Auto-LPG Conversion Thread

[ghosthunter]

Sir ghosthunter - is a liter equals to a kg (volume to weight) most signs (price boards) that I see are usually Kg and I wanted to compute on savings or price diff of gas and lpg. Thanks

nope... 1L of LPG is lighter than 1kg.

1L LPG = 0.51kg from http://www.langegas.com/gasle.htm

but if you want to compute your gasoline vs LPG savings, you will have to use fuel mileage of gasoline vs LPG, not just simple cost per liter.

[edtf]

nope... 1L of LPG is lighter than 1kg.

1L LPG = 0.51kg from http://www.langegas.com/gasle.htm

but if you want to compute your gasoline vs LPG savings, you will have to use fuel mileage of gasoline vs LPG, not just simple cost per liter.

Ok thanks!! Yup planning to do mileage too

[edtf]

Mga Sirs/Maam, My friend is interested with converting his car. Who are the reliable converters now a days? Can you guys recommend one who is reliable and who has good after service - thanks.

[johnsquare]

I do not have a good experience with NAIADS personnel, they tend not to be real honest on how they check the engine. I prefer "Ambient" tartarini on Scout Borromeo near ABS-CBN area. 18k lang ang qoute nila sa akin. mine is a 1.5 carb type nissan

[edtf]

I do not have a good experience with NAIADS personnel, they tend not to be real honest on how they check the engine. I prefer "Ambient" tartarini on Scout Borromeo near ABS-CBN area. 18k lang ang qoute nila sa akin. mine is a 1.5 carb type nissan

Thanks! since when did you have it converted? No smell or leaks?

[johnsquare]

just a few days ago will try to update on how my car is performing.
another thing i don't like about NAIADS is that they don't tell everything you need to know.

me: sir, paano nyo po malalaman kung ok ang makina for conversion?
NAIADS: dalhin nyo n lng sa shop sir!
me: gusto ko kasi malaman kung papaayos ko muna, meron bang kelangan icheck like plugs at filter?
NAIADS: basta sir, dalhin nyo n lng. madali lang po ayusin yan!.....

no matter how much i try to ask what is needed to maintain a good engine, they just won't speak out.

so far no leaks or smell whatsoever, singawin daw mga ang NAIADS installation, tho of course we can't really trust negative comments from rival parties

[ghosthunter]

my LPG kit is from NAIADSS ... no problems except once where they simply tightened a nut to stop a slow leak of LPG. This was after a few months of the system working fine.

Generally my experience with NAIADSS is okay.

[carbomb]

lpg is much cheaper than your usual gasoline purchases. let us assume that you are really saving enough but the question is safety. prone sa mga leaks ang kit, maamoy pa sa loob ng auto. sa tingin mo mas mahalaga ang pagtitipid na yan kung ang kapalit eh kalusugan ng mga mahal mo sa buhay like mga anak o asawa mo? ok lang ba sa inyong malanghap ng mga anak nyo ang amoy ng nag le leak na lpg? kaya mo bang isakripisyo buhay ng mga mahal mo para sa pagtitipid mo? my point is very questionable pa ang lpg convertion sa pinas kc di pa nila na ma master ang convertion safety kaya medyo delikado. sa opinion di pa aabot pambayad ng hospital bills ang mga natipid mo sa lpg convertion.

[mambo]

lpg is much cheaper than your usual gasoline purchases. let us assume that you are really saving enough but the question is safety. prone sa mga leaks ang kit, maamoy pa sa loob ng auto. sa tingin mo mas mahalaga ang pagtitipid na yan kung ang kapalit eh kalusugan ng mga mahal mo sa buhay like mga anak o asawa mo? ok lang ba sa inyong malanghap ng mga anak nyo ang amoy ng nag le leak na lpg? kaya mo bang isakripisyo buhay ng mga mahal mo para sa pagtitipid mo? my point is very questionable pa ang lpg convertion sa pinas kc di pa nila na ma master ang convertion safety kaya medyo delikado. sa opinion di pa aabot pambayad ng hospital bills ang mga natipid mo sa lpg convertion.

Correct. I feel like whoever use this is a guinea pig. Scary.. sa bahay nga sumasabog ang LPG. How much more kung lagi itong exposed sa high temperature.O kaya sumasakay ka sa jeep, booom!

[ghosthunter]

Correct. I feel like whoever use this is a guinea pig. Scary.. sa bahay nga sumasabog ang LPG. How much more kung lagi itong exposed sa high temperature.O kaya sumasakay ka sa jeep, booom!

The tank is been crashed tested and heat tested as well. Typical LPG tanks for automotive and household use have been regularly exposed to the hot sun for hours with no problems what so ever.

Ignorance doesn't solve anything. "Carbomb's" suspicions on the safety aspect of LPG fuelled vehicles is something like how some people viewed the first few internal combustion engines as compared to the "normal" steam engines of the time.

Such fuel systems have been in use for years in other countries like Australia which have summers with even hotter temperatures than in Metro Manila. Are we going to let someone else's ignorance of the obvious facts brag you backwards from progress?

[enzo18]

sir GH, anyone,
i've gone through the whole thread kaya lang di ko na ulit makita yung tungkol sa closed loop. may i ask if:
1. closed loop kit won't need adjustment on the 'degrees' of timing, calculated na yung lpg/air mixture?
2. pag umakyat ng baguio o tagaytay kahit all the way LPG ok lang?

[ghosthunter]

sir GH, anyone,
i've gone through the whole thread kaya lang di ko na ulit makita yung tungkol sa closed loop. may i ask if:
1. closed loop kit won't need adjustment on the 'degrees' of timing, calculated na yung lpg/air mixture?

Well, actually depends. Generally you don't need to adjust the ignition timing but to get better performance under LPG, you would still need to adjust the ignition timing. You engine will run fine with gasoline and LPG with factory stock timing.

2. pag umakyat ng baguio o tagaytay kahit all the way LPG ok lang?

I have driven my LPG fueled corolla a/t all the way to baguio. My only problem was when I got to Baguio, the engine was running a bit rough since I needed to re-adjust my fuel flow to compensate for the thinner air in Baguio (it was running a rich mixture). Since I was only staying in Baguio overnight, I decided just to switch over to gasoline while in Baguio City.

[enzo18]

I have driven my LPG fueled corolla a/t all the way to baguio. My only problem was when I got to Baguio, the engine was running a bit rough since I needed to re-adjust my fuel flow to compensate for the thinner air in Baguio (it was running a rich mixture). Since I was only staying in Baguio overnight, I decided just to switch over to gasoline while in Baguio City.

another Q sir GH,
while in baguio (and the air is thinner), ok lang gamitin ang LPG kung naka closed loop system na? meaning hindi na magiging rough ang takbo ng engine dahil sa closed loop?

[ghosthunter]

lpg is much cheaper than your usual gasoline purchases. let us assume that you are really saving enough but the question is safety. prone sa mga leaks ang kit, maamoy pa sa loob ng auto. sa tingin mo mas mahalaga ang pagtitipid na yan kung ang kapalit eh kalusugan ng mga mahal mo sa buhay like mga anak o asawa mo? ok lang ba sa inyong malanghap ng mga anak nyo ang amoy ng nag le leak na lpg? kaya mo bang isakripisyo buhay ng mga mahal mo para sa pagtitipid mo? my point is very questionable pa ang lpg convertion sa pinas kc di pa nila na ma master ang convertion safety kaya medyo delikado. sa opinion di pa aabot pambayad ng hospital bills ang mga natipid mo sa lpg convertion.

So if you doubt the safety of using LPG as a whole, then you should also stop using LPG to cook your food at home. IN fact the you spend more hours at home than in the car, yet you don't show and certain symptoms of whatever effects of LPG seems to say something, right?

You let your loved ones sleep under the same roof as your have your LPG tank, yet you don't give a second thought about it. Often times the gas hose from the tank to the stove is installed by people with little experience (as compared to trained technicians who install auto-LPG kits). Yet you still sleep so soundly at night.

You say there are proven medical sickness which can be attributed to auto-LPG. Maybe you can share you knowledge in that? ... Maybe you can mention the medical problems with regular LPG use? BTW, I assume you have a medical degree to back up your claims, right?

So, CARBOMB, what is your personal experience in terms of auto-LPG? ... Have you regularly driven or ridden in some to have any first hand experience? Or is this simply your personal opinion without any actual facts to prove it right or wrong?

[carbomb]

So if you doubt the safety of using LPG as a whole, then you should also stop using LPG to cook your food at home. IN fact the you spend more hours at home than in the car, yet you don't show and certain symptoms of whatever effects of LPG seems to say something, right?

You let your loved ones sleep under the same roof as your have your LPG tank, yet you don't give a second thought about it. Often times the gas hose from the tank to the stove is installed by people with little experience (as compared to trained technicians who install auto-LPG kits). Yet you still sleep so soundly at night.

You say there are proven medical sickness which can be attributed to auto-LPG. Maybe you can share you knowledge in that? ... Maybe you can mention the medical problems with regular LPG use? BTW, I assume you have a medical degree to back up your claims, right?

So, CARBOMB, what is your personal experience in terms of auto-LPG? ... Have you regularly driven or ridden in some to have any first hand experience? Or is this simply your personal opinion without any actual facts to prove it right or wrong?

wow grabe! ang laki naman ata ng pinagkaiba ng auto sa bahay no o baka dealer ka rin ng lpg kaya ka ganyan. sa experience, yes nakasakay na ko ng lpg converted car yun nga lang di ako nagmamaneho at masasabi ko talagang may kakaibang amoy akong nalalanghap sa loob ng auto. hindi ko alam kung anong risk factor ang meron sa exposure sa lpg o prolonged inhalation ng lpg pero as a father, di ko masisikmurang paupuin sa loob ng sasakyang pinapatakbo ng lpg ang mag ina ko para lang makatipid ako ng kakarampot na sa tingin ko eh di pa aabot pang ospital ng pamilya ko once na tamaan sila ng kung ano mang sakit na makukuha nila sa lpg exposure. at isa pa, ang bahay kahit may lpg, di kaagad agad sasabog hanggat di na eexpose sa extreme heat, pero ang kotseng pinaandar ng lpg.......God Bless You and your family..... sana nga makatipid kayo.

[OTEP]

LPG or gasoline, both are combustible and both are relatively dangerous.

A faulty fuel system on a gas or diesel vehicle can also produce fumes in the cabin (for those wondering why I smell like diesel when I show up for work in the blue Benz).

I don't really get it why LPG gets such a bad rap. If the LPG fuel system was neglected or improperly installed, yes it can cause problems. But I've tried vehicles with properly installed systems and they are at par with their single-fuel counterparts.

These are man made machines. You need the correct components, proper installation and proper maintenance to keep everything rosy.

I don't have an LPG vehicle but I like the idea of a flex fuel (LPG/gas) circa '01 Sentra Exalta.

[ghosthunter]

wow grabe! ang laki naman ata ng pinagkaiba ng auto sa bahay no

Nope. if we narrow it down it's almost the same. Both have LPG being used at home and in the car. Both use the fuel daily. Both locations are where you and your loved ones stay for long hours in a given week. A LPG leak at home is just as problematic in a car (actually less problematic in a car since leaked LPG would simply dissipate while LPG leaks at home have resulted in explosions). In fact, recently in the news a LPG leak in a laundry shop resulted in a pretty big explosion which tore up much of the shop. So we should now ban LPG from domestic use because of such?

o baka dealer ka rin ng lpg kaya ka ganyan.

I could reverse the tables and say you work for a gasoline dealer in which auto-LPG has reduced a certain sizable percentage of it's total monthly sales. Let's just say I am a businessman but not in the fuel sector. But since I do need to get around the city quite a bit, my fuel bills are now lower as compared to when I was still burning gasoline.

sa experience, yes nakasakay na ko ng lpg converted car yun nga lang di ako nagmamaneho at masasabi ko talagang may kakaibang amoy akong nalalanghap sa loob ng auto.

I also have ridden in some taxis (before auto-LPG) where I could smell gasoline fumes in the cabin. Yet I don't see any people crying out to ban gasoline nor saying about the bad effects of the extended exposure of such to your general health.

BTW, I don't think you riding in an LPG power taxi makes you an expert about auto-LPG and LPG as a whole. If it dones, then I should be a certified aircraft mechanic by now and be in the roster for astronaut training.

The point here is people are so afraid of ANYTHING new and do not understand about so much that they would create myths and rumors around their unfounded fears and ignorance.

hindi ko alam kung anong risk factor ang meron sa exposure sa lpg o prolonged inhalation ng lpg pero as a father, di ko masisikmurang paupuin sa loob ng sasakyang pinapatakbo ng lpg ang mag ina ko para lang makatipid ako ng kakarampot na sa tingin ko eh di pa aabot pang ospital ng pamilya ko once na tamaan sila ng kung ano mang sakit na makukuha nila sa lpg exposure.

Ever considered about the prolonged exposure to exhaust fumes as a whole? Gasoline and diesel exhaust has been with us for decades but the level of pollution in the city we live in has gotten to pretty bad levels. This has resulted in health problems like respiratory asthma and skin asthma. Simply regularly breathling the city air can result into this, especially the younger ones among us (our children).

Yet here you are complaining about fuel which is actually cleaner than gasoline and diesel. This (if used widely enough) could actually result in cleaner air. But shame on me if it would conflict with your personal belief that LPG powered vehicles are the spawn of the devil or something in that direction.

at isa pa, ang bahay kahit may lpg, di kaagad agad sasabog hanggat di na eexpose sa extreme heat, pero ang kotseng pinaandar ng lpg.......

Even a car exposed a whole sunny cloudless day will not even reach anywhere near ignition temperatures of LPG nor to the bursting temperatures of the tank itself. And auto-LPG tanks have a higher design specification than the one used at home.

Case in point, taxis regularly drive around the city under the blazing hot sun. So far no tanks have blown up. Another case, my car does gets to be parked under the sun for hours yet the LPG system works fine.

Cite me an example where an auto-LPG tank blew up due to the sun's heat alone.

[rv]

very well said sir ghosthunter no one can dispute that

[edtf]

LPG is denser than air kaya it won't dissipate - So if you have a leak at home the LPG would still remain indoors waiting for a match to be lit or some static spark or choke someone to death. With sub standard tanks for cooking LPG floating around it might even be safer to sit in a car with an LPG tank designed for the car. It has been heat and impact tested for the user's safety.

Use kits that are from reputable converters and have it checked often. LPG as fuel for vehicles has been accepted around the world na.

[carbomb]

With sub standard tanks for cooking LPG floating around it might even be safer to sit in a car with an LPG tank designed for the car. It has been heat and impact tested for the user's safety.

Use kits that are from reputable converters and have it checked often. LPG as fuel for vehicles has been accepted around the world na.

ok. time will tell us. let us wait for the big event to happen then i'll go back to reply on this thread.