GAS or DIESEL [Merged]

[pissword]

ahh fullsize na ata ang classification ng everest eh.. quite big nga talaga more than 6meters ang turning radius(too big ata to ah) baka diameter hehe

[al_motor]

i used to drive a diesel AUV M/T...averaged about 6-7kms/liter. but the ride comfort? nada. plus no respect and courtesy from other drivers.

i now drive a honda odyssey (subic version pero rack is new...accord based eh)...much more comfy and POWERFUL, cheaper price of admission though my consumption is about 5.5kms/liter. parts so far have not been a pain in the neck insofar as availability is concerned (parts can be taken from an accord or CRV), and the space is really good.

a 1st gen odyssey is worth looking at before considering a gas-powered innova. powerwise mas malakas. i think gas consumption will just be the same--if not, offset na naman ng initial cost eh. interior is just as plush, if not as modern. the stowaway seats at the back are more space efficient--fold flat like the jazz and zafira. moreover, the conversion is rather safe and doesn't look obtrusive. wiper assembly doesn't even need conversion!!! headlights and steering column switches lang and prob.

[jimaroquai]

Hello!

Everytime I drop by sa gas station eh hindi ko maiwasan na imonitor ang difference ng gas sa diesel. As of today ang difference is only Php 1.70 ng diesel at xtra.

Sa dami ng mga naglabasan na diesel engine vehicles at sa dami ng mga nag shift sa diesel siguro by this time mas malaki na ang proportion ng diesel owners kaysa sa gas.

Its true na diesel engines are more expensive pero more fuel efficient. Pero ang tanong sa mga diesel engine owners...hindi ba kayo nababahala or natatakot na baka bumaligtad ang situwasyon? That is, mas tataas ang halaga ng diesel katulad sa States due to the Law of Supply and Demand?

Moreover, sa palagay ninyo eh sufficient na ang Php 1.70 to Php 3.00 savings per liter ninyo sa diesel to cover up yung expenses ng inyong maintenance?

Lets face it, hindi na katulad noon na ang difference ng diesel at gas ay around Php 7-8 pesos. Noon sure ako na sufficient ang savings pero ngayon hindi na ako sure. Pero dahil sa trending ng panahon I decided to stick sa gas powered engine coz by a year or two most likely pareho na ang presyo ng ating gas at diesel. Lamang lang ang gas sa comfort, engine response at maintenance. Ano sa palagay ninyo?

[ian_rex]

sir, to answer your question. oo, tama ka. konti na lang ang difference ng diesel at gas in terms of pump prices. nagkakatalo lang talaga sila sa fuel efficiency. mas mataas ang thermal efficiency ng diesel engine kesa sa gas engine. sa maintenance, mas ok ang diesel kasi heavy duty ito. and torquey, by the way. mas magamit ang torque sa low-end rpm, lalo at stop and go traffic. in this regard ang diesel panalo. imagine the torque of a diesel to a gas, well it is stunning. take for example these two engines: d15y7 (civic lxi, 106hp*6400rpm, 13.8 kg-m *3800 rpm) 1.5L, 4jhtc-1 (130hp*3400rpm, 28.5 kg-m *2000 rpm) 3.0L TDIC. alam mo ba ang fuel consumption ng diesel is much better than the 1.5L gas engine? average ang 12 km/L sa diesel while sa gas naman 9-10 km/L on combined (based on my own rides) highway and city driving. constrained ako sa 2000 rpm limit lagi, 80 km/h sa highway.

saan ka pa? wala lang opinion lang po.





sa

[zeagle]

I'd go for gas nowadays. Like what you said, there is not much difference. I used to have an Isuzu Trooper and I would spend around P5k for the 5000km pms intervals as compared to my current ride now which is an Xtrail and would spend only P2k-3k. On the 20k km pms, Isuzu charged me P15k since they have to replace a lot of things. I just had my 20k km pms of my Xtrail and I spent only P3k. Indeed, you get better milegae with the diesel but I think it is still a lot cheaper over all to maintain a gas. Unless you go up the mountains a lot or pull your jetskis hehe, you don't need the torque advantage of a diesel. However, in Europe, diesel engines are the prefrerred engines because it easily passes the Euro emmission requirements. A well maintained diesel engine is safer for the environment.

[Altis123]

...However, in Europe, diesel engines are the prefrerred engines because it easily passes the Euro emmission requirements. A well maintained diesel engine is safer for the environment...

I will agree to this as long as the cars I drive and the cars I see on the road are mostly BMW, Mercedes Benz, Audi, Opel, and Volvo.

[Bogeyman]

I live in the mountains, so prudence dictates I get a diesel, and I have yet to regret that decision. Diesel engines are more suitable for racing, because they are already built to withstand more stress than gas engines. While an average gas engine can last 125,000 miles before requiring a complete overhaul, a diesel engine can last more than three times as long. And don't forget, diesel engines were originally developed to run on vegetable oil, so they have the inherent advantage when the time comes to look for alternatives to petroleum-based fuels.

I'd go for gas nowadays. Like what you said, there is not much difference. I used to have an Isuzu Trooper and I would spend around P5k for the 5000km pms intervals as compared to my current ride now which is an Xtrail and would spend only P2k-3k. On the 20k km pms, Isuzu charged me P15k since they have to replace a lot of things. I just had my 20k km pms of my Xtrail and I spent only P3k.

Not to flame or anything, but based on the experiences of two people I know, Isuzu engines leave much to be desired in the cost-effectivity department. Dapat lang siguro na fuel efficient sila; you'll definitely be needing every penny you saved when the time comes to have an Isuzu diesel engine repaired.

[trader]

sir, to answer your question. oo, tama ka. konti na lang ang difference ng diesel at gas in terms of pump prices. nagkakatalo lang talaga sila sa fuel efficiency. mas mataas ang thermal efficiency ng diesel engine kesa sa gas engine. sa maintenance, mas ok ang diesel kasi heavy duty ito. and torquey, by the way. mas magamit ang torque sa low-end rpm, lalo at stop and go traffic. in this regard ang diesel panalo. imagine the torque of a diesel to a gas, well it is stunning. take for example these two engines: d15y7 (civic lxi, 106hp*6400rpm, 13.8 kg-m *3800 rpm) 1.5L, 4jhtc-1 (130hp*3400rpm, 28.5 kg-m *2000 rpm) 3.0L TDIC. alam mo ba ang fuel consumption ng diesel is much better than the 1.5L gas engine? average ang 12 km/L sa diesel while sa gas naman 9-10 km/L on combined (based on my own rides) highway and city driving. constrained ako sa 2000 rpm limit lagi, 80 km/h sa highway.

saan ka pa? wala lang opinion lang po.








sa

Uhm, I think we are comparing apples to oranges here. There is no comparison between a 1.5l gas engine and a 3.0l turbo diesel. The initial cost of acquisition alone would easily throw of any comparative value.

[ian_rex]

Uhm, I think we are comparing apples to oranges here. There is no comparison between a 1.5l gas engine and a 3.0l turbo diesel. The initial cost of acquisition alone would easily throw of any comparative value.

sir with all due respect, i'm referring to the fuel consumption of the two (that is "apple" and "orange" to you). of course there is no comparisson, but as the thread starter was asking, which of the two was more efficient. but as a basis as this thread as concerned, the mention of such is necessary to point out the view of other posters. in my case, i have the advantage of having to say my opinion on which is much better for me. if it concerns you, my point is, i took the on power-to-weight ratio vs. efficiency as my basis of comparisson of the two.

"the initial cost of acquisition?" i beg your pardon what do mean by this? is it the pump price of the fuel?

[trader]

sir with all due respect, i'm referring to the fuel consumption of the two (that is "apple" and "orange" to you). of course there is no comparisson, but as the thread starter was asking, which of the two was more efficient. but as a basis as this thread as concerned, the mention of such is necessary to point out the view of other posters. in my case, i have the advantage of having to say my opinion on which is much better for me. if it concerns you, my point is, i took the on power-to-weight ratio vs. efficiency as my basis of comparisson of the two.

"the initial cost of acquisition?" i beg your pardon what do mean by this? is it the pump price of the fuel?

Just wanted to highlight the price difference between acquiring a 3.0l diesel against a 1.5l gas. Though it may be true that at times a 3.0l diesel engine may be more efficient than a 1.5l gas engine the efficiency savings will only make sense if you are a high mileage user. Presuming we are talking about brand new vehicles, this can translate to anywhere between 400K to more than a million depending on which vehicle. Not trying to disagree with you, just wanted to present things another way. Cheers.

[Innova_Boy]

well mas maganda pa rin talaga ang gas in the coming year, kasi baka magpantay na ang price nila..

[OTEP]

Basta marunong ka mag-alaga. Makakatipid ka sa diesel in terms of maintenance. Sa 4d56, you can use commercial truck parts and the engine can be serviced almost anywhere. Even with limited mechanical knowledge, you can work on a diesel.

Yes, mas efficient ang diesel. If diesel and gas na same displacement, mas matipid pa din ang diesel.

Diesels are also more tolerant of abuse based on my experience. They are inherently simpler with less parts to break.

[ian_rex]

also, less complicated by comparisson. yung mga gas engines ngayon, sasakit ang ulo mo kapag nagkaroon ng mechanical problems. di mo pa basta maisugod sa baha. i used to believe na diesel is no good... until we had our diesel pick-up ayun. nagbago lahat ng tingin ko sa diesel, although minsan i enjoy pa rin ang gas.

[cardo]

I think it depends on the car... kung 4li V6(v6 ba?) diesel landcruiser or 3 liter diesel premium SUV I think maintenance cost would surely be high.

The explorer is gas but its certainly not fuel frugal and maintenance cost is surely not average. But generally, you'd get more mileage with the diesel. Its why we also got a diesel pickup. Its something to throw around and abuse for the daily driver... while the gas powered car is used on weekend getaways with the family or for those long arduous drives up north(or south ) because comfort is certainly the strong point of gas powered cars.

In europe I think the price of the diesel is the same with petrol, which is why diesel subcompacts are very popular there. Of course its also because of the narrow curvy streets hehehe

[ray_isuzumakati]

Obvious Diesel Ako, Isuzu Kami And We Don't Have Gas Models! But The Common Complain In Smoke Belching Boils Down To Our Quality Of Diesel... At Any Rate Have You Test-drived An Alterra 3.0 Iteq 146 Hp Engine That Is Euroiii Compliant... You Are All Invited! Isa-isa Lang.. Just Bring Your Valid Driver's License. See You! Ray * Isuzu Makati

[ian_rex]

Obvious Diesel Ako, Isuzu Kami And We Don't Have Gas Models! But The Common Complain In Smoke Belching Boils Down To Our Quality Of Diesel... At Any Rate Have You Test-drived An Alterra 3.0 Iteq 146 Hp Engine That Is Euroiii Compliant... You Are All Invited! Isa-isa Lang.. Just Bring Your Valid Driver's License. See You! Ray * Isuzu Makati

sir, talaga pwede mag-test drive ng alterra? pa-sched ako. :D by the way sir, Isuzu Makati? ito rin ba yung Gencars sa pasong tamo?

[111prez]

i choose diesel for a practical reason

in many of the out of the way places here in the philippines, you will rarely see a gas station selling unleaded fuel

but diesel is readily available

[qman]

sa trend ng oil pricing ngayon pag di nagbago dapat bago magpasko bumaba pa ang presyo ng diesel.

[GlennSter]

it's not a question of whats the better type of engine...
it's a m atter of choosing an engine type that is SUITABLE FOR YOUR LIFESTYLE.

[ian_rex]

it's not a question of whats the better type of engine...
it's a m atter of choosing an engine type that is SUITABLE FOR YOUR LIFESTYLE.

acknowledged sir glenster. the very reason i shifted to diesel from gas. i choose to be practical.