Biodiesel Rulez!!! [continued]

[rsnald]

Greetings to all bioD users out there. Just a curious question, are you concerned that the Biofuel Act which mandates a 1% blend of CME to all diesels is somehow a tactic to slow down the growth of BioD advocates/promoters such as homebrewers/independent brewers?

Kasi isipin mo, kung pre-blended na, why buy from brewers or simply why clamor for more than 1%? This is almost implying na hanggang 1% na lang talaga ang blend unless ma-update ang law. Unless, ikaw mismo mag mix --- ang gagawa lang naman nito ay mga die hard SME users. What about the other 99% diesel users?

1% is actually a great deal for the big oil companies kasi having a CME distributor that supplies them with CME for pre-mixing is just like allowing another independent distributor like SeaOil etc in the market. Loose change kumbaga. Wouldn't make a dent on their income. This leads me to believe that we will still be highly dependent on imported oil even after this law has been passed. And, this law is going to ensure that we will always be for a looong time. Alam nyo naman, kapag naging batas na, napakatagal na namang panahon ang aantayin natin na mabago yan! This is what is bothering me. If we are truly going to aspire for some sort of oil-independence, we shouldn't be contented with the Biofuel act. Let's aim for foreign-oil independendence!

Whatyathink?

i totally disagree with this line of thinking... specially because i know some of the the goings-on and behind the scene wranglings that happened just to have the biofuel act crafted and finally passed as a law. the law was precisely put in place to mandate, or to use a more direct term, to force the petroleum companies to add 1% blend CME at the pump. The initial proposal to add 1% is to avoid the possible impact on the price and supply of coconut oil when CME-related production and consumptions spikes. this is a sort of built in protection to prevent the sudden rise in the price of coco oil w/c will make CME use costly.

the petroleum companies were totally against adding any percentage, even half a percent, even when when their foreign counterparts or their mother companies already recognize the benefits of biodiesel based on other vegetable oils. and we also have to establish the efficacy of CME vs. other biodiesels hence the initial proposal was to add only 1% (B1) which would eventually be ramped up to 5% if the initial results of B1 addition is really good.
Now as to using 100% BD, the only real hindrance to that is the price of coco oil itself. it simply is much more expensive than regular diesel fuel to start with. If only the price of coco oil is lower or almost equal to diesel, then we'd be happily all pure CME on our rides. but the next question there would be the price of methanol- another chemical feedstock needed to make CME.

kung gusto mo total independence from petroleum... imbentuhin mo yung cold fusion engine, yung parang katulad sa back to the future, kahit basura pwede mo gawing fuel












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[biogas.works]

kung gusto mo total independence from petroleum... imbentuhin mo yung cold fusion engine, yung parang katulad sa back to the future, kahit basura pwede mo gawing fuel

komusta. sorry for the long absence. as for "cold fusion" i can't resist mentioning "biogas" specially after reading this:

Four million for biogas buses in Gelderland and Zeeland
Date published: Jul 25, 2007
The Dutch Government is encouraging the implementation of environment-friendly biogas buses. A subsidy of four million euro has been allocated for the project known as Coalition Riding on Biogas (CROB)."
see: <http://gave.novem.nl/gave/index.asp?id=25&detail=1683>

basura din ang feedstock for biogas, more specifically "animal manure." many pigfarms in the philippines now produce electricity using biogas. but you and i know that is a very inefficient process.

mayor binay wants to build a biogas-to-electricity system in makati using food waste from restaurants and hotels to charge his electric jeepneys. good idea but really wasteful compared to using biogas directly as fuel.

as for the biofuels act, would you and other tsikoteers agree that diesel vehicle emissions seem lesser now? parang mas kaunti ang usok ng mga jeepney ngayon? ay, salamat!

gerry

[Hibiki]

kung gusto mo total independence from petroleum... imbentuhin mo yung cold fusion engine, yung parang katulad sa back to the future, kahit basura pwede mo gawing fuel

Thank you for the reply, sarcasm included. Just to make myself clear, i said " foreign-oil independence" not "total independence from petroleum".

[HardCharger]

Hi All!

I was informed by the supplier that the gas stations apparently use less than 1% blend

For Shell the blend is .7%, for Petron it's .8%

No results yet from test done on Caltex and other stations.

Flying V gets their CME from different sources so consistency and quality may be a problem.

Apparently the biofuels act has a clause or something that states that .7% is the minimum blend that can be used while the ideal blend is 1%

Just thought y'all ought to know.

:regards:

[biogas.works]

[SIZE=1][SIZE=2]No sarcasm intended below. Just plain INFO that we can learn from. Yesterday my post mentioned how the Dutch (Netherlands) allotted Four Million Euro for biogas-run buses. Below is an excerpt about how 11,500 vehicles in Sweden run on biogas and the practice is growing.[/SIZE] [/SIZE]

[SIZE=1]BIOGAS – a renewable fuel for the transport sector for the present and the future from: [/SIZE][SIZE=1]http://www.sgc.se/Rapporter/Resources/Biogasinfo07.pdf[/SIZE]

[SIZE=1]Biogas has been used as vehicle fuel since the beginning of the 90´s in Sweden. So far there are 30 upgrading plants in operation or construction phase, which makes Sweden a world leader in this area. Today there are over 11 500 vehicles that use methane fuel in the country. Biogas is used in large scale systems and in several cities like Kristianstad and Linköping all of the city buses run on biogas. The market for biogas as vehicle fuel is growing in Sweden and the sales increased with almost 50 % 2006 compared with 2005. [/SIZE]

It is very easy to make biogas (in the Philippines where the temperature is ideal) using animal waste from large and small pigfarms that are very abundant. The effort also helps prevent Global Warming bigtime because biogas is a very POTENT greenhouse gas.

Or, until technologies are developed for turning algae (another abundant, easy to propagate and Global Warming-friendly feedstock) into biofuels, it can be used to make biogas.

[rsnald]

Thank you for the reply, sarcasm included. Just to make myself clear, i said " foreign-oil independence" not "total independence from petroleum".

oops, sori pre, no sarcasm intended dun. perhaps my poor choice of words relayed a wrong message, pero walang intention to be sarcastic; poor attempt at humor. anyway, eto na lang siguro maidadagdag ko, the petroleum companies tried very hard to block the inclusion of biodiesel, citing safety and coco price issues. In the end, hard data and testing by the automotive companies proved the safety issues raised by the petroleum companies as incorrect or inconsequential.

[Hibiki]

oops, sori pre, no sarcasm intended dun. perhaps my poor choice of words relayed a wrong message, pero walang intention to be sarcastic; poor attempt at humor. anyway, eto na lang siguro maidadagdag ko, the petroleum companies tried very hard to block the inclusion of biodiesel, citing safety and coco price issues. In the end, hard data and testing by the automotive companies proved the safety issues raised by the petroleum companies as incorrect or inconsequential.

No worries, no harm done. Thank you for the apology.

Going back to the discussion, I do hope that sometime in the near future, we can increase the blend to maybe 5% and then 10% and so on. Do you know if the Biofuel act has provisions for this?

[rsnald]

No worries, no harm done. Thank you for the apology.

Going back to the discussion, I do hope that sometime in the near future, we can increase the blend to maybe 5% and then 10% and so on. Do you know if the Biofuel act has provisions for this?

I read the draft of the IRR (implementing rules and regulation) of the Biofuels Act of 2006. Up 2% (B2 blend) lang ang nakalagay dun as provided for by the law. And this is not yet even a certainty, kung ire-recommend lang ng National Biofuels Board two years after implementing the 1% mandatory blend (w/c started last May). It would all depend on the economics of coco oil siguro, and on the availability and technical and performance of other oil feedstocks like jathropa. maganda magnegosyo ng copra ngayon o kaya coconut plantation. Japan is looking at the Philippines as a "premium" quality source of biodiesel. BD made of coconut has been confirmed to have properties that is unique to coco oil - e.g., lower NOX emissions compared to soya and rape seed oil BD.

[biogas.works]

rsnald,

Komusta? As you know, I ran mileage tests on CME using a simulated dyno procedure to make the tests relatively accurate. Before the Biofuels Act was implemented, I was seeing mileage improvements of 5-10% on my two older vehicles when using 0.5% and 1% CME blends.

After the BioFuels Act was implemented, my observations dropped to between 0-5%. Is it possible, after the BioFuels Act was implemented, that Oil Companies discontinued adding enhancers/additives and replaced them simply with 1% CME?

If you recall, Petron announced the XCS fuels (enhanced with organic additives) just before the implementation of the BioFuels Act. This should also explain why they haven't increased prices to compensate for the additional cost of CME.

gerry

[rsebastian]

If we really want to decrease our dependency on imported fuel, the philippine government should entertain the idea of using 100% biodiesel as fuel and not just as enhancer. And we consumers should do the same. Biodiesel manufacturers on their part should focus more on their duty to community rather than on the bottom line and lower their profit. Just some wishful thinking here.

[Blackraven]

I am with you there. We should all reach the goal of 100% BIODIESEL ASAP!!!!

But let us not forget that this may not be possible within this decade.

First off, current engine & fuel lines of current diesel vehicles can only handle up to B5 (as this is the current maximum ng WWFC charter). Ibig sabihin, kung B10 (or higher) ang blend ng gagamitin, siguradong masisira ang mga fuel lines ng kotse (except for some vehicles na kaya ng up to B100 pero those are in the extreme minority sa ngayon).

Also, don't forget that the higher the blend, the more raw materials and infrastructure will be needed. Also, there must be variety of sources ng feedstock/raw materials for biodiesel if the blends will be increased (cannot be from just one source kasi this will increase food prices) as well as the fact that there must be wide area for planting the raw materials and producing it (although that part may not be a problem).

So yeah, those are the obstacles to achieveing full 100% BIODIESEL fuel. But once the obstacles have been achieved (siguro by 2020 hopefully), then B100 will become a reality.

[rsebastian]

Thanks Blackraven for your support.

I'd like to make a suggestion. If the fuel lines are keeping you from using 100% biodiesel, I suggest replacing them with realiable cheap braided chemical hose one can buy from the autosupply store. They would have to be replaced anyway at some point in time.

I'd like to report to the forum that we've distributed over 6000 liters of 100% biodiesel to vehicles ranging from jepneys, delivery vans, revos, fx's, starex, crosswinds, pajeros, delicas etc. And they keep coming back. No reports of failed fuel lines, injector pumps nor engines so far.

Best regards to everyone.

[4JGtootsie]

RS,

Parang ok yung 100%. Do you have a gas station or filling station? Location?

[Hibiki]

I also agree that the end goal should be B100. Personally, I would start with B20 then work my way up.

Like rsnald, I would like to know if you know where we can get them?

In addition, do you have a recommended realiable cheap braided chemical hose that I can use to replace my fuel lines? I don't know which ones are Biodiesel-compatible. From the Internet, there was a mention of Goodyear Flexsteel, Ambassador, BC Gasoline and BC Marina as BD compatible.

[rsebastian]

Fuego4x2 and 4Gjtootsie,

The braided chemical hose I'm referring to are exactly those you can find in an autosupply store. It's a transparent bluish plastic hose reinforced with braided polyethylene (PE) strands so that it can withstand high pressure. From what my friend told me, it's made polyvinylchloride (PVC) plastic and should be compatible with diesel, gasoline, acids, bases, etc. We use as fuel lines for B100 and we haven't experienced any propblems. In fact, we used a 1 and 1/4 inch braided chemical hose in my friends biodiesel processor in his garage. It's constantly exposed for hours to harsh conditions and to biodiesel itself once the reaction is complete.

My friend and I have a small shop were people can fill up. We keeps the cost down using used cooking oil. He says it's the same as using fresh oil as mpurities are removed during processing.

Using used cooking oil, in our humble opinion, is better than using fresh oil in many ways aside from the fact that biodiesel lowers emmisions. By using used cooking oil, we don't compete with food supplies. We prevent used cooking oil from being recycled into fying oil for chicharon, and into ingredient in livestock feeds. Do you know what gets into cooking oil after it's used? ...dead mice, flies, cockroaches, insects, animal dropings and everything you can imagine. This may be the reason why they have this outbreak of hog pest in farms in Bulacan.They just mix used cooking oil into the feedstuff with all the said goodies. Yummy!

Best to everyone.

[alchemy101]

beep beep.
Im just new here sirs.
Agree with the waste cooking oil as raw mat for BD sirs, my guess is that this way the carcinogens and unknown products dumped with the waste oil dont end up back to the food chain. im not sure if bioaccumulation is sort of prevented this way.
anyone know where to sell the glycerine?
thanks and Godspeed

[biogas.works]

As you know, I've long been a biofuels enthusiast. As we Filipinos find alternative fuels to reduce our dependence on depleted oil supplies and to mitigate green house gases (GHG) that cause Global Warming, may I suggest we make sure the biofuels we tap are best suited for our country.

Specifically, I refer to the following research:

Ethanol, schmethanol (The Economist, Sept. 29, 2007, page 80) saying:
"everyone may be wrong in thinking ethanol is a good way to make cars greener"
See: http://www.economist.com/science/displaystory.cfm?story_id=9861379

Jatropha: What the public should know (The Philippine Daily Inquirer, Sept. 8, 2007) where:
A group of agriculturists (UP Los Banos professors) warn that jatropha proponents are " peddling misleading information as facts." The professors "advise people to study the facts first before going into jatropha farming."
See: http://opinion.inquirer.net/inquireropinion/talkofthetown/view_article.php?article_id=87461

BAR leads biofuels R&D program (The Philippine Star, Oct. 7, 2007, page B4) reporting that:
"BAR will continue to support R&D activities to improve biofuel production " from " sweet sorghum, coconut, cassava, sugarcane, corn and jatropha ."

Unfortunately, in my observation of Philippine efforts: we continue to overlook biogas - the most eco-friendly of all renewable and alternative biofuels . Its abundance, easy and cheap to produce qualities, especially in the Philippines, does not seem to matter.

Most pig farms are already producing biogas in massive quantities. Instead of using it as fuel, they emit biogas as a potent GHG into our atmosphere (making Global Warming worse) and they spill it into waterways (making our waterways toxic to both humans and marine life.)

Biogas is already available. All we have to do is collect it! Biofuels from crops have to be planted, harvested and then processed in expensive facilities that do not yet exist locally. Some of these facilities even have to be invented first.

Please look at Nepal's Biogas Sector Partnership (formerly Biogas Support Programme).
See: http://www.bspnepal.org.np/introduction.htm

Despite Nepal's extreme weather; a livestock industry that does not include swine for religious reasons; and, a CDM (Clean Development Mechanism) baseline that only provides 1/2 of usual incentives (when cow dung is used in lieu of pig manure), Nepal has been able to build over 150,000 home biogas systems. What's more, 19,396 units are CDM eligible. They mitigate 93,883 tons of CO2 emissions that can be sold in the carbon market for up to U$2.06 Million per year * U$22/tCO2e.
See: http://cdm.unfccc.int/Projects/projsearch.html

Let us put up a biogas program that covers the many backyard pigfarms operating as cottage industries in our rural communities . Commercial pig farms need not be included as they are already getting vast amounts of "FREE" electricity and reaping CDM benefits from their biogas systems.

Using Region 3 as an example, where 10,000 home biogas systems are an easy objective, a potential mitigation of 15 tCO2e/yr/unit (compared to Nepal's 7 tCO2e/yr/unit) can generate up to U$2.2 Million annually from carbon trading (even if they are sold only at half of prevailing prices.) These funds can be used to sustain the program and/or fund research into other biofuels.

Let us save our precious petrodollars and avail of Kyoto Protocol incentives under the CDM program before they lapse in 2012. I can help coordinate efforts on this. I also recommend 5 cubic meter Home Biogas Systems I designed that can be built for P10,000 or less for this project.

Some countries use biogas as vehicle fuel.

More clean power and mabuhay to all!

Gerry
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Gerardo P. Baron
Phone: +63 927 407 1142
Email: biofuels.work*gmail.com
Website: www.biofuelswork.com

[scharnhorst]

Jatropha: What the public should know (The Philippine Daily Inquirer, Sept. 8, 2007) where:
A group of agriculturists (UP Los Banos professors) warn that jatropha proponents are " peddling misleading information as facts." The professors "advise people to study the facts first before going into jatropha farming."
See: http://opinion.inquirer.net/inquireropinion/talkofthetown/view_article.php?article_id=87461

people should really read this carefully. I am not buying 152 pesos/liter biodiesel if the current rate for bd100 is 125 pesos per liter.

dami nang "introduced species" bloopers ang pilipinas (golden apple snail, janitor fishes, catfishes, gobies sa lake lanao, etc etc.), let's not add jatropha to it.

[biogas.works]

The most interesting aspect of BIOGAS, compared to jatropha, ethanol & others that have to be planted, harvested and processed in facilities that have-to-built first, is that we are producing huge quantities of biogas right now.

And, because we are not collecting it:

1. it escapes into the atmosphere as a very toxic Greenhouse Gas (GHG) to worsen Global Warming and
2. we are deprived of huge financial incentives from Annex 1 countries in the international fight against Global Warming.

Biogas is renewable, "FREE" and eco-friendly. It can be collected, scrubbed and compressed for use as vehicle fuel. Google "biogas vehicles" and see for yourself how many countries are already using it.

If scrubbing and compressing is too complex, expensive and un-available at this time, using biogas for cooking, heating and air-conditioning will also save precious petro-dollars. In addition, this effort can earn lotsa $$$$'s from Carbon Trading and the carbon market.

Ethanol, jatropha & others are good biofuels that we need to develop. In the meantime, however, let us not overlook biogas that is actually "poisoning" us slowly simply because we are ignoring it.

Let us instead, collect and use biogas to save our petrodollars and earn $$$'s from Carbon Trading.

[silicon]

Sorry for my ignorance... but can CRDi's (Kia Carens) handle 10% biodiesel? Thanks!