TD27 vs 4JA1

[yapoy86]

nakakita ako kanina sa may coastal road.. nissan urvan (shuttle service) vs isuzu crosswind (a/t turbo).. nagkarera sa may coastal road.. grabe siguro pissed off yung driver ng xwind sa urvan kaya kinarera nya.. nakow po nagbuga ng pagkaitim itim na usok yung crosswind as in wala ka makikita kung nasa likod ka!! para lang mahabol at unahan yung urvan... ayun hirap na hirap yung crosswind lampasan yung urvan..

grabe yung 4JA1 ng crosswind considering na bagong bago pa kasi yung plates na starts "N" eh sobrang usok talaga.. todo bigay na hindi pa din umabot..

ano ba mas malakas 4JA1 or TD27.. kasi turbo na yung 4JA1 hirap pa din sa TD27 na naturally aspirated lang

[roberto_minosa]

TD27 for the epic win. Kasi kahit yung TD25 lang ng Eagle napaabot ng 165km/h ng erpat ko...that was back in 1997 or '98. 4 kaming sakay. Hindi nakakalula yung ride. Yung service na Urvan 2.7 dito sa amin na byaheng GSIS, 115km/h cruising with 16 passengers.

4JA1? Naka 3 yata kaming Crosswind, walang umabot ng 140km/h. Lahat kasi A/T. Yung M/T kaya daw 150km/h, tapos may video sa YouTube "Isuzu Panther" (Crosswind sa Indonesia yata) takbo 160km/h.

[blue_gambit]

To compare the td27 & 4ja1 based on speed, wouldn't be right. these are workhorse diesel engines not racing engines. Also you have to consider transmission gear ratio and final gear ratio. Give them both the same tranny and differential then it may be, but its still no yard stick.

For me reliability & ease of maintenance would be more like it.

Oh, I have hi-lander with a 4ja1 and I raced an bmw x5 back in 2005 at 3am on EDSA from buendia to north ave. we where neck and neck... would that count? hehehe...

[yapoy86]

workhorses nga.. pero bakit sila nakikipag race?? nakakatawa lang kasi talagang sobrang buga ng usok nung crosswind as in wala ka talaga makikita sa sobrang kapal..

i have a kia carnival before.. mausok din lalo na pag idle same ng crosswind na mausok pag idle.. yun pag binira mo sa highway uusok din na makapal pero for sure sobrang bilis mo na nun..hehehe.. well sana lang improve ng isuzu yung 4JA1 nila.. yung TD27 matibay din naman malakas pero hindi mausok..

bilib nga ako sa ibang diesel engines eh kahit madumi diesel natin sa pinas still maintain nila na hindi gaano mausok.. sa ibang countries na malapit sa atin like Macau nakow po.. walang usok kahit madami ang diesel engine. mga taxi nila dun altis na diesel walang usok pati mga vans at isuzu trucks..

[niky]

TD27 for the epic win. Kasi kahit yung TD25 lang ng Eagle napaabot ng 165km/h ng erpat ko...that was back in 1997 or '98. 4 kaming sakay. Hindi nakakalula yung ride. Yung service na Urvan 2.7 dito sa amin na byaheng GSIS, 115km/h cruising with 16 passengers.

4JA1? Naka 3 yata kaming Crosswind, walang umabot ng 140km/h. Lahat kasi A/T. Yung M/T kaya daw 150km/h, tapos may video sa YouTube "Isuzu Panther" (Crosswind sa Indonesia yata) takbo 160km/h.

I believe the 160 km/h stories are more artefacts of "optimistic" speedometers rather than actual 160 km/h runs... though 150 might be possible with the newer variants with the 4JA1T and the MT.

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So the 4JA1 isn't the cleanest (in terms of particulates) or the most powerful... but it's one of the most economical... and good economy means low CO2 emissions, low fuel bills and loooong stints between fuel ups.

And the design is simple and robust. Which means you can keep them running for an incredibly long time with minimal maintenance.


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Which is more than I can say for the rattly body and ugly interior... and the handling and brakes are absolutely abysmal. But hey... I use mine everyday... (almost 200k kms na!)... and I like it enough to have joined the Isuzu Diesel Mission raffle (prize is a new Crosswind).

[digitel]

Mas mabilis talaga TD27 compared sa 4JA1 kahit naka turbo pa, low charge turbo lang naman kasi yun eh. At oo mausok talaga yun! Ahahaha! Pero parang hindi bagay i-compare sila interms of speed, these are workhorse engine like what blue gambit said, these engines are not meant for racing, though they can race but i find it boring to watch compared when seeing drag races here at sta rosa laguna. hehe.

Sir niky ako din sumali hehe.

[XTO]

That's 2.5 against 2.7. Matic against A/T. Di talaga makaka diskarte yung A/T driver. Kung M/T Crosswind may laban yun.

[XTO]

Correction: Matic vs M/T

[cocoy]

if the urvan was empty.. then yes it would be faster than the Isuzu..

[digitel]

Correction: Matic vs M/T

+1 talo talaga dito yung crosswind lalu na kung matic pa siya, kaya sobra din yung usok na nakita mo TS hehe.