2011 H100 vs 2008 Urvan

**joaquim** · April 20th, 2011 11:14 AM

Planning to enter the school bus business. Pinagiisipan ko kung ano mas maganda at praktikal sa dalawa.

H100:
PRO: - P818,000 brand new pwede iutang sa banko at maganda ang dating sa mga parents dahil bago pa sya.
- Wala problema in the next five years dahil may warranty sya
- tingin ko masarap imaneho (komportable) kaysa sa L300 dahil bago design.
- Mas marami sakay 21 seater at maluwag pa sa mga bag

CON: - Hindi ako magddrive.
- resale value nya, pag hindi ganun kaganda ang school bus biz malaki ang depreciation nya since brand new.
- Wala ako balita sa performance ng engine nya
- Baka mahina nag pang-ilalim nya. Starex ko na 2008 medyo may kalampag na sa ilalim ingat pa ako magmaneho lalo na sa lubak.

2007/08 Nissan Urvan:
PRO: - Proven reliability, Gamit ng mga GT express sigurado may piyesa at kaya gawin ng mekaniko sa kanto.
- Depreciation value hindi ganun kalaki ang tama pag binenta since second hand na sya.

CON: - Second hand
- konti ang sakay (12/15/18 seater) masikip pag may bag
- baka hindi ko maiutang sa banko since second hand o mas mataas ang rate nya.
- iba iba ang kulay.

Plano ko po kasi maglabas ng 2 to 3 na sasakyan. Tulong naman po mga tsikoteers want to know your opinion on this.

Maraming salamat po

**joaquim** · April 23rd, 2011 10:47 AM

any opinions po?

**OTEP** · April 23rd, 2011 11:50 AM

Opinion ko lang po:
*Hindi Pro ang 5 year warranty ng H100 dahil 5 years mo din siya kailangan ipa-service sa casa para mamaintain ang warranty. Sa laki ng gagastusin mo dun, kahit may malaki pang masira sa Urvan, hindi pa din siguro aabot sa laki ng magasasta mo sa 'Casa maintenance'. Advantage lang nun, maintenance siya and hindi siya downtime (less likely tumirik habang naghahatid ng mga bata). Pero kung may iba ka namang unit na pwede mag-back up, bale wala na sa iyo ang matirikan ng sasakyan kahit mga once a year lang.

*Masarap i-drive dahil bago. Tama po iyan. Mas madali din para sa driver gamitin yung mga controls kasi updated ang ergonomics niya unlike sa Urvan na malayo ang radio sa driver, yung mga controls walang ilaw kapag gabi, etc. Typical 1980's ergonomics. Ni walang lalagyan ng baso yung Urvan. Iniipit ko pa sa hita ko yung softdrinks ko para kong tanga. Yun nga lang nasasandal ang upuan ng Urvan at naaatras kung matangkad ka. Sa H100, babangga ka na sa rear wall ng cab if you try this.

*Pwede mo naman ikuha ng roof rack ang Urvan.

*Ano ba ang engine ng H100 ngayon? Kung yung 2.5 same lang siya ng sa Adventure at Pajero dati. Kung 2.7 na din, same iyan ng sa Pregio yung malakas mag-overheat pag naluma. Urvan, bulletproof ang engine nun. Ganun ang mga ambulance na nasasakyan ko. Hataw araw araw parang kumakarera pero hindi naman madali bumigay.

*Overall, I'd look at getting a second hand Urvan na makinis pa. Just make sure pa-check mo din ang aircon kasi baka mainitan mga bata.

*Yung H100 mas madali linisin ang passenger compartment. Taas mo lang upuan then kahit i-hose mo loob la problema. Sa Urvan may carpet pa and hindi natatanggal agad mga upuan.

*Btw, mas kumportable daw for kids yung naka-upo ng paharap kesa pa-gilid. Ayun lang sa mga chikiting dito.

I think the parents will appreciate that too.

**OTEP** · April 23rd, 2011 11:51 AM

Opinion ko lang po:
*Hindi Pro ang 5 year warranty ng H100 dahil 5 years mo din siya kailangan ipa-service sa casa para mamaintain ang warranty. Sa laki ng gagastusin mo dun, kahit may malaki pang masira sa Urvan, hindi pa din siguro aabot sa laki ng magasasta mo sa 'Casa maintenance'. Advantage lang nun, maintenance siya and hindi siya downtime (less likely tumirik habang naghahatid ng mga bata). Pero kung may iba ka namang unit na pwede mag-back up, bale wala na sa iyo ang matirikan ng sasakyan kahit mga once a year lang.

*Masarap i-drive dahil bago. Tama po iyan. Mas madali din para sa driver gamitin yung mga controls kasi updated ang ergonomics niya unlike sa Urvan na malayo ang radio sa driver, yung mga controls walang ilaw kapag gabi, etc. Typical 1980's ergonomics. Ni walang lalagyan ng baso yung Urvan. Iniipit ko pa sa hita ko yung softdrinks ko para kong tanga. Yun nga lang nasasandal ang upuan ng Urvan at naaatras kung matangkad ka. Sa H100, babangga ka na sa rear wall ng cab if you try this.

*Pwede mo naman ikuha ng roof rack ang Urvan.

*Ano ba ang engine ng H100 ngayon? Kung yung 2.5 same lang siya ng sa Adventure at Pajero dati. Kung 2.7 na din, same iyan ng sa Pregio yung malakas mag-overheat pag naluma. Urvan, bulletproof ang engine nun. Ganun ang mga ambulance na nasasakyan ko. Hataw araw araw parang kumakarera pero hindi naman madali bumigay.

*Overall, I'd look at getting a second hand Urvan na makinis pa. Just make sure pa-check mo din ang aircon kasi baka mainitan mga bata.

*Yung H100 mas madali linisin ang passenger compartment. Taas mo lang upuan then kahit i-hose mo loob la problema. Sa Urvan may carpet pa and hindi natatanggal agad mga upuan.

*Btw, mas kumportable daw for kids yung naka-upo ng paharap kesa pa-gilid. Ayun lang sa mga chikiting dito.

I think the parents will appreciate that too.

**GTi** · April 24th, 2011 06:19 PM

Ang engine ng H100 is the 79ps 2.6L N/A diesel found in the first of the 1st generation Starex's. Kung ako, ito nalang ikuha ko. It can seat more people and the bags (na kalaki-laki especially for the elementary kids) will not be a problem and would not need to be placed on the roof. And it is a newer design. IMHO kung school bus ang AUV type parin mas practical.

**oliver1013** · April 24th, 2011 06:24 PM

IMO, since 2-3 kukunin mo, kuha tigisa, then yung pangatlo yung tawag ng puso mo, para all covered ka. Nice review sir Otep,btw.

**renzo_d10** · April 24th, 2011 06:31 PM

Originally Posted by GTi

Ang engine ng H100 is the 79ps 2.6L N/A diesel found in the first of the 1st generation Starex's. Kung ako, ito nalang ikuha ko. It can seat more people and the bags (na kalaki-laki especially for the elementary kids) will not be a problem and would not need to be placed on the roof. And it is a newer design. IMHO kung school bus ang AUV type parin mas practical.

AUVs like ? Adventures ? Revos ? They're not practical as school buses IMO since they only sit nine. 10 at most. And this should include the conductor and the driver.

And I haven't seen any AUV school buses.

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BTT : IMO the Urvan would be a better pick. With the reasons the same as Otep's. And it would turn out cheaper too, just make sure that it would not make your head ache because of some engine and aircondition problems as these are the most important facts when having a school bus business.

Pag mainit ang aircon, magrereklamo ang bata.
Pag nasiraan, magrereklamo ang bata.

**OTEP** · April 24th, 2011 06:37 PM

Baka FB type ang ibig sabihin sir.

Practical yun, huwag ka lang kukuha ng matangkad na driver dahil magrereklamo at maikli ang cab.

Engine at aircon. Near bulletproof ang Urvan. Madali din i-service pag nasira.

H100, matibay din naman yung 2.6. Yung aircon hindi ko po alam saan sila kumukuha. Wala po kasing aircon yung units pagdating ng Pilipinas. Baka po sa Phil Air? Don't know kung ano reputation ng systems nila pero wala naman akong naririnig na hindi maganda so far.

**GTi** · April 24th, 2011 06:50 PM

Originally Posted by renzo_d10

AUVs like ? Adventures ? Revos ? They're not practical as school buses IMO since they only sit nine. 10 at most. And this should include the conductor and the driver.

And I haven't seen any AUV school buses.

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BTT : IMO the Urvan would be a better pick. With the reasons the same as Otep's. And it would turn out cheaper too, just make sure that it would not make your head ache because of some engine and aircondition problems as these are the most important facts when having a school bus business.

Pag mainit ang aircon, magrereklamo ang bata.
Pag nasiraan, magrereklamo ang bata.

No, of course not. By AUV I mean the sort with a cab and chassis single cab truck and a rear passenger box. Our church has a few H100's in their shuttle fleet and yes, Phil-Air ang aircon nila, its the one that stretches to the extreme rear and the vents are the circular sort that can fully close. Malamig naman siya.

**renzo_d10** · April 24th, 2011 08:53 PM

Originally Posted by GTi

No, of course not. By AUV I mean the sort with a cab and chassis single cab truck and a rear passenger box. Our church has a few H100's in their shuttle fleet and yes, Phil-Air ang aircon nila, its the one that stretches to the extreme rear and the vents are the circular sort that can fully close. Malamig naman siya.

Oh, yun. When someone says AUV kasi, Adventures, Innova's & the like pops up on my mind first. Thanks for clarifying that up.

Anyways, di ko marerecommend ang L3FB. Rode in one when we were still checking out for houses back 2007 [SIZE=1]-, there was this house kasi that offered a free " ride " papunta sa units nila. -,[/SIZE] Sa likod ako nakasakay nun. It was a back and forth trip and medyo malayo yung houses. The ride was very bumpy. Aircon is not that good. Hindi kaya yung afternoon sun. And nakakahilo.

The versa van on the other hand is more tolerable. Pero bumpy pa rin if you're seated at the last row. A/C is so-so, hindi din ganun kalakas as compared to the Urvan pero mas kaya niya afternoon sun compared to the FB as long as ipapartner mo siya w/ SUPER BLACK tint.