variable valve engine comparo

[ferdine]

Orly... yup... turbo yung GTX. just pointing out that "technology" per se is not just the realm of Honda.

So ano bang pinag-uusapan natin dito? variable valve timing which is the subject o turbocharging?

[orly_andico]

ferdine,

i think the issue is you come off as too much of a honda fanboy. of course that will rub people the wrong way. honda never has been at the technological bleeding edge.

it is accurate to say that honda brought variable valve timing to the masses. and that's it. they were neither first, nor are they the best.

[ferdine]

ferdine,

i think the issue is you come off as too much of a honda fanboy. of course that will rub people the wrong way. honda never has been at the technological bleeding edge.

it is accurate to say that honda brought variable valve timing to the masses. and that's it. they were neither first, nor are they the best.

Surprise! Orly and mazda are both the same guy. Now I know. I have my opinion about variable valve timing and I would like to convince the first poster about the merits of i-VTEC. I stick to the argument and backed it facts from wikipedia which is quite a good resource for educational purposes. If I'm a Honda fanboy and rubs off people like you, it's not my fault. Ika nga... talo ang maasar. He-he-he-he-....

Kaya nga cguro liko-liko pa kayo hanggang sa nakarating na kayo sa
rotary na admittedly, I don't have that kind of motor. But it's not a rocket science na puede lang sa mga elite groups like yours.

Kaya nga I respect whatever opinion you have about Honda's not in the bleeding edge. Opinion mo yan and I can't do something about that. Problema kasi kung hindi mag agree ang opinion ng ibang tao sa inyo, ibabasura nyo dahil kayo lang ang tama.

[the_wildthing]

I stick to the argument and backed it facts from wikipedia which is quite a good resource for educational purposes. If I'm a Honda fanboy and rubs off people like you, it's not my fault. Ika nga... talo ang maasar. He-he-he-he-....

Sorry to burst your bubble boy but Wikipedia isn't exactly an authoritative resource. Anyone can write anything on Wikipedia.

[OTEP]

You can't do much about someone who has blind faith in a car company.

My sig may say Mitsu and I do have my preferences but I do not put all my eggs in one basket (or in this case, a car company).

As for my opinion, Hondas are way overrated in may aspects. I'd rather take the underdogs. But that's just me.

[the_wildthing]

I guess my question to always_yummy is, on what terms/criteria is the comparo? Is it about which is better technologically?

[slicker_boi]

You can't do much about someone who has blind faith in a car company.

True true. We have here ferdine who's faithful to Civics no matter what. There's also a certain self-proclaimed cute*ss car guy who for some reason has a fetish for Sentras. There's nothing wrong with liking a particular brand, but facts are facts. One should accept the weakness of the brand he likes and refrain from pointlessly defending it.

[alwayz_yummy]

sa akin lang, honda is good naman, pero way too madami na sa road natin, which somewhat i dont like...b16a, vtec, parang word of "filipino" mouth na yan...

pero in fact, 2 cam lobes lang ang vtec, MIVEC, 3..pero needs high octane rating. 4age silver and black top is not as noisy as honda b-engine..now k-series engines na ata) personally, i havent seen a SR16VE, nadidinig ko pa lang siya, and 2 years ago ko lang siya nalaman.. ang alam ko lang is SR20VET! the first turbocharged VVT engine, 2.0L rated stock at 280hp!

by comparision, nissan makes first in in VVT technology. just like in CVT(continuosly vaiable tranny). actually, a honda fan again will say una ang honda, well infact, JDM sentra and serena models 1998 is already using it, and ga16 and sr20de mga yun, not 1.5 and 1.3. take the murano, v6 3.something, pero CVT, mga year 200 pa ako nakakita ng USDM models, na happy to say pareho dito...pero OT na yaung CVT..VVT topic ko.

purpose ko nito, is research. if ever i will get a honda, ayaw ko ng kapareho ng typical honda fan..mitsu, subbie, mazda and nissan fan ako,e...recently lang ako naconvert sa toyota..honda, well, CR/HR-v and odyssey, lang...but trying to pit in somehow...may honda tuning ako na libro dito, vol. 1, includes swapping guide from civic EF-EK, inluding CRX and del sols, accord 92-2000, also prelude..kaya madami na akong guide for honda..but how does the other VVT engines pit in against the loud honda vtec?

ang isa pang gusto ko sa VVT engines, mostly NA siya, no turbo lag, and fast spinners: 7000+rpm redline... may VVT engine ba that goes 10,000rpm(max) honestly.

pansin nyo mga recent threads ko, ung civic shuttle, mazda astina/lantis, wira hatch, corolla wagon consider ko din, cheap wagon/hatches..may maxima din ako(na coconvince ko nalang si mami na wag ibenta, kasi nadesisyonan na nya) swapan ko sr20ve/sr16ve..20det, parang common na masyado, pero ok din.. e..

*loud-->di yon tunog ng makina, loud i mean is yung masyado siyang bukang-bibig, lalo na ng mga wanna-be and boy racers..i'm glad dami inputs about this here. locally avail vvt engine din habol ko (honda b-, 4age20v black/silver), MIVEC, ung SR16VE baka walang makasagot kasi uber rare dito sa atin yan, sr20ve, ganun din ba?...of all VVT engines here sa atin, nissan is the most silent one. parang tipong enthusiast talaga nakakaalam..

[mazdamazda]

Surprise! Orly and mazda are both the same guy.

And then you tell us na naasar kami? :charing:

Now I know. I have my opinion about variable valve timing and I would like to convince the first poster about the merits of i-VTEC.

So what have you done to convince the first poster?

Just posted some artciles from wikipedia? That's it? :lol:

Me? Did I bash i-VTEC? Heck no... I even argued that it is also one of the most technological advanced VVT system (cam-phasing & cam-changing). Just a notch below VarioCam Plus & VVTL-i.

Problema kasi kung hindi mag agree ang opinion ng ibang tao sa inyo, ibabasura nyo dahil kayo lang ang tama.

Ibabasura?

That's just plain debating. As you said...

Ika nga... talo ang maasar. He-he-he-he-.

Sino kaya ang naasar?

:busted:

[ferdine]

:boom1: [QUOTE=mazdamazda;630438]
Just posted some artciles from wikipedia? That's it? :lol:
[QUOTE]

At least wikipedia though anybody could write, is more authoritative and accurate than you.

Sino kaya ang naasar?
:busted:

Sino nga kaya?
Sino nga kaya ang na rub off in the wrong way sa honda fanboy na katulad ko? Itanong mo kay Orly? If I address it to you, orly answers, if I address it probably to Orly ikaw naman ang sasagot... he-he-he-he-:boom1:

[mazdamazda]

At least wikipedia though anybody could write, is more authoritative and accurate than you.

Can you point out which of my previous post/s is not accurate?

Can you are to explain to me why i-VTEC is technologically more superior to VarioCam Plus?

Sino nga kaya?
Sino nga kaya ang na rub off in the wrong way sa honda fanboy na katulad ko? Itanong mo kay Orly? If I address it to you, orly answers, if I address it probably to Orly ikaw naman ang sasagot... he-he-he-he-

Uhh...

ALL OF US?

:hihihi:

[ferdine]

Can you point out which of my previous post/s is not accurate?
:

Pikon ka pala he-he-he-he... itanong mo kaya sa sarili mo.

Can you are to explain to me why i-VTEC is technologically more superior to VarioCam Plus?
:

Wala kong sinabi... baka ikaw...

Uhh...

ALL OF US?

:hihihi:

Haaayhhhhhh. Bandang huli umamin rin.:peace:

[alwayz_yummy]

di pa kasi ko leaned sa honda vtec..mahal ang engine, pero powerwise, other manufacturers can give more...yep its highly in-demand, pero, having what everybody will always want, makes me turn away..kaya siguro maxima nabagsak sa akin...kahit local, rare sight.

mahirap magspend ng more than 50-60 thou sa engine lang, madaming considerations,e... query ko to kasi, CA20 8valve sohc electro-carb engine etong maxima, drink as much as your VQ20/6a12/13...a typical 4.0 ford v6, pero 2.0L lang akin...kaya papalitan na ng mom ko... have no direct background sa vvt..pero great potential. i'm focused more on vvt 1.6-1.8L(madali i-justify kaysa sa 2.0v6/4g63..much more ung 2.2 and 2,5L) so take advantage ko technology ng vvt.

either honda or toyota lang may options for vvt, nissan, masyadong bago pa, and expensive...and not much na resale ng maxima kasi,e..konti lang maidadag-dag..

[alwayz_yummy]

guys, wag kayo magaway dito...i dont want to proke this.... i just want comparison..i'm glad naka 4 pages na ito...pero sana respetuhan nalang ung opinion,ha?

i just wanna know which vvt engine is "worth it"? siyempre by comparison...actual users also...

[ferdine]

nissan, masyadong bago pa, and expensive...and not much na resale ng maxima kasi,e..konti lang maidadag-dag..

Squala's input earlier on SR16VE is a good alternative.

[alwayz_yummy]

pero hirap at uber rare daw....kung civic shuttle/civic ferio(sedan) makukuha ko, b-series ako. kung rolla, wagon particular, / echo verso(funcargo), 4age swap..

nissan, well, exalta/gts is fine by me...

if protonwira hatch/librero(lancer wagon)/spacewagon, mivec swap.

so by choices, civic and toyota will be the oldest model, newer pag mitsu based/mitsu and lalo na pag nissan.

i ask kung aling vvt engine is the best kasi may relationship sa paghahanap ko ng replacement sa maxima,e...1.6-1.8L lang limit ko kasi,e...