TD27 vs 4JA1

[yapoy86]

nakakita ako kanina sa may coastal road.. nissan urvan (shuttle service) vs isuzu crosswind (a/t turbo).. nagkarera sa may coastal road.. grabe siguro pissed off yung driver ng xwind sa urvan kaya kinarera nya.. nakow po nagbuga ng pagkaitim itim na usok yung crosswind as in wala ka makikita kung nasa likod ka!! para lang mahabol at unahan yung urvan... ayun hirap na hirap yung crosswind lampasan yung urvan..

grabe yung 4JA1 ng crosswind considering na bagong bago pa kasi yung plates na starts "N" eh sobrang usok talaga.. todo bigay na hindi pa din umabot..

ano ba mas malakas 4JA1 or TD27.. kasi turbo na yung 4JA1 hirap pa din sa TD27 na naturally aspirated lang

[roberto_minosa]

TD27 for the epic win. Kasi kahit yung TD25 lang ng Eagle napaabot ng 165km/h ng erpat ko...that was back in 1997 or '98. 4 kaming sakay. Hindi nakakalula yung ride. Yung service na Urvan 2.7 dito sa amin na byaheng GSIS, 115km/h cruising with 16 passengers.

4JA1? Naka 3 yata kaming Crosswind, walang umabot ng 140km/h. Lahat kasi A/T. Yung M/T kaya daw 150km/h, tapos may video sa YouTube "Isuzu Panther" (Crosswind sa Indonesia yata) takbo 160km/h.

[blue_gambit]

To compare the td27 & 4ja1 based on speed, wouldn't be right. these are workhorse diesel engines not racing engines. Also you have to consider transmission gear ratio and final gear ratio. Give them both the same tranny and differential then it may be, but its still no yard stick.

For me reliability & ease of maintenance would be more like it.

Oh, I have hi-lander with a 4ja1 and I raced an bmw x5 back in 2005 at 3am on EDSA from buendia to north ave. we where neck and neck... would that count? hehehe...

[yapoy86]

workhorses nga.. pero bakit sila nakikipag race?? nakakatawa lang kasi talagang sobrang buga ng usok nung crosswind as in wala ka talaga makikita sa sobrang kapal..

i have a kia carnival before.. mausok din lalo na pag idle same ng crosswind na mausok pag idle.. yun pag binira mo sa highway uusok din na makapal pero for sure sobrang bilis mo na nun..hehehe.. well sana lang improve ng isuzu yung 4JA1 nila.. yung TD27 matibay din naman malakas pero hindi mausok..

bilib nga ako sa ibang diesel engines eh kahit madumi diesel natin sa pinas still maintain nila na hindi gaano mausok.. sa ibang countries na malapit sa atin like Macau nakow po.. walang usok kahit madami ang diesel engine. mga taxi nila dun altis na diesel walang usok pati mga vans at isuzu trucks..

[niky]

TD27 for the epic win. Kasi kahit yung TD25 lang ng Eagle napaabot ng 165km/h ng erpat ko...that was back in 1997 or '98. 4 kaming sakay. Hindi nakakalula yung ride. Yung service na Urvan 2.7 dito sa amin na byaheng GSIS, 115km/h cruising with 16 passengers.

4JA1? Naka 3 yata kaming Crosswind, walang umabot ng 140km/h. Lahat kasi A/T. Yung M/T kaya daw 150km/h, tapos may video sa YouTube "Isuzu Panther" (Crosswind sa Indonesia yata) takbo 160km/h.

I believe the 160 km/h stories are more artefacts of "optimistic" speedometers rather than actual 160 km/h runs... though 150 might be possible with the newer variants with the 4JA1T and the MT.

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So the 4JA1 isn't the cleanest (in terms of particulates) or the most powerful... but it's one of the most economical... and good economy means low CO2 emissions, low fuel bills and loooong stints between fuel ups.

And the design is simple and robust. Which means you can keep them running for an incredibly long time with minimal maintenance.


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Which is more than I can say for the rattly body and ugly interior... and the handling and brakes are absolutely abysmal. But hey... I use mine everyday... (almost 200k kms na!)... and I like it enough to have joined the Isuzu Diesel Mission raffle (prize is a new Crosswind).

[digitel]

Mas mabilis talaga TD27 compared sa 4JA1 kahit naka turbo pa, low charge turbo lang naman kasi yun eh. At oo mausok talaga yun! Ahahaha! Pero parang hindi bagay i-compare sila interms of speed, these are workhorse engine like what blue gambit said, these engines are not meant for racing, though they can race but i find it boring to watch compared when seeing drag races here at sta rosa laguna. hehe.

Sir niky ako din sumali hehe.

[XTO]

That's 2.5 against 2.7. Matic against A/T. Di talaga makaka diskarte yung A/T driver. Kung M/T Crosswind may laban yun.

[XTO]

Correction: Matic vs M/T

[cocoy]

if the urvan was empty.. then yes it would be faster than the Isuzu..

[digitel]

Correction: Matic vs M/T

+1 talo talaga dito yung crosswind lalu na kung matic pa siya, kaya sobra din yung usok na nakita mo TS hehe.

[niky]

Hay... mukhang talo ako sa diesel misson. Biro mo... parang 20 km/l ang nakuha! bad trip!

RE: crosswind Automatic Transmission: I've said it before:

"Full throttle.. half throttle... full throttle... half throttle... notice the difference? Nope? Neither did I. "

[digitel]

Ako din sir niky eh talo nag 20.9 km/l ata yung crosswind, eh ang computation ko nasa 16km/l lang, kahit ginawa ko 58 liters ng diesel hehe.

Meron kaya nag ra-race na crosswind at urvan? sila lang siguro, A/T pa hehe. Hindi na ako papatol sa alam kong matatalo ako.

[vinj]

I believe the 160 km/h stories are more artefacts of "optimistic" speedometers rather than actual 160 km/h runs...

I hit around nearly 180kph on my Frontier before (TD27, m/t) with the Nissan mechanic onboard.... but this was on that downhill grade on STAR Toll going back to Sto. Tomas with a lot of leeway. On flat roads, 145 to 150kph is barely doable.

Funny coz i was just jockeying a Crosswind A/T a while ago in the office lot (to get to a Tucson parked behind) and it wouldn't jerk forward even if i half throttled it from standstill. When i got into the Hyundai Tucson, i didn't even go half throttle and it just jumped forward.

[kompressor]

Talo talaga yung 4JA1 na A/T.

Paakyat kami sa Tagaytay from Talisay on board a TD27 Urvan with 10 people on board and we chanced upon this gold XUVi na patay na aircon and was crawling uphill at maybe 5-10km/h?

I never got to check kung anong letter nag start yung plate niya coz of all the black smoke engulfing him.

[niky]

Talo talaga yung 4JA1 na A/T.

Paakyat kami sa Tagaytay from Talisay on board a TD27 Urvan with 10 people on board and we chanced upon this gold XUVi na patay na aircon and was crawling uphill at maybe 5-10km/h?

I never got to check kung anong letter nag start yung plate niya coz of all the black smoke engulfing him.

Medyo OA naman yung driver na yun. Slotted down into 2nd or D (OD Off), we can maintain about 40-60 km/h going uphill. On the steeper roads, 20-30, puwede pa.

The only time you'll have it crawling at 10 km/h is if it's a really steep grade.

[blue_gambit]

Talo talaga yung 4JA1 na A/T.

Paakyat kami sa Tagaytay from Talisay on board a TD27 Urvan with 10 people on board and we chanced upon this gold XUVi na patay na aircon and was crawling uphill at maybe 5-10km/h?

I never got to check kung anong letter nag start yung plate niya coz of all the black smoke engulfing him.

Mahina lang driver nun, eh palace in the sky naka aircon at 10 kami lahat no sweat sa hi-lander ko 2.5 m/t. Sus 5-10km/h? Anu yun naka idle? kahit nga naka hand brake uusod parin 4ja1 eh...

[pol3]

Talo talaga yung 4JA1 na A/T.

Paakyat kami sa Tagaytay from Talisay on board a TD27 Urvan with 10 people on board and we chanced upon this gold XUVi na patay na aircon and was crawling uphill at maybe 5-10km/h?

I never got to check kung anong letter nag start yung plate niya coz of all the black smoke engulfing him.

Oa na to. Malamang my problem na yung makina. We always bring our sportivo a/t sa tagaytay with 8 adults may karga pang gamit sa bubong hindi naman nahuhuli sa ibang sasakyan. Pag maluwag ang kalye paspas din naman, pag may mabagal na sasakyan sa harapan edi overtake kami. Black smoke wala rin. Yun nga lang pagbalik namin galing Tagaytay direcho sa shell slex mga kasama naming sasakyan kami direcho na pauwi.

I once had a black 3.2 a/t 4x4 Frontier pleasure series. Ganda sana parang SUV ang features sa loob nga lang lakas lumamon ng diesel. Got it brand new. It was a disaster for me kasi my monthly payment plus FC of 6 km/l paktay. Had to sell it to a friend with assume balance. Pero it still is for me, until now, the most handsome pick-up ever.

[cocoy]

confirmed ba that the Urvan had the orig spec TD27 engine?baka naman pinalitan na ng 3.2 nga makina.. or maybe turbo nga TD27. kasi from my experience ang bagal talaga ng urvan.. lalo na pag mai sakay.. na try ko narin ang crosswind AT turbo.. and i terms of arangkada.. parehas lang para saken..

drving on SLEX naman 120kmph on the AT crosswind was ok din naman.. hindi hirap ang makina.. where as when you compare to Urvan.. ang ugong na ng makina..

[coiter]

ano ba hp and torque rating ng 4JA1? ang alam ko yung TD27 ng terrano nasa 79hp lang e.

[yapoy86]

the urvan is the ordinary shuttle service yung bang garage to terminal.. mas mahaba at flat nose pa yung urvan with N/A engine compared sa xwind turbo A/T eh nahirapan pa din yung 4ja1. maybe because of xwinds xtra large tires for its engine..

yesterday nasa car wash ako nakaupo and in front of me is a xwind xuv.. paalis na yung owner.. he started the engine.. natawa lang ako kasi yung buong front fascia nung vehicle eh nanginginig..

di ba meron eco diesel something program ang isuzu?? may ads pa sila na how long isuzu can go.. pero sana improve din nila yung engines nila na sikat like 4ja1 and make a crdi version like mitsu 4d56 na may crdi version na.. yung 4jx1 kasi kabaligtaran ng 4ja1.. isuzu should make some progress lalo na sa diesel.. diesel king pa naman sila eh napag iwanan na ata

we also had an auv with isuzu engine C-190.. grabe tibay nyan.. mahal pa kahit surplus.. pero maingay, mayanig.. pero nung nagpalit kami ng ibang vehicle with a different diesel engine na mas tahimik, mas malakas at hindi mayanig.. ayoko na ulet ng isuzu.. sakit kaya sa katawan yung traffic na mayanig na maingay pa..