa mga CA, huwag na gawin.

    Stop na nila utang sa CA and just forget about it, move on with their lives and hopefully maging lesson and makabawi later on.

    If you think about it, ano ba talaga magagawa ng mga CA kung ayaw mo magbayad?

    Sa dami ng delinquent accounts lalo na after ng pandemic, hinde ka special sa kanila.

    Baka 10 account hawak ng isang agent kung meron magbayad ng 4 doon Ok na sa kanila so bayaan mo na yun ibang ka batch mo na apat na matakot at magbayad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shadow View Post
    Kaya nga yun sinasabi ko pag wala na talaga pangbayad huwag na kausapin yan CA.

    Kung uutang lang ulit para ibayad sa mga CA, huwag na gawin.

    Stop na nila utang sa CA and just forget about it, move on with their lives and hopefully maging lesson and makabawi later on.

    If you think about it, ano ba talaga magagawa ng mga CA kung ayaw mo magbayad?

    Sa dami ng delinquent accounts lalo na after ng pandemic, hinde ka special sa kanila.

    Baka 10 account hawak ng isang agent kung meron magbayad ng 4 doon Ok na sa kanila so bayaan mo na yun ibang ka batch mo na apat na matakot at magbayad.

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    oo wala sila magagawa kung ayaw talaga magbayad

    tiisin nalang ung harassment until they give up/move on

    pero their harassment works that's why debt collectors continue to have business

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    So in short, hindi makukuha ng bank or CA ang properties mo either car or lupa? Kahit gaano kalaki utang sa card? Kahit P1m above?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bugsmobile View Post
    So in short, hindi makukuha ng bank or CA ang properties mo either car or lupa? Kahit gaano kalaki utang sa card? Kahit P1m above?
    If it's worth pursuing they will file a case and if they win, the delinquent cardholder will be made to pay by the court. Like I said, the properties will be liquidated. Yung pag enforce lang ang problema hehehe. Kapag ganyan na million ang utang, ipu pursue yan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shadow View Post
    Going back to the original post. Hinde kukunin yun kotse ng friend ng OP para pang bayad sa CC debts. That's absurd.

    And going back sa unang post ko. Since andyan na yan at wala na siya pa bayad. Huwag siya matakot sa mga CA puro pananakot lang ginagawa ng mga yan mas maganda nga you called their bluff and 100% walang magagawa mga yan puro salita lang.

    Sa sobrang dami ng bad debts sa CC, kung alam nila hinde ka engot namaniniwala sa mga sinasabj nila they'll just move on sa ibang tao na mas matatakot nila.


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    Kahit naman mag settle ka ng utang either sa bank or CA hindi pa rin mabura ang pangalan as deliquent borrower sa mga credit bureau like CIBI, CMAP and BAP

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    Quote Originally Posted by bugsmobile View Post
    So in short, hindi makukuha ng bank or CA ang properties mo either car or lupa? Kahit gaano kalaki utang sa card? Kahit P1m above?
    Nope. Unsecured loan yan CC. Kung mas malaki value ng properties mo sa utang mo paano nila kunin yan? And besides if ever naman na gawin nila yan you'll have all the time para maka bayad dahil it will take a long time for the case to get settled.

    It will always comes down to you pay your debt and just come up with a settlement payment with the bank. but this time it's legal na dahil meron na utos ng court. So usap pa rin kung magkano lang kaya mo monthly.

    Walang judge na gagawa na kunin.bahay mo para liquidate then bayarang CC debt mo.

    Again kunin nila kotse or bahay tapos bigay saiyo yun difference in cash kung mas malaki pa value ng properties na kukunin nila?

    Saka pag ka loan pa kotse and bahay mo? Paano nila kunin? Sila na magtuloy ng bayad sa ibang bank kung saan naka loan mga yan?

    It will always be sum of money lang I file naman mga yan and pag natalo ka which you will dahil meron ka naman talaga utang eh di monthly payment ulit


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    Are banks allowed to provide personal identifiable information like home address, home landline number, celfone number to the collection agency considering meron Data Privacy Law na?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rob*143 View Post
    Are banks allowed to provide personal identifiable information like home address, home landline number, celfone number to the collection agency considering meron Data Privacy Law na?

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    Yes they're allowed but you can always ignore them. If you don't have plan or hinde mo pa kaya bayaran huwag mo na lang sila pansinin.

    You have given then authority to divulge your informations. Kahit mga postpaid cellphone or internet. Yun privacy thing na pinapa pirma saiyo nakasulat pwede nila share.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rob*143 View Post
    Are banks allowed to provide personal identifiable information like home address, home landline number, celfone number to the collection agency considering meron Data Privacy Law na?

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    of course

    if a bank outsources debt collection to a CA, kasama lahat ng info

    the CA cannot do its job without the info diba

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    ang nagagather ko kay shadow it's called gaming the system

    since wala nakukulong sa utang, you can exploit the system, use the system to your advantage

    parang ung business practice ni Trump

    Trump is the quintessential American hustler

    he uses bankruptcy laws to his advantage

    what he does is build businesses using debt and declares bankruptcy



    Trump said "I've used the laws of this country to pare debt. ... We'll have the company. We'll throw it into a chapter. We'll negotiate with the banks. We'll make a fantastic deal. You know, it's like on The Apprentice. It's not personal. It's just business."

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    Hi guys

    for the inputs.. although di pa nya alam tlaga gagawin , on top of that ung ibang account nya sa banko bigla na hold ? pero weird lang daw kasi tatlo ung bank nya iba iba.. isa lang ung na hold for garnish daw kasi may court order? at ung na hold na un hindi pa sa orignal bank kng saan sya nag aplay noon ng CC. eh currently meron din syang open account sa bank na yun at hindi ginalaw

    Another question ung account na un for garnish.. alam ba ng CA ang laman? di ba this will fall sa bank secrecy law
    So far the next step na gagwin is to entertain na muna ung CA on how to deal ung utang wala rin naman pang abono para matanggal lung "hold" sa account nya sa banko


    wayback kasi may mga tawag at email pero since wala naman pambayad tlaga iniignore na lang kaysa magbigay ng false hope na mabayaran in the end ganon din naman mangyayari

    Now for the car naman .. how can CA tell na itong car na ito ay kanyang pag mamayari?

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    Na garnished na ba talaga? Baka naman nabasa lang niya yun letter ng CA. Natakot na siya.

    Napakabilis naman yata ng garnishment.

    Hinde ba siya na receive ng summons ng court para sa garnishment or something?

    Bakit pa siya makipagusap sa CA kung na garnish na yun isang account niya? Eh di kunin na nila yun laman.

    Tanong niya sa bank manager kung meron talaga and hanapin niya yun order ng court na na receive ng bank manager.

    Kung mga criminals hinde basta basta ma hold yun mga accounts eh siya pa.


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    Quote Originally Posted by uls View Post
    ang nagagather ko kay shadow it's called gaming the system

    since wala nakukulong sa utang, you can exploit the system, use the system to your advantage

    parang ung business practice ni Trump

    Trump is the quintessential American hustler

    he uses bankruptcy laws to his advantage

    what he does is build businesses using debt and declares bankruptcy

    Not gaming exactly but kung baon ka na sa utang sa CC and since andyan na yan then huwag na pa stress sa mga CA.

    Bayaran kung kaya mo pag hinde huwag ka na uutang para pangbayad lang sa utang.


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    Last edited by shadow; June 11th, 2023 at 02:01 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shadow View Post
    Not gaming exactly but kung baon ka na sa utang sa CC and since andyan na yan then huwag na pa stress sa mga CA.

    Bayaran kung kaya mo pag hinde huwag ka na uutang para pangbayad lang sa utang.


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    pero pwede rin gawin yan ng meron pambayad pero ayaw magbayad

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