Alternative Fuel Source: Waste Vegetable Oil (WVO) aka Used Cooking Oil [MERGED]

[niky]

Oops... my post got moved along with the original.

*mbeige: Pat, I've already got the quotation from the Biodrive guys... but I'm willing to see what Greenfuel has to offer, so I can compare their purification systems.

It's possible our campus can generate about 500 liters a month... or even more... that's enough for this project to be viable... we just have to finish laying the groundwork for fleet-wide implementation.

[mbeige]

Good to see the plans are laid out and ready to roll. My concern at this point, is that I hope whoever goes into business promoting the use of alternative fuel sources, do not mislead the public into buying substandard systems. Such is the case with a Love Craft Biofuels here in Los Angeles.

The filter unit is made of very bad quality and the owner never wanted to discuss the technical aspects of the conversion. More like either buy it or leave. Information is your best friend here.

You'll surely get hungry once you smell the exhaust coming from a converted diesel

[paolorenzo]

And FC will generally be the same between diesel and wvo?

[mbeige]

Some have reported increased consumption using WVO partly due to the lower BTU content of WVO compared to diesel. This lower BTU (energy per unit) of WVO is also why WVO users tend to have quieter diesel engines, so to combat the lower BTU the engine has to use a bit more WVO to perform a task that the engine can do a slightly more efficient in regular dino diesel.

Only thing, is that WVO in some areas is free, so the fuel economy factor is negligible.

[niky]

Biodrive sells by the drum at 42 pesos per liter... but this is processed. Unprocessed oil can go for as low as 20 pesos per liter... so if you buy the kit and have sources, it's more cost effective (since electrical costs in conversion are pretty low).

If you have institutional sources for oil... a canteen... a corporate kitchen... or even a fast food joint... cost for the fuel is negligible... you incur an opportunity cost (the amount you could make selling the oil), but consider that you're not buying more expensive diesel, that's not a big issue.

[ghosthunter]

And FC will generally be the same between diesel and wvo?

Fuel mileage reportedly decreases by about 10% with WVO use.

[Chipsg]

Hi guys,
I'm Chips Guevara, the guy that does the SVO conversions. Sorry to be a year late in replying but I only saw the thread now while browsing. I just wanted you all to know that I am still doing conversions.

Marc, is that you who said all those nice things? Really appreciate it. Hope all is well in Milan.

To: Baludoy, yes I am the guy that appeared in the Rock Ed program. Gang Badoy is a friend and is helping me promote this environmentally friendly technology.

To: MBeige, I'm sorry to hear that Lovecraft is causing a lot of havoc and giving SVO a bad name. There are many copy cats that do not know what they are doing. There are certainly a few people here that have tried to copy my technology without really understanding it. For example, when I did my first conversion, Sunshine Motors (a Mercedes Benz shop in QC) copied me without really understanding. So they tried to sell their version at double my price and not teaching you how to filter your own fuel. There are many outfits in the US that are doing this, and offer WVO filtering systems that do not work. I actually bought one (Dieselcraft) which was very expensive and did nothing to filter it which gave me major problems. So I decided to develop my own.

I have been running on WVO fuel for 2.5 years now without problem. My fuel is cleaner than the diesel that is available here. If you are worried, I offer a warranty. I will fix anything that breaks if it is because of Alterenergy's SVO system.

I have converted an MB300D, Mitsubishi Canter, Pajero 1990, 4 Isuzu Elfs, MB300SDL, Toyota Land Cruiser (Subic), 2 MB240D's, Ford Ranger 2005, etc. My fuel is now at P20/liter

Fuel supply is tough as many restaurants offer their oil for sale for a high price. The people who buy at this price re-use the oil for human consumption such as chicharon and hopia production, or sell this carcinogenic oil in the public markets as new cooking oil. Just this morning I saw a Max Fried Chicken store in Magallanes selling their oil. I asked the buyer what he was using it for. He said fish crackers. Though I have enough fuel for individuals, I don't have enough for a fleet of trucks.

If you own a restaurant or a chain of fast food restos, and have delivery trucks, you would be my ideal customer and supplier of oil. Please don't sell your oil to just anybody. You might be giving people cancer by doing so.

Please do call me if you are interested.
491 4855 / 377 4496 CP 0917 8103245
email: sdguevara*gmail.com

I've been advocating this technology to help prevent global warming. I was criticized to be an alarmist, by taking advantage of Typhoon Millenio. Now Typhoon Ondoy and Pepeng came. Should I just keep my mouth shut, when I have a technology that will help?

The country generates 250 million liters of used cooking oil per year. This goes into our food or into our canals which end up in the ocean. We can use this to save the environment. I hope people will care this time.

[Chipsg]

Hi guys,
I'm Chips Guevara, the guy that does the SVO conversions. Sorry to be a year late in replying but I only saw the thread now while browsing. I just wanted you all to know that I am still doing conversions.

Marc, is that you who said all those nice things? Really appreciate it. Hope all is well in Milan.

To: Baludoy, yes I am the guy that appeared in the Rock Ed program. Gang Badoy is a friend and is helping me promote this environmentally friendly technology.

To: MBeige, I'm sorry to hear that Lovecraft is causing a lot of havoc and giving SVO a bad name. There are many copy cats that do not know what they are doing. There are certainly a few people here that have tried to copy my technology without really understanding it. For example, when I did my first conversion, Sunshine Motors (a Mercedes Benz shop in QC) copied me without really understanding. So they tried to sell their version at double my price and not teaching you how to filter your own fuel. There are many outfits in the US that are doing this, and offer WVO filtering systems that do not work. I actually bought one (Dieselcraft) which was very expensive and did nothing to filter it which gave me major problems. So I decided to develop my own.

I have been running on WVO fuel for 2.5 years now without problem. My fuel is cleaner than the diesel that is available here. If you are worried, I offer a warranty. I will fix anything that breaks if it is because of Alterenergy's SVO system.

I have converted an MB300D, Mitsubishi Canter, Pajero 1990, 4 Isuzu Elfs, MB300SDL, Toyota Land Cruiser (Subic), 2 MB240D's, Ford Ranger 2005, etc. My fuel is now at P20/liter

Fuel supply is tough as many restaurants offer their oil for sale for a high price. The people who buy at this price re-use the oil for human consumption such as chicharon and hopia production, or sell this carcinogenic oil in the public markets as new cooking oil. Just this morning I saw a Max Fried Chicken store in Magallanes selling their oil. I asked the buyer what he was using it for. He said fish crackers. Though I have enough fuel for individuals, I don't have enough for a fleet of trucks.

If you own a restaurant or a chain of fast food restos, and have delivery trucks, you would be my ideal customer and supplier of oil. Please don't sell your oil to just anybody. You might be giving people cancer by doing so.

Please do call me if you are interested.
491 4855 / 377 4496 CP 0917 8103245
email: sdguevara*gmail.com

I've been advocating this technology to help prevent global warming. I was criticized to be an alarmist, by taking advantage of Typhoon Millenio. Now Typhoon Ondoy and Pepeng came. Should I just keep my mouth shut, when I have a technology that will help?

The country generates 250 million liters of used cooking oil per year. This goes into our food or into our canals which end up in the ocean. We can use this to save the environment. I hope people will care this time.

[ghosthunter]

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[Phoenix67]

Hi guys, ..
...If you own a restaurant or a chain of fast food restos, and have delivery trucks, you would be my ideal customer and supplier of oil. Please don't sell your oil to just anybody. You might be giving people cancer by doing so....

....The country generates 250 million liters of used cooking oil per year. This goes into our food or into our canals which end up in the ocean. We can use this to save the environment...

Sir Chipsg... most of the used oil by major fastfood chains are bought thru bidding process.

Normally nasa 20-30% ng RBD coco oil (check your supermarket magkano ang branded coco oil) ang typical bid price basis. Contract is usually 6 months minimum and 12 months maximum.

The "usual winners" of these bids for used veg/coco oil sell these to farms and feedmills. I will bet my ass that the usage levels of these farms/feedmillers would be bigger than the chicharon/kompitis/mani makers... farms and feedmillers will easily consume truckloads of these oils in a day or week production.

These farms/feedmills usually buy these used veg/coco oil for the price of about 45% to 55% of crude coco oil. (do the math, crude coco oil nowadays sells aroung P30-35/kg.)

Unfortunately I think the current bidding price of these used oil would be too high for your actual needs (unless there is 100% recovery) considering your fuel SRP is only P20/liter.

You might want to consider trying out imported lard, tallow and palm oil/olein... they are normally cheaper too.

More power to you and your endeavor... mas marami pa sanang kalahi ninyo ang mamayagpag.

Meanwhile, I'll check my sources from Bicol if we can alter/improve coconut oil extraction from copra meal (not copra meat) baka puede yung "second-extract" pang bio-diesel use... will update this thread as it happen.