Battle of the Subcompact Cars (Mirage, Fiesta, Wigo, Brio, etc.)

[Prince Ng]

So, among the local brands if subcompact cars (Mirage, Fiesta, Wigo, Brio, etc.) which one is: 1) The most comfy to ride in; 2) reliable; 3) stable handling; 4) with strongest aftermarket support; 5) with the least issues (meaning, sakit ng sasakyan na common sa model na iyon).

If you guys know lang naman.

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Sa mga owners ng mga units na ito. Kamusta po ang experience nyo sa mga kotse nyo?

[Egan101]

The Wigo, Brio, Celerio, i10, Picanto, and Mirage fall under a lower category (mini-car). For the sub-compact sedan/HB, it's Vios/Yaris, City/Jazz, Accent, Fiesta, Mazda2, Swift, and Rio.

[jut703]

The Wigo, Brio, Celerio, i10, Picanto, and Mirage fall under a lower category (mini-car). For the sub-compact sedan/HB, it's Vios/Yaris, City/Jazz, Accent, Fiesta, Mazda2, Swift, and Rio.

I agree - these are 2 different segments with very different price points. My take is that if you're satisfied with minicars, save yourself a few hundred thousand and stick with these.

Main advantages of the subcompacts are space and power. If you're single or married with only 1 kid, and the car will be used mostly for city trips, I don't think you need a subcompact.

[Prince Ng]

Tried changing the subject but it wont change.

[jut703]

Tried changing the subject but it wont change.

What do you want to change it to? Are you really comparing all the minicars and subcompacts or just the minicars or just the subcompacts?

[Egan101]

On the reliability aspect, most of the new models have just been released so we may need to wait a year or two to know how reliable they are. We may try to assume based on previous generations of such models but most have entirely new chassis with different engines and features.

I have a 2014 Fiesta Ecoboost and there is no question on its performance and handling. I love the way it drives and I like the seats. I don't mind the interior space as it's comfortable enough as a daily commuter.

[Prince Ng]

What do you want to change it to? Are you really comparing all the minicars and subcompacts or just the minicars or just the subcompacts?

Battle of the Mini Cars (Mirage, Fiesta, Wigo, Brio, etc.)

Mini cars lang talaga ang coverage ng thread, as against each other.

[boytsiks]

I'll get the mirage for the same reason stated above.

Brio is too expensive for a mini car. Not sold on its "prestige". It is still an econo car.

My 2 cents.


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[Egan101]

^^^Me too. I really can't see the "prestige" some folks relate to Honda. It's the same as the other big Japanese manufacturers. If there is one model that has the prestige for the Honda brand, it's the Accord. The Accord has always been a part of the 10Best of Car and Driver for the longest time, much like the BMW 3-series and VW Golf.

The Brio might be a zippy drive knowing it has enough juice from its L13 engine pushing its 900kg weight. However, you can get about the same level of performance from a car with 3-cylinders, lesser weight, and better fuel efficiency for a lesser price.

[JohnM]

My only gripe with the Mirage is the NVH abatement (or lack thereof). Kawawa pakinggan ang suspension on expansion joints. Tagtag ang dashboard sa mga rumble strips. Otherwise it's a fun zippy city car.

The Brio might be better built and feel more solid. However at that price step up ka na lang to the next size.

[jut703]

My only gripe with the Mirage is the NVH abatement (or lack thereof). Kawawa pakinggan ang suspension on expansion joints. Tagtag ang dashboard sa mga rumble strips. Otherwise it's a fun zippy city car.

That's how I feel with the previous-gen City too. Feels less solid than our 20-year old Lancer itlog. When taking humps at speed, talagang thud yung maririnig mo.

I guess it's the standard for small cars, and any minicar that doesn't have this kind of ride is an exception rather than the rule.


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[Egan101]

That's how I feel with the previous-gen City too. Feels less solid than our 20-year old Lancer itlog. When taking humps at speed, talagang thud yung maririnig mo.

I guess it's the standard for small cars, and any minicar that doesn't have this kind of ride is an exception rather than the rule.


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Is this the City GE or the much older City GD (IDSI)? Our City GE has that "ka-blag" sound and jarring feel on humps and potholes if approached faster than crawling speed. You really have to slow down or feel that "ka-blag".

[Prince Ng]

So meaning lahat sila medyo malikot, maingay, matagtag?

That's how I feel with the previous-gen City too. Feels less solid than our 20-year old Lancer itlog. When taking humps at speed, talagang thud yung maririnig mo.

I guess it's the standard for small cars, and any minicar that doesn't have this kind of ride is an exception rather than the rule.


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[jut703]

If a Toyota's maintenance is 4k per PMS, and the Brio's is 1.5x more expensive at 6k, will the 2k really be a deal-breaker for you? You'll only be doing it twice a year since Honda service intervals are every 6 months anyway.

I'm not too sold on the Brio yet because I haven't driven it. I can say however that the Mirage is the best starter car in the market today.

The Fiesta has a lot of issues, mostly related to its Powershift transmission. Still worth it IMO, but it's just a riskier bet than the others.


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[JohnM]

If a Toyota's maintenance is 4k per PMS, and the Brio's is 1.5x more expensive at 6k, will the 2k really be a deal-breaker for you? You'll only be doing it twice a year since Honda service intervals are every 6 months anyway.

Mitsubishi's PMS labor charges are eye-popping to say the least. My Vios' 10k (regular checkup I think) cost me 1500 in labor. Mitsubishi will charge 3500 in labor alone on the Mirage's 10k PMS based on the price list I saw in the casa.

Erratum: it might depend on the casa though because someone else posted this:

[radz15]

Mitsubishi's PMS labor charges are eye-popping to say the least. My Vios' 10k (regular checkup I think) cost me 1500 in labor. Mitsubishi will charge 3500 in labor alone on the Mirage's 10k PMS based on the price list I saw in the casa.

Erratum: it might depend on the casa though because someone else posted this:

1.9k bro ang labor.

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[JohnM]

1.9k bro ang labor.

Which casa bro? Nabasa ko sa ibang forums na dumadayo pa silang Sta Rosa dahil far cheaper ang labor don even with the toll and gas factored in.

[Egan101]

The Fiesta has a lot of issues, mostly related to its Powershift transmission. Still worth it IMO, but it's just a riskier bet than the others.

I read in FCP that Ford is extending its transmission warranty to 5 years or 150k kms. I guess it's their admission to the issues with its tranny. Both the Fiesta and new Focus use the Powershift DCT. There are some impacted by the tranny issues but not all. It was a decision I had to deal with before I got my Fiesta.

[Prince Ng]

If a Toyota's maintenance is 4k per PMS, and the Brio's is 1.5x more expensive at 6k, will the 2k really be a deal-breaker for you? You'll only be doing it twice a year since Honda service intervals are every 6 months anyway.

I'm not too sold on the Brio yet because I haven't driven it. I can say however that the Mirage is the best starter car in the market today.

The Fiesta has a lot of issues, mostly related to its Powershift transmission. Still worth it IMO, but it's just a riskier bet than the others.


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Per PMS meaning lahat lahat na yun?

[boytsiks]

Per PMS meaning lahat lahat na yun?

Yes. Should be lahat lahat na.




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