TCi vs CRDi

[pup2]

Ask ko lang sa inyo ... does it still make sense to get a non-CRDI diesel today? I'm asking lang kasi yung Starex almost 400K ang mahal nung CRDi unit sa non-CRDi. Kaso kung kukuha ka naman ng TCi unit baka naman mapag-iwanan ka na ng panahon at ng service and parts support?

[ianmitsulancer]

Ask ko lang sa inyo ... does it still make sense to get a non-CRDI diesel today? I'm asking lang kasi yung Starex almost 400K ang mahal nung CRDi unit sa non-CRDi. Kaso kung kukuha ka naman ng TCi unit baka naman mapag-iwanan ka na ng panahon at ng service and parts support?

if you are budget constraint, you can still go for the TCi. looking at the present day brand new adventure (non TCi and Rotary type fuel injection) and pajero field master, it is still using this tried and tested format. also, the 4D56 has been around for some time now- kahit nakapikit ang mekaniko- he can still do fix the engine!

you can worry about this engine going prehistoric by say... uhm... year 2020, presumably! by that time, you would have sold that starex na!

[lui]

depende po. ung ibang tci model kasi kahit power lock at side mirror wala :sad:

[pup2]

depende po. ung ibang tci model kasi kahit power lock at side mirror wala :sad:

Ugh. Ouch. Salamat, lui. Akala ko kasi pareho lang sila ng trim and features eh.

[mark_t]

Ask ko lang sa inyo ... does it still make sense to get a non-CRDI diesel today? I'm asking lang kasi yung Starex almost 400K ang mahal nung CRDi unit sa non-CRDi. Kaso kung kukuha ka naman ng TCi unit baka naman mapag-iwanan ka na ng panahon at ng service and parts support?

Hindi ka naman mapag iiwanan, andami pa nga mercedes na luma dyan na tumatakbo pa at may new old stock parts pa.

[Dieseldude]

Old technology ang TCI. Practical mag TCI kung nasa probinsiya ka dahil maraming nakakaalam magrepair nito.

Kung nasa city ka naman, ok mag CRDI. Available ang support dito sa new technology engines. Matibay ang CRDI basta gumamit lang tayo ng original fuel filters and clean diesel fuel. Medyo sensitive ang CRDI sa fuel quality and "water in fuel".

[GSTM9]

Aside from the obvious benefits of increased power and torque, does the CRDi really translate into fuel savings?

One can go on about the advantages power wise, but if you end up paying more for the fuel, it defeats the purpose of trying to economize in the first place.

I computed that for a CRDi to recover the higher investment cost over the TCi, one would have to drive for over 12 years or 230,000+km! (this assumes average of 50 km driven per day, or 18,000+ km per year, with TCi averaging 6.5kpl and CRDi 8kpl. The price difference is P300,000 and diesel cost is P38.50/liter).

Can Starex/Grand Starex owners validate these assumptions?

One last thing...the Grand Starex is much heavier than the Gen 3 Starex....expect that the fuel economy will suffer a bit more because of the added weight.

[Dieseldude]

Great calculation GSTM9.

Hyundai should respond to this.

[XTO]

my opinion, TDIC repair pa lang ay hindi na biro what more yung mga CRDi’s when time comes? Considering that the one who will shoulder or even suffer this are the "would be" 2nd, 3rd and so owners. So if I’m going to look for a pre-owned diesel powered, I would still go for non CRDi’s. Dumating ka man sa situation na medyo major eh hindi ganun kabigat.

[Bogeyman]

I'd give CRDi five more years siguro before considering its viability for me, knowing the quality of local diesel fuel.

In the meantime, I'm sticking to my 4D56.

[mazingerZ]

Yan nga rin ang inaalala ko sir xto. What if your warranty expires and you want to have your CRDi equipped vehicle repaired outside the casa? Ano ang mangyayari, malamang di kakayanin ng kanto kanto talyer ang mga ganyan IMHO. With all its electronic thingamajigs. Ako I'd still prefer the old school non CRDi engines.

[niky]

Well... even if your regular kanto-kanto mechanic can't do it, in a few years, there will be quite a few mechanics outside the casa who can do it. There are already guys outside the casa who specialize in it (cue Dieseldude from the Injector HelpDesk...).

Nowadays, there are sando-shorts-slippers guys you can call on to fix your EFi engine... in the near future, it might be possible to do the same for CRDis. And as they become more common, injector prices should go down, and injector durability should go up.

CRDi isn't the be-all and end-all, though... a CRDi engine will not be more economical than a TDi engine with the same displacement and turbo... it'll just be more flexible in terms of power delivery and less polluting. I've driven a whole host of new CRDis and have been disappointed with how they compare, fuel economy wise, to my old 4JA1 Crosswind... but I do prefer to drive a CRDi over that old clunker.

It's priorities. CRDi penetration is greatest in the van and car market, where comfort and smoothness count more than cheapness of maintenance and utility. Regular non-CRDi engines will always have their place here... but there will come a time when emissions regulations will strangle most of these old-school diesels to death... sadly.

[SaberRider]

I can recall the CRDi engine has been here for quite some time, Isuzu Trooper I think was the 1st CRDi engine?

Nwei, one thing about progress is that you can't stop it.
Dati, back in 2005 takot yung mga mechanics sa Banawe na galawin yung Sorento ko kasi pihikan daw yung makina and electrical, eh last year lang ultimo engine tuning and A/V setup pati kung saan nakalagay lahat ng mga wiring eh alam na nila. Same situationn rin with my Altis, New Gen Pajero.

[pup2]

Ang nakakainis lang, for what we perceive as limited improvement (for now), ang laki ng premium sa price. Possibly, they're waiting for inflation to catch up. Pero for now, the premium on the price is what's making me think twice! :sad:

[Type 100]

Ang sa akin lang, older port-injection turbodiesels won't necessarily go the way of the dodo as common-rail direct-injection turbodiesels become more popular, at least in terms of maintenance. I mean, in this age of fuel-injected gas engines, we still see a fair number of cars with carbureted engines and there's still a good number of mechanics who are old hands at curing carb/venturi icing and other carb woes.

As for the price premium, obviously not all of it goes to the newfangled engines; as mentioned you're getting a little more kit along with it. Call it their strategy of making CRDi more palatable to car buyers like you and me.

[pup2]

... By lowering the kit on what used to be a fully loaded injection diesel ... smart but it smacks of Angelica (Marimar) to me.

[denier13]

I'd give CRDi five more years siguro before considering its viability for me, knowing the quality of local diesel fuel.

In the meantime, I'm sticking to my 4D56.

+1 to this!

[Horsepower]

So far ok naman yung SF CRDi (July 2006). No problems, matipid, mabilis and tahimik.

[CVT]

I am sticking with my TCI 4D56.....

The price premium for a CRDi variant is just too much for my budget/capacity...

5303:burp:

[pup2]

Aside from the obvious benefits of increased power and torque, does the CRDi really translate into fuel savings?

One can go on about the advantages power wise, but if you end up paying more for the fuel, it defeats the purpose of trying to economize in the first place.

I computed that for a CRDi to recover the higher investment cost over the TCi, one would have to drive for over 12 years or 230,000+km! (this assumes average of 50 km driven per day, or 18,000+ km per year, with TCi averaging 6.5kpl and CRDi 8kpl. The price difference is P300,000 and diesel cost is P38.50/liter).

Can Starex/Grand Starex owners validate these assumptions?

One last thing...the Grand Starex is much heavier than the Gen 3 Starex....expect that the fuel economy will suffer a bit more because of the added weight.

I figured as much. Kaya nga Stavic ang kinuha ko eh. Korean CRDi pero based on 10-year old MB tech. Madami dami na marunong tumingin, at the same time tested na, kasing mura pa ng TDi but with more complete kit.

Kaya yata nagkaron ng Ex-Future Hyundai Starex 4th Gen Owners Club sa ibang thread eh.