Honda Jazz vs. Channa Benni

[paolorenzo]

Apples to sayote comparison muna tayo ha. I don't mean to start a heated arguement, lalo sa mga fanbois.

The 1.3 A/T Chana Benni has all the bells and whistles (projector headlights, electronic power steering, dual airbags, ABS w/ EBD, etc), yet is priced at sub 500k (495k yata).

With the new Jazz coming out next month, surely the 1.3 A/T variant comparable to the Benni's specs will be about 200k more expensive. 200k! :shocked2:

Assuming the following:
- used for daily drive, about 1000kms/month, purely city driving.
- will sell car after 5 years (after 60-month car plan completes).

Ako, siguro Benni na ako. Then spend 40k for ICE, 10k for Vkool tints, 5k for HID, 5k for leather seat covers, and maybe even 40k for LPG conversion (SGI). And about 100k still left! Sagot na ang 5 years compre!

Kayo? What will you buy, and why?

[ronw123w124]

Jazz pa rin ako kahit mas mahal by 200k, wala akong kumpyansa sa Chana na yan, not to mention that since the Jazz is a Honda sigurado maraming lalabas na mga dress up and performance parts para dyan.

[drey]

Short comments.

I'd still go for the Jazz, not because we own one but because it's no a brain winner.

-Resale Value
-Honda reliability and safety
-Technology (CVT)
-Environmental impactness (shhh... baka may lead rin ang chinese cars )

[glenn_sp]

jazz pa din.. or yaris, or yung i30..

[drey]

Yup... Also take notice of the Korean offerings. For now, they're far more promising than China products.

[Gerbo]

Indeed, this is apples to sayote comparison....

Jazz will have its own market...but just like those who regularly buy apples medyo upscale ang crowd na tumatangkilik. May glamour yon brand which you pay for..

For the sayotes...i think nobody eat these as is as these are usually panghalo sa hapagkainan. So those who are considering the Chana have budgetary constraints...gusto bumili ng kotse pero 500T lang kasi yon 200T pinaglalaan sa ibang bagay.

Btw, the CB probably is the most promising among the Chinese subcompacts. It can go head-to-head against the Suzuki Alto, the entry level Getz, the Picantos, etc. But what really dampens this particular segment is the availability in the second-hand market of those converted Nissan March for basically a third of the price.

[paolorenzo]

You're right Gerbo. Iba talaga ang market. I just started this comparison thread, to get some insights. Once my car plan becomes avaialable again, I might still decide on the Jazz anyway. Pero 200k is not something one can easily ignore.

I also think that the Benni is the only diamond in the Chinese rough. Engine is same as the Swift (1.3cc Maruti Swift). Styling was independently done in Italy (not a DBD piracy). And an unbelievable feature set which comes standard.

drey may be right that the engine technology is the prime reason for going Jazz. 1.3 VTEC! Sweet... Lead content? :D

I was thinking that maybe this thread would appeal to the Pinoy trait of siding with the underdog.

[Eismann]

I would give the benefit of the doubt to the CB just for the sake of giving it. If ride quality and driving dynamics of this Chinese car will approach that of Honda, then why not. Durability and resale value? Forget it...just use the car till it reaches end of life. It's what it's for anyway but if you could sell it for a logical amount afterwards, then you're lucky.

[meledson]

Kung kaya ng budget ang Jazz, Jazz na lang. Safe choice.

[tidus1203]

I also go for the Jazz. Its more expensive but its worth more than the price difference. Anyway there will be a new Jazz and if you compare the Benni to that one tama ka they are so much world's apart.

[overboost]

As of now tama talaga yan comparison logic mo Apples to Sayote.

But...he he he yung kapit bahay namin na may Jazz (blue color also) na intriga sa Benni kasi although nahihiya, lagi ang sama ng tingin sa Benni almost the same size kasi

Body Designed by Italians - Dito lang lamang ang Benni

Sa Jazz muna ako dito pero watch out guys if Chana continues to improve their engineering prowess or leadership (it shows naman sa on how the Benni was executed), give it less than 5 years baka maging Apples to Chinese Red Apples na ang comparison.

[mbeige]

I don't want to be biased but it has been shown that most Chinese-made cars fail miserably on crash tests. In my opinion that is a very huge factor for deciding what car to get. Do you think your life is not worth the extra P200,000?

[paolorenzo]

*overboost, lamang rin naman yung projector headlights di ba? Sa bagay, not sure pa tayo sa final specs of the upcoming Jazz. Coming from a Benni owner, I was a bit surprised that the Jazz still got your vote.

*mbeige, crash tests are important, yes. But there are so many factors during crashes. And with Manila driving conditions, crashes will probably not be high speeds. So crash test results won't necessarily make up for 200k. Besides, CB already has dual airbags standard.

[SIZE="1"]Footnote - For those who don't get the Apples vs Sayote comparison, McDo Apple pies were called "sayote pies" once upon a time. Probably one of those urban legends a decade ago, to pull down Ronald's rep.[/SIZE]

[Altis6453]

I guess it boils down to what you're looking for in the sub-compact car category. Yes, the CB has all the bells and whistles at a lower price but you can't ignore the niggling concerns on build quality, durability, parts and service availability and resale value --- which advantages the Jazz comes with.

Maybe those who brought in CB would do well to become more aggressive with their products and after-sales service (i.e. number of dealers, service centers, parts and accessories), as well as hype (events or promos using their vehicles). That's how the Japanese car brands built their market share here and its a good model to follow.

[[archie]]

ill still go with the jazz on this...

three reasons:
higher resale value
better technology
better durability

kung yung comparo is about the company car. after 5 years do you have the option of buying the car? sa given budget, yung matira sayo na ba?

kung pareho yes, then CB it is. walang kahirap hirap na 200k, then no upgrades kasi sayang naman kung ICE, HID, etcetera dun mo lang lalagay.

[mbeige]

*overboost, lamang rin naman yung projector headlights di ba? Sa bagay, not sure pa tayo sa final specs of the upcoming Jazz. Coming from a Benni owner, I was a bit surprised that the Jazz still got your vote.

*mbeige, crash tests are important, yes. But there are so many factors during crashes. And with Manila driving conditions, crashes will probably not be high speeds. So crash test results won't necessarily make up for 200k. Besides, CB already has dual airbags standard.

[SIZE=1]Footnote - For those who don't get the Apples vs Sayote comparison, McDo Apple pies were called "sayote pies" once upon a time. Probably one of those urban legends a decade ago, to pull down Ronald's rep.[/SIZE]

You're right, there are many factors in a crash. One of them is technological advancement in the field of automotive research, which Honda has quite a good background in, and have applied it to all their cars with good results so far. That's why large car companies that have succeeded, continue to succeed, because of the information they acquire through their research, and their application of this technology to their cars.

Dual airbags won't help if the crumple zones don't do their job. The Chinese SUV had airbags too, I believe, and still failed miserably. Airbags are part of the SRS - supplementary restraint system and as such, are just a supplementary safety feature. The primary ones are crumple zones and seat belts.

The Jazz is simply far more advanced than the CB in all aspects. That commands the extra P200k. Besides, the CB is more of the Cherry QQ league than the Jazz. Are you saying that the Jazz is just a Channa Benni without the extra P200,000? Of course not, and that's why many people opt for the Jazz.

[yapoy86]

kung ano kaya ng budget dun ako... why spend more on something with the same purpose?? if your purpose is just to drive to get to your destination then ok na ang benni... be practical now that all have price increase... ang question lang talaga sa benni is reliability... but look at other brands like honda now some encountering problems with their CVT...honda is not that good after all..

pero kung gusto nang additional porma, looks, jazz talaga panalo....

yung cherry q and benni ang mag ka tapat.. better alternatives than buying 2nd hand cars.. at least brandnew with warranty pa.. this gives more filipinos a chance of owning brandnew

safety?? bakit pag mahulugan ka ng armored truck from skyway do you think mas ligtas ka sa jazz compared sa benni?? i dont think so.. or while cruising slex biglang may out of control na bus then diretso sayo or may isang dumptruck na walang preno tapos diretso din sayo??

pambenta lang ng mga automakers yung mga crash test na yan...kung barumbado ka mag drive at kaskasero ka kahit anong auto pa yan at puno ng airbags at kung ano ano pang controls pag oras mo na kukunin ka na ni Lord..

ingat sa pag drive yan ang 100% safety...defensive driving, and drive at a normal pace.. hindi yung bibilis babagal, tapos biglang liko

[tidus1203]

^^Reliability and safety goes beyond crashes. Eh di ka nga nabangga pero sirain naman makina mo syempre your safety is also compromise. Eh maybe sa kakaayos mo sa kotse mo yung P200K difference yun na yung Jazz

[pitbullz]

kung kaya ko bumili ng jazz dun ako...ngayon. kung di abot yun pera ko pero kailangan ko na talaga ng bnew na kotse...dun na ako sa tatak na alam kong medyo maayos ang track record. yun alam mong matagal tagal na dito nagbebenta ng oto ang kotse ay hindi tulad ng DVD player na pwede mo lang hayaan yun issue ng reliability etc,mahal yan opinion ko lang po hehehe mabuhay! more choices makes the the consumer more powerful ika nga hehehe

[mbeige]

pambenta lang ng mga automakers yung mga crash test na yan...

If you don't believe in safety then I see why you chose what you chose. Car manufacturers don't spend millions on making their cars safe (and keeping their customers alive) for nothing. At least you'll have some margin of safety against collisions in the Jazz (based on this comparison anyway), compared to Chinese-made cars, that have been shown to fail even at such low speed impacts.

Besides, you can get a manual transmission Jazz if you want to avoid the CVT problems.

Another important factor that I may add, is long term durability not just of the vehicle mechanicals, but also the interior and how it holds up well. From previous threads I've read that the CB smells already like polymer, like plastic. The Jazz does not. Of course only time will tell about the durability of materials used to build the car, but so far Honda has had a good long-standing record for cars they've built.

I don't think CB owners will be truly keeping their car for very long. That alone, also more than makes up for the extra dough you'll shell out for the brand new Jazz. You don't have to get another car to replace the CB, and if you do replace the CB, the Jazz will still have held its value, while you already spent more at that point. The P200,000 you saved when you got the CB is now gone since you'll need to find a replacement for it soon. So which came out cheaper in the long run?

That's why well-built items last so long, and have proven to be so much cheaper in the long run, rather than buying cheap initially, and constantly replacing it.

Just my 2 cents' worth