wigo versus g4

[dr. d]

folks, i have query.

which to buy: new wigo cvt, mirage g4 cvt, or suzuki dzire ags?
looking for driving comfort, ease of maintenance, and long-term reliability.
thanks.

[oj88]

Can't go wrong with a Toyota.

I am kinda in the same boat.... choosing between the S-presso AGS and Wigo G CVT for my son. Can't make a decision because my son is on team S-presso (unique styling) and I'm on team Wigo (practicality).

[baludoy]

ang problema sa g4 is, i think, it is on its last legs. in several markets i've read na mitsu has already discontinued this particular model. so who knows, til when they'll be around. baka maging problema ang spare parts situation in the future.

having said that, my brother recently left their manual tranny g4 w/ me when they went to phuket several weeks ago. i enjoyed driving it around so much so that i'm thinking on taking on a stick shift equipped project car to scoot around the city or maybe even beyond the metro.

[oj88]

What will be the specific use case? How many people will be riding in it consistently? Is it solely for city-driving? What is the typical road condition on its route?

Just a few of the questions that can help you narrow down which car would be best-fit for you.

[dr. d]

What will be the specific use case? How many people will be riding in it consistently? Is it solely for city-driving? What is the typical road condition on its route?

Just a few of the questions that can help you narrow down which car would be best-fit for you.

daily city driving, with weekly slex to sta rosa.
dalawa lang kami. "empty nest syndrome."
i'd rather not get a big car anymore, because of the narrow barangay streets in our neighborhood,
hence my three choices.

i have a 2014 wigo, which i intend to replace with something from the above. i read the new wigo is more spacious?

for some reason, i feel cramped, inside the vios.

[oj88]

daily city driving, with weekly slex to sta rosa.
dalawa lang kami. "empty nest syndrome."
i'd rather not get a big car anymore, because of the narrow barangay streets in our neighborhood,
hence my three choices.

i have a 2014 wigo, which i intend to replace with something from the above. i read the new wigo is more spacious?

for some reason, i feel cramped, inside the vios.

The latest Wigo is bigger than the previous gen. The design language is also a lot better now.. more sporty- and aggressive-looking. More lines and less curves. I like it more than the Brio, FWIW.

You might want to visit the showrooms and see the cars in your shortlist in the flesh. You could at least try sitting in them but it's best if you can schedule a test drive.

[LOLZ]

I'd probably put the AGS/IMT cars at the bottom of the list until you can test drive one and determine that you are comfortable with their shifting behavior. They'd be more serviceable than a CVT in theory provided that available scanners can reconfigure the transmission computer comes clutch replacement as it is a regular MT transmission with robots attached to it but you have a clutch that you have no control over to burn through versus a torque converter on most CVTs (atleast on the G4/Wigo) in stop&go traffic.

[Yatta]

I would go with the Wigo. You already have experience with it, more or less alam mo na mga issues at sumpong. I never liked the G4 and Dzire, proportions seem off.

[Motortrend]

I would go with the Wigo. You already have experience with it, more or less alam mo na mga issues at sumpong. I never liked the G4 and Dzire, proportions seem off.

I agree. The designs of the G4 and Dzire (is it desire, d' sire, Desiree or Deziré) seem abrupt to me.

[_Cathy_]

folks, i have query.

which to buy: new wigo cvt, mirage g4 cvt, or suzuki dzire ags?
looking for driving comfort, ease of maintenance, and long-term reliability.
thanks.

doc, we're Toyota loyalists, aren't we?

Wigo por supuesto

[bxr monkey]

Hindi daw smooth shifting ang AGS. Baka mas okay ang Swift GL CVT? Mahal nga lang. Okay ang Wigo G, at G4 GLS.
Wigo G
(+)
Parts and maintenance
Ok dimensions sa city
Flexible HB space
AC
LEDs
More safety features
Dashcam
Cheaper

G4 GLS
(+)
Parts and maintenance
bigger trunk and passenger space
Longer wheelbase, better highway ride
Halogens - rain visibility, cheap bulbs
Simpler CVT maintenance - w/ dipstick/filler tube, filter strainer, separate paper filter access
Global model - madami surplus parts
Buy PH
(-)
AC

Since HB preference ko, leaning towards sa Wigo. Or bare bones Mirage HB GLX (no ABS!). Hehe.

[dr. d]

doc, we're Toyota loyalists, aren't we?

Wigo por supuesto

somos mercenarios, probablemente.
we go where the overall pay is better.
so far, toyota seems to be the better employer, but we should not be deaf and blind to reasonable offers.
so far, it's wigo...
heh heh.

i wonder,
may we now choose our ending digit on the plate number?

[ice15]

I've never been a fan of the Mirage even since I rented one.

New Wigo uses DNGA-B platform that's also used by the Raize, Avanza/Veloz, Yaris Cross and 4th Gen Vios.


2024 Honda Brio vs Toyota Wigo: Big Test of small hatchbacks | Top Gear Philippines
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[Ry_Tower]

I've never been a fan of the Mirage even since I rented one.

New Wigo uses DNGA-B platform that's also used by the Raize, Avanza/Veloz, Yaris Cross and 4th Gen Vios.


2024 Honda Brio vs Toyota Wigo: Big Test of small hatchbacks | Top Gear Philippines
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Nope, Wigo uses the DNGA-A not the B.

[Vodka]

2024 Honda Brio vs Toyota Wigo: Big Test of small hatchbacks | Top Gear Philippines
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weird yung d-cvt, physical gear is the top gear. while corolla's direct shift physical gear is at bottom where it should be that's why there's that acceleration weirdness towards 100kph with the wigo

[LOLZ]

weird yung d-cvt, physical gear is the top gear. while corolla's direct shift physical gear is at bottom where it should be that's why there's that acceleration weirdness towards 100kph with the wigo

It seems there is something wrong with the test vehicle(limp mode? Calibration for the PH market?) the Physical gear seems to set ~2000rpm at 100kph so they are still using the CVT albeit not being given shortest available ratio.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gLfFnnoZhUE&t=1014s

[Dr.Kamiya]

weird yung d-cvt, physical gear is the top gear. while corolla's direct shift physical gear is at bottom where it should be that's why there's that acceleration weirdness towards 100kph with the wigo

After reading the press releases, I think both implementations make sense, just a matter of whether the car is being tuned for low or high speed efficiency.

Either side is where you have a big differential in pulleys: big input to small output in "low gear" mode, or small input to big output in "high gear" mode meaning a lot of torque division or multiplication which can cause the CVT to slip more.

So the corolla implementation is optimized for stop and go traffic, the wigo version is for highway cruising.

I suppose a more ideal implementation optimized for both scenarios will have a two-speed transmission with the missing in-between gears filled in by the CVT.

[LOLZ]

It seems there is something wrong with the test vehicle(limp mode? Calibration for the PH market?) the Physical gear seems to set ~2000rpm at 100kph so they are still using the CVT albeit not being given shortest available ratio.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gLfFnnoZhUE&t=1014s

Edit: It seems like the CVT and the Physical Gear(when engaged) feeds a planetary gear set which makes it behave sort of like the Prius' Ecvt except a CVT transmission is doing the job of MG1 in controlling the gear ratio. The "Short shift" is more likely the vehicle protecting the CVT part of the transmission.

[oj88]

I suppose a more ideal implementation optimized for both scenarios will have a two-speed transmission with the missing in-between gears filled in by the CVT.

This.

A low-gear direct drive for stop-and-go, and a direct drive for the top/OD gear. That should make for a more reliable CVT, IMO.

[dr. d]

After reading the press releases, I think both implementations make sense, just a matter of whether the car is being tuned for low or high speed efficiency.

Either side is where you have a big differential in pulleys: big input to small output in "low gear" mode, or small input to big output in "high gear" mode meaning a lot of torque division or multiplication which can cause the CVT to slip more.

So the corolla implementation is optimized for stop and go traffic, the wigo version is for highway cruising.

I suppose a more ideal implementation optimized for both scenarios will have a two-speed transmission with the missing in-between gears filled in by the CVT.

interesting.
i guess i'll have to think what type of driving i'll be doing...