Why have you not joined the LPG bandwagon?

[tidus1203]

Taxis aside (who pretty much run all day long so it makes sense), why has the private sector (at least the majority of us anyway) not been joining the LPG conversion bandwagon? I mean at sub P30/L its seems a good thing to do economically speaking....

Since ako gumawa ng thread let me answer na rin the question. Well for me its all about the MILEAGE or the lack of it. Assuming that LPG prices (natural gas prices are also going up, I think LPG also went up this past week just like gas) also keep in lock step with gas prices and maintain more or less its price differential it will take me almost 3.5 years just to recover which for me is wag na lang since I am also assuming my income will also go up with inflation since di naman ako in a fixed income (aka salaried employee)...

Kayo? Interested ako sa thoughts ninyo...

[shadow]

for me just a simple reason, I can still afford the gasoline price..

[1D4LV]

same as shadow. i can still afford it.
and even though if i cannot afford it, i would go for tidus' insights. the cost of LPG is also rising, which means it is not a guarantee for long term.

[[archie]]

hmmm for me, i cant see my car having the LPG conversion.

the option did pass my mind pero parang i dont see the full benefits... baka kasi benta ko na yung car after 4 years? baka din kasi bumaba pa resale value ng oto...

then the last would be... there might be faulty conversion. i know ok yung mga reviews ng LPG conversions pero what if may mali mangyari sa conversion sakin... though may warranty... 1 year lang. paano kung may mangyari after 1 year? hindi na nila sagot then gastos ulit.

im fine na gas gamit ng car ko kahit kailangan magcommute paminsan minsan...

[ghosthunter]

... i would go for tidus' insights. the cost of LPG is also rising, which means it is not a guarantee for long term.

That is what people kept saying to me two and three years ago about auto-LPG. That time, the price difference was just 25% to 30% between gasoline and LPG. Today the price difference is over 40%.

The point, even if the price of LPG goes up, so will the price of gasoline at the same or greater rate.

"Regrets always come too late."


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[tidus1203]

Might not be the case anymore though, parang I sense these past few days that speculative money transferring into natural gas since crude oil has slown down and mukang the US SEC is trying to investigate the recent run up in crude oil kung may foul... If I was a betting man (although I admit I can lose the bet), I will bet that the differential is going down and not up. Last week LPG was increased by P2/L while unleaded by P1.50/L, its not a lot but its there...

[ghosthunter]

hmmm for me, i cant see my car having the LPG conversion.

the option did pass my mind pero parang i dont see the full benefits... baka kasi benta ko na yung car after 4 years? baka din kasi bumaba pa resale value ng oto...

then the last would be... there might be faulty conversion. i know ok yung mga reviews ng LPG conversions pero what if may mali mangyari sa conversion sakin... though may warranty... 1 year lang. paano kung may mangyari after 1 year? hindi na nila sagot then gastos ulit.

im fine na gas gamit ng car ko kahit kailangan magcommute paminsan minsan...

Well, if your car still has warranty, it's your decision to void it or even contact your dealer if they would still consider the warranty after auto-LPG conversion. Some dealers will accept the warranty even after proper auto-LPG conversions.

[ghosthunter]

Might not be the case anymore though, parang I sense these past few days that speculative money transferring into natural gas since crude oil has slown down and mukang the US SEC is trying to investigate the recent run up in crude oil kung may foul... If I was a betting man (although I admit I can lose the bet), I will bet that the differential is going down and not up. Last week LPG was increased by P2/L while unleaded by P1.50/L, its not a lot but its there...

So you are "speculating" a whole trend in prices based on a one or two price corrections?

[tidus1203]

No I am seeing the previous people who sold OIL went into NATURAL GAS. Althought not yet in droves so the media has not yet covered this. Actually if you want to make money, this is the time to do it habang tahimik pa. Iniisip ko nga bumili ng natural gas and join those who speculated on it. I am not saying OIL's run is over in fact its not and I am still bullish on it pero its too hot to handle na for some people and dun naman sila lumipat sa di pa lumipad ng todo-todo price-wise...

[Lucius]

My Mazda3 is top of the line and I can't bear to see an LPG sign thing sticker in any part of my car. Plus, there's E10, only 2 peso cheaper but still makes a diffrence in terms of pricing.

I believe that the LPG tech is just for taxis. You can see people converting to LPG to save some money yet they spend too much on other things. Still the same.

[meledson]

Dami kong reasons:
1. Ayaw ko na ma void ang warranty ng car ko. less than a year old.
2. I have a gas allowance (caltex) not LPG gas.
3. Ang possible location ay sa lugar ng spare tire para sa tank. torroidal, sa ilalim, exposed at parang ayaw ko na walang spare tire.

[fourtheboys96]

we do not have an LPG refilling station here in Los Baños thats why.

anyway, more than the cost, there are other benefits from using LPG based on my internet research. this in the emissions as compared to gas-fed engines.

mejo OT. the factors we consider in making choices about cars and fuels vary with each individual. but i am not surprised, cost is the the main factor. i will be undertaking a survey for my thesis about the attributes we consider in choosing a car. hope tsikot will allow me to do this here. watch out soon

[zero]

i always need room in my compartment kaya maski subwoofer wala ako.
besides, 1.3 lang ang engine ko kaya matipid pa rin sa gas.

[impulzz]

my milage is too low. on the average its about 100kms a week. but i'm still thinking of installing an LPG kit, be it i recover it on a longer period, the price differential, lesser emission, longer change oil intervals are added benefits.

the biggest problem for me is the vitara has a very samll trunk. and fitting a lpg tank in it will take up the whole space. this is the biggest hurdle for me. a torroidal tank was considered but the price is 7k additional on to of the 25k.

[ghosthunter]

the biggest problem for me is the vitara has a very samll trunk. and fitting a lpg tank in it will take up the whole space. this is the biggest hurdle for me. a torroidal tank was considered but the price is 7k additional on to of the 25k.

EROOM/DENSO charges P7K for their donut tank while GREENFUEL charges P2K+ for their donut tank.

[userfriendly]

I have 2 cars.

The Avanza is still under warranty. I'll convert as soon as warranty ends next year.

My other car, Chevy Venture, has a sensitive CEL. Greenfuel did one before and the CEL is triggered every time its running on lpg. CEL turns off when you switch to gas. The car they converted runs fine on both fuels but I know that the CEL will drive me crazy.

[ghosthunter]

I have 2 cars.

The Avanza is still under warranty. I'll convert as soon as warranty ends next year.

maybe you should check wiuth your dealer if they would still honor your warranty if you have an auto-LPG kit installed. Or maybe they have an accredited auto-lpg installer.

My other car, Chevy Venture, has a sensitive CEL. Greenfuel did one before and the CEL is triggered every time its running on lpg. CEL turns off when you switch to gas. The car they converted runs fine on both fuels but I know that the CEL will drive me crazy.

Unless you need the carrying capacity, it might be time to get rid of it.

[ghosthunter]

i always need room in my compartment kaya maski subwoofer wala ako.
besides, 1.3 lang ang engine ko kaya matipid pa rin sa gas.

You could save more fuel by getting rid of the subwoofer box and installing a free-air subwoofer setup.

[ghosthunter]

My Mazda3 is top of the line and I can't bear to see an LPG sign thing sticker in any part of my car. Plus, there's E10, only 2 peso cheaper but still makes a diffrence in terms of pricing.

Ok but don't complain later when prices of gasoline reaches P65/L in July since you still have E10 gasoline which would be priced at P63/L.

I believe that the LPG tech is just for taxis. You can see people converting to LPG to save some money yet they spend too much on other things. Still the same.

Although taxi cabs benefit the most from the cheaper price of auto-LPG, private cars which do a lot of kilometers in a week will also benefit although at a lesser amount.

As for "people spending too much on other things" ... that's their business if they want but at least they have that much extra cash to be able to spend on other things on the first place, right?

[Bogeyman]

Is it at all possible to convert diesel AUVs so they run on LPG? bigMIKE says his group doesn't perform diesel conversions yet.