Auto-LPG Conversion Thread

[fastlane]

Sir hybrid, nag walk-in lang ako sa NAIADSS. Sorry, I forgot to mention na pinapaiwan nila yung original na OR/ CR mo at makukuha mo siya once fully paid. Pwede ko naman daw hiramin sa kanila yun kung kinakailangan. Mayroon lang silang pinirmahan sa aking document na ni-receive nila yung orig OR/CR ko.

May 1 year free tuning and service din yung LPG installation nila. Just go there sa shop nila sa Pioneer cor Sheridan st. Look for Jeffrey Salongga or yung marketing executive nila na si Tom.

[ghosthunter]

do they offer the installment scheme to walk-in clients? or do you know them for them to accept your checks?

At NAIADSS, they accepted my personal check.

[meledson]

Sana may magandang incentives para sa mga nag convert to use LPG.

http://www.philstar.com/index.php?Bu...aid=2007111531

More cars seen shifting to LPG as fuel source
By Ted P. Torres
Friday, November 16, 2007
More auto vehicles are expected to convert to the use of liquefied petroleum gas (LPG) as fuel source as crude oil prices remain high.

The LPG Industry Association (LPGIA) said the number of auto-LPG converted units will expand to a maximum of 5,500 units out of the estimated 52,000 taxi and utility vehicles nationwide, excluding the 10,000 units converted since last year.

Likewise, the number of fueling stations offering auto-LPG has risen to nearly 100 as of end-October.

In a statement, the LPGIA said auto-LPG is the most economical alternative fuel in the market, considering the continuous increase in world oil prices. Global oil remained in the $96 per barrel level for high grade class and over $87 per barrel for Dubai crude, which is the main source for the Philippines.

The trade association likewise said 12.4 million vehicles in more than 50 countries already run on auto-LPG, which includes France, Italy, Australia and the United States.

In Asia, the Philippines, along with India, South Korea and Japan are leading the way for the wider adoption of auto-LPG.

Meanwhile, the LPGIA will hold a national convention on Nov. 22 to discuss further improvements in the use of LPG as well as encourage policies that would increase its use in the Philippines.

The summit will provide opportunities where regulations, standards on automotive LPG cylinders, requirements and procedures on dispensing stations and guidelines on the registration of vehicles using automotive LPG will be discussed.

The LPGIA said that they have invited representatives from the Department of Trade and Industry’s Bureau of Product Standards (DTI-BPS), the Department of Energy (DOE), the Department of Transportation and Communication (DOTC) and the Land Transportation Office (LTO) to join the summit.

Manufacturers, importers, suppliers, distributors, converters, service providers, motorists, local government units, consumer organizations and other stakeholders of the auto-LPG industry are expected to attend the summit.

[webmiester]

look people. converting your car to lpg right now plus the continous rising of it's price in the world market is = to savings? i didnt say that i am againsts the use of lpg. what i am trying to say is that i am not in favor to convert my car to lpg. simple as that. why? it is because that i am not into it right now due to still skyrocketing prices of fuels and that includes the lpg. i believe that the convertion will not totally help me because the return of my investment shall take more than a year or even years due to high cost of convertion plus unstable prices of lpg in our market.

Yes, I understand your point. Actually, the factors to consider is not just the Return on Investment (ROI) based on savings on fuel costs. It may take 2 years to recover the price of the kit from fuel savings, for instance. During the 2 years you spent "saving" for the device, the same amount of money may have been invested properly and it would have earned as from 6% to as much as 30-60% interest earnings... So in the long run, you would still be "spending" more.

Of course, if recovery time is a lot less (perhaps because the person using the car needs to use it more, such as those in taxi business), then the recovery can be a lot shorter, and thus, the savings can start sooner.

[ghosthunter]

Yes, I understand your point. Actually, the factors to consider is not just the Return on Investment (ROI) based on savings on fuel costs. It may take 2 years to recover the price of the kit from fuel savings, for instance. During the 2 years you spent "saving" for the device, the same amount of money may have been invested properly and it would have earned as from 6% to as much as 30-60% interest earnings... So in the long run, you would still be "spending" more.

What can you invest P30,000 worth of cash that can have a guaranteed return of 6% to 30-60%? Even 5 year bonds only return 5 to 6% annually if you agree to tie up your money for the next 3 to 5 years. And even then, the minimum value typically is much higher than 30K. You might mention bank peso bond funds like the ones in BDO but you can lose money faster than make money if you didn't encash at the right time.

But since if driving a car is a requirement for one's day to day tasks, why not make it "cheaper" by using a cheaper fuel that offers similar performance potentials?

[carbomb]

What can you invest P30,000 worth of cash that can have a guaranteed return of 6% to 30-60%?

madami! and you may end up for a much higher return. you should only consider the timing, right market and ofcourse the potential of your investment. example? what do you want legal or illegal? di ba businessman ka? baka masyado mong na ooverlooked yung may mga potential na mga small investments.

about the lpg converstions, well, nakaka 1 full tank ako worth 1800 sa isang linggo. pero sa tingin ko pa din medyo matalgal bago ko mabawi yung savings na sinasabi mo pero tama ka kung madalas kong gamitin auto ko talagang makakatipid ako pero sometimes kc, nagpa public transport ako to save gas and nakakatulong talaga sa pagtitipid ko. and just like our fellow tsikoteer mentioned a while ago, kung taxi nga ako cguro nga mararamdaman ko yung savings kaagad agad. kaso everyweek tumataas ang lpg kaya papa urong ng papa urong roi mo.

[ghosthunter]

about the lpg converstions, well, nakaka 1 full tank ako worth 1800 sa isang linggo. pero sa tingin ko pa din medyo matalgal bago ko mabawi yung savings na sinasabi mo pero tama ka kung madalas kong gamitin auto ko talagang makakatipid ako pero sometimes kc, nagpa public transport ako to save gas and nakakatulong talaga sa pagtitipid ko. and just like our fellow tsikoteer mentioned a while ago, kung taxi nga ako cguro nga mararamdaman ko yung savings kaagad agad. kaso everyweek tumataas ang lpg kaya papa urong ng papa urong roi mo.

Doing a simple computation...

42.8L * P42/L = P1800 (your one week's worth of gasoline)

42.8L * P28/L = P1200 (your equivalent week's worth of fuel if using LPG)

... or about P600 savings for every week's of fuel.

Assuming you save P600 every week and an LPG conversion costs P28,000, it would take you 11.67 months to recover the cost of your LPG conversion. This assumes the price difference between gasoline and LPG is relatively stable. (With my car, I had an estimated ROI time of 12 to 14 months and the actual ROI period was achieved in 11 months.)

Even if public transport is cheaper than driving your own vehicle, it is not free. Although driving one's own vehicle is more costly than taking public transport, it is difficult to assess the value of the convinence, relative safety and comfort of having one's own vehicle when traveling between home, work, school, etc.

As for the shifting price of LPG, yes it does go up and down during the year. This goes hand in hand with the world demand for heating fuel especially those in colder climates. But as winter ends, the price does go down. I have experienced this during the first year I had my car on LPG.

[webmiester]

Doing a simple computation...

42.8L * P42/L = P1800 (your one week's worth of gasoline)

42.8L * P28/L = P1200 (your equivalent week's worth of fuel if using LPG)

... or about P600 savings for every week's of fuel.

Assuming you save P600 every week and an LPG conversion costs P28,000, it would take you 11.67 months to recover the cost of your LPG conversion...

Yes, precisely the point. We assume you save P600 a week. However, if we only consume 21L a week, then the time it takes to recover the cost doubles to 23 months. If we used a more expensive system (like my SGI system) then the time it takes would be even longer...

Also, the computation assumes that the consumption of fuel is the same for both gasoline and lpg. Looking through this thread, it was discussed earlier that there is a slight increase in consumption of lpg compared to gasoline.

Yes, as for investment is concerned... I dont want to advertise any companies, but my mutual fund grew at 30% in a year. I found banks offering 20% yearly interest for 5-6 years (covered by PDIC, of course). Then we have stocks, which I still have to learn...It may sound scary to tie up our money in a 5-year time deposit, but in an LPG conversion, we really do "tie up our money" at the back of the truck until we recover its cost. There are risks involved with these investments, but there are "risks" involved with LPG conversions too, such as costs for unscheduled maintenance, or possibility of the system malfunctioning...

Of course, the reverse is also true: If our consumption of fuel is higher than that of our assumptions, and/or we use a cheaper kit, then the return of investment becomes faster than 11 months

So the time it takes to "recover" costs really is dependent on the amount of use the car takes. Taxis make the best of it because of their high mileage.

These are just a few things we can consider...

[ghosthunter]

Yes, precisely the point. We assume you save P600 a week. However, if we only consume 21L a week, then the time it takes to recover the cost doubles to 23 months. If we used a more expensive system (like my SGI system) then the time it takes would be even longer...

Also, the computation assumes that the consumption of fuel is the same for both gasoline and lpg. Looking through this thread, it was discussed earlier that there is a slight increase in consumption of lpg compared to gasoline.

Yes, as for investment is concerned... I dont want to advertise any companies, but my mutual fund grew at 30% in a year. I found banks offering 20% yearly interest for 5-6 years (covered by PDIC, of course). Then we have stocks, which I still have to learn...It may sound scary to tie up our money in a 5-year time deposit, but in an LPG conversion, we really do "tie up our money" at the back of the truck until we recover its cost. There are risks involved with these investments, but there are "risks" involved with LPG conversions too, such as costs for unscheduled maintenance, or possibility of the system malfunctioning...

Of course, the reverse is also true: If our consumption of fuel is higher than that of our assumptions, and/or we use a cheaper kit, then the return of investment becomes faster than 11 months

So the time it takes to "recover" costs really is dependent on the amount of use the car takes. Taxis make the best of it because of their high mileage.

These are just a few things we can consider...

There is one major flaw with analogy of mutual funds and LPG kits. Assuming we have to drive between home and work/school, you cannot fuel your car with mutual funds. Fuel (lpg or gasoline) is a "now" need and not five years from today. Mutual funds is something you invest "spare" or "idle" money into to let it grow faster than the economic inflation rate.

You need to buy fuel today and not wait for the interest (or monetary growth) to give you whatever percent of your initial investment. You will have to spend the money now, might that be for gasoline or LPG. So it's either you "save" money now or keep on griping about the ever rising prices of gasoline and suffer using public transportation and its rising prices as well.

As a powerful man often mentions, "the power is yours."

[webmiester]

Well yes, we do need to spend it "now", but not necessarily 30k now. Your own analysis states that you only need to spend P1600 weekly, so the 28k can still earn while waiting to be spent.

If the amount that the 30k investment may become more than the amount that your lpg can save you, then you would be at a net "loss".

[webmiester]

Now here's the good news:

If your fuel expeditures is big enough so that your ROI is 11 months (as assumed in your computations), then you would save an additional 30k on your second year

This would mean that you would be "earning" 30k a year after your 1st year. This is provided that you maintain your fuel expenses and you fuel requirements within your assumed computations, and no costly maintenance work on the LPG system takes place... If you consume even more fuel, then the "savings" should be even bigger.

For those who dont consume as much fuel, or have found other ways to "save" fuel (such as public transport, or find work/school at a nearer location from their home), then the numbers would be different.

[ghosthunter]

*webmiester

At least you can understand what I mean with using LPG as compared to CARBOMB and his donut analogies.

[webmiester]

*webmiester

At least you can understand what I mean with using LPG as compared to CARBOMB and his donut analogies.

Of course, Im an LPG user too, dont forget. But I also do understand CARBOMBS point.

[webmiester]

Yehey, may lpg convention sila I hope they take up the bad smelling LPG issue. In other countries kc iba yung LPG supply sa car and sa kitchen.

[carbomb]

*webmiester

At least you can understand what I mean with using LPG as compared to CARBOMB and his donut analogies.

well, you cannot win it all ghosthunter. your opinion is your opinion while my opinion is my opinion. my donut analogy is just my own interpretation on lpg vs. gasoline consumption. i am respecting your opinion and you should respect mine also. i am much younger than you and i think your much older than me. be a little mature and be man for sometime.

[ghosthunter]

well, you cannot win it all ghosthunter. your opinion is your opinion while my opinion is my opinion. my donut analogy is just my own interpretation on lpg vs. gasoline consumption. i am respecting your opinion and you should respect mine also. i am much younger than you and i think your much older than me. be a little mature and be man for sometime.

I will only respect your opinion if your assumptions are correct. Since your donut analogy was flawed from the start, I cannot simply respect your opinion without correcting the flaw in the assumption. This goes irregardless with age, may you be younger or older than me.

I am not out to "win" here. I am here to give a correct interpretation of the facts.

[ghosthunter]

Of course, Im an LPG user too, dont forget. But I also do understand CARBOMBS point.

Carbomb's point was the computation if converting to LPG was worth it or not. I already have been stating for a very long time, it simply depends on how much you use your car. If the ROI period is simply too long, then it is not worth converting to LPG.

An example is the Mazda3 1.6L A/T of my parents. I observed that the car only does around 100km during a typical week so I didn't push to have it converted.

[boydapa]

nagkahirapan pa tayo sa donuts na yan. eh yun donut na alam ko yun mtagal ko na gzto ilagay sa ilalim ng oto ko ksi ayaw ko ng cylindrical

ganito lng yan: assuming gutom ka tapos nadaan ka sa tindahan eh nakita at gusto mo ng ham tapos donut lng kaya mo bilhin kasi kylang sa pambili ng ham.

gawin mo bili ka ng donut tapos isipin mo nlng ham yan!

ganun din sa oto kng yun oto mo gzto ng gas tapos ikaw lpg ksi nagtitipid nga sabihin mo sa oto mo isipin mo nlng gas yan!

edi tapos!

[rv]

i follow this thread and i agree with ghosthunter. w/ oil prices hitting $100 dollars a barrel, lpg is indeed a welcome option! i want to install one but my car is new and i just don't want to void the warranty. i'm glad its there though. someday. peace

[ghosthunter]

i follow this thread and i agree with ghosthunter. w/ oil prices hitting $100 dollars a barrel, lpg is indeed a welcome option! i want to install one but my car is new and i just don't want to void the warranty. i'm glad its there though. someday. peace

Depending on your car dealer, they may have "certified" LPG kit installers that will not void the car's warranty. You might want to give them a call to check.