what should we buy automatic or manual transmission for fuel efficiency and comfort?

[Egan101]

Modern cars with the AT option are quicker than its MT equivalent. Some old thinking would point to AT as the slower option but this holds no truth nowadays. The fun of rowing your own gears persists in MT cars but modern ATs are just quicker to shift gears than our mere mortal capabilities.

I heard someone from my staff telling me that AT cars are slow but he got the surprise of his life when he rode with me on my Fiesta. It's not even as quick as my other ride with a CVT.

[ice15]

AT cars are faster, more fuel efficient and better equipped.

I personally only see the $$$ as one's reason for choosing an MT variant.

BUT, If you plan to have the car for more than 20 years... Then I'm choosing manual.

[Egan101]

^^^ I drive my CVT ride on the expressway every day. It’s not boring to drive and it is quite responsive. My previous DCT ride is even more responsive.


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[sean-archer]

Why do they say boring yung AT sa highways? Halos Nakababad ka pa rin naman sa highest gear when cruising using MT.

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[EQAddict]

Iove my ATs.

Fast shifting.... A manual cant hope to compete against the shift speed.

responsive shifting (i. E. downshift when i want them to etc)

manual over ride with paddle shifters if im in the mood for spirited driving or just for complete control of the engine rpm range

Comfortable in traffic

Really pairs well with the semi autonomous driving modes of my cars (i. E. Adaptive cruise control, self parking etc).

Fuel efficiency and all around stress reliever given our traffic situation.

Id think of getting a manual if its a sports car or an exotic.

But other than that they are being relagated to the econoboxes or the entry level versions of certain PPVs and Vans.








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[baludoy]

What are semi-automatic trannies exactly? I understand these are the trannies used by f1 cars.

Are these type of transmissions standard equipment in some carmakes?



do what you gotta do so you can do what you wanna do

[dr. d]

What are semi-automatic trannies exactly? I understand these are the trannies used by f1 cars.

Are these type of transmissions standard equipment in some carmakes?



do what you gotta do so you can do what you wanna do

the new suzuki dzire has one, daw.
i just haven't sat down to digest what it means.

[Egan101]

Iove my ATs.

Fast shifting.... A manual cant hope to compete against the shift speed.

responsive shifting (i. E. downshift when i want them to etc)

manual over ride with paddle shifters if im in the mood for spirited driving or just for complete control of the engine rpm range

Comfortable in traffic

Really pairs well with the semi autonomous driving modes of my cars (i. E. Adaptive cruise control, self parking etc).

Fuel efficiency and all around stress reliever given our traffic situation.

Id think of getting a manual if its a sports car or an exotic.

But other than that they are being relagated to the econoboxes or the entry level versions of certain PPVs and Vans.



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I'm on the same boat as you, bro! I don't know where people get the idea that modern ATs are boring and unresponsive.

If I'm on the hunt for a weekend MT car, I would look into, at least, a WRX MT.

What are semi-automatic trannies exactly? I understand these are the trannies used by f1 cars.

Are these type of transmissions standard equipment in some carmakes?



do what you gotta do so you can do what you wanna do

Some manufacturers have these automated MTs but I have tried them. Peugeot is one these manufacturers.

[EQAddict]

I'm on the same boat as you, bro! I don't know where people get the idea that modern ATs are boring and unresponsive.

If I'm on the hunt for a weekend MT car, I would look into, at least, a WRX MT.


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Guess they just havent had the opportunity to experience them.

ALL R&D is being devoted to traditional automatics (i. E. Torque converters, dual clutch transmissions, CVTs etc.)

None is being invested in manuals. Zero.

Automatics have been and will continue to be the future of transmissions.

Sales figures, development $, etc etc have long spelled the demise of the manual.

Sure people can have their individual preferences etc. To each his own. But the automakers have decided where their R&D budgets and manufacturing capacity are going to. And you can bet their decision making is based on empirical evidence, real world statistics and facts and end user preference.





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[Vodka]

Guess they just havent had the opportunity to experience them.

ALL R&D is being devoted to traditional automatics (i. E. Torque converters, dual clutch transmissions, CVTs etc.)

None is being invested in manuals. Zero.

Automatics have been and will continue to be the future of transmissions.

Sales figures, development $, etc etc have long spelled the demise of the manual.

Sure people can have their individual preferences etc. To each his own. But the automakers have decided where their R&D budgets and manufacturing capacity are going to. And you can bet their decision making is based on empirical evidence, real world statistics and facts and end user preference.





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well you don't need R&D for m/t i think even the current-gen manual trannies are still using 80's or 90's designs

[XTO]

many don't know how to shift appositely on a manual tranny

Gay Bus Driver - YouTube

[EQAddict]

well you don't need R&D for m/t i think even the current-gen manual trannies are still using 80's or 90's designs

Not necessarily true. Better clutches, Rev matching on downshifts, lighter transmissions, better feel, stronger shift forks, automated manuals, etc are all avenues of development that can be pursued.

Just saying that all the automakers and all the R&D has moved on and away from manuals except for 1 off performance variants and econo applications.


The question on this thread is which is a more fuel efficient and comfortable transmission. I believe this has been answered by the direction of the automakers themselves.

Unless we know something that their own engineering, r&d, market research, finance and sales teams do not.





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[shadow]

Can't even remember the last time I drove a manual car.


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[benchph1]

Automatic transmissions has gotten better nowadays that they are almost at par with their manual counterpart when it comes to efficiency.

10-15 years ago they were so awful that the obvious choice was manual. But now times have changed.


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[playplugg]

In Reality.. yes. AT, much F/C efficient na, more on "Drive-by-Wire"

Unlike sa MT, paunti-unti, outdated na lahat ng car manufacturers, pag dating sa MT..

kaya nga, mas magiging profit ang AT sa car manufacturer, dahil mas mabilis ang "wear-and-tear"..

unlike sa MT, yung ibang brand nga, wala nang clutch fluid, more on electronic na..

saka once na discharged ang battery, hindi na pwedeng itulak.. dahil sa ECU, once na pinilit, matinding reset sa ECU..
(Relearning) pugak-pugak ang makina (limp-mode)

[dr. d]

i am wondering,
has someone actually done local testing, that shows AT giving more km/li than the MT version, in our local everyday driving conditions?

[EQAddict]

They have done world wide testing. That should be enough.


If you are talking about driving conditions in edsa and Metro Manila.... Who knows? Rest of the Philippines ? Driving conditions will vary greatly. But i think a worldwide testing regimen and sample size should settle the debate.

Toyota which has a 1.3 vios with both a cvt and a manual states the CVT is more economical.

But if you want to hold on to the notion that the manual is still superior... Thats fine. To each his own as they say.



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[joaquim]

For long drive at/cvt is a better choice for me hindi ka hirap kahit spirited zigzag driving, both hands nasa manibela.

Yung iba AT transmission has ten gears kaya malakas, matulin at matipid. Hirap siguro kung manual yun.

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[playplugg]

Laging merong pro's and con's..


AT.. Andyan lahat ng comfort, pero yung lagpas comfort zone naman pag dating sa "maintenance" given na..

MT.. Nakakapagod i-drive, lagpas comfort zone, pero ang comfort naman, basta hindi lang "clutch" driver, at properly used ang certain gear shifting sa MT.. 10yrs bago gumastos...

[bloowolf]

FYI, according to the FB Facebook page, if you are qualified for driving an A/T transmission, you are not qualified to drive a manual. It is in the restrictions. Dagdag kaalaman lang tsikoteers. I am not saying you should not, but just good to know this fact