Kia Sorento vs. Toyota Fortuner

[freespin]

ang daming SORENTO dito sa cebu, mas marami pa ata ang sorento compared to fortuner. kahit saan ka mag punta may sorento kang makikita. kaya nga kia cebu got the 2006 kia dealer of the year dahil sa kanilang surging sales at superb marketing strategy!

[blinker]

Talo ang Sorento sa 'badging', because most people discriminate against Kia. The upside sa Sorento is walang waiting period.

so true. so if you beleive in that philosophy get the fortuner. i vote fortuner. mas maganda ung sorento pero dahil kia nga prang nakakasira ng image kahit gano pa kaganda ung auto, pero kung wala ka nmng pakeelam get the sorento, mas medating lng kc when your driving a fortuner, mas may prestige. palakasan lang yan wen it comes to pila pila. kami we didnt had to wait in line.

[jeanpierre]

so true. so if you beleive in that philosophy get the fortuner. i vote fortuner. mas maganda ung sorento pero dahil kia nga prang nakakasira ng image kahit gano pa kaganda ung auto, pero kung wala ka nmng pakeelam get the sorento, mas medating lng kc when your driving a fortuner, mas may prestige. palakasan lang yan wen it comes to pila pila. kami we didnt had to wait in line.

I think gaya nga ng sinabi ng ka tsikoteer natin before, yang pila-pila na ipinapakita ng mga Toyota dealers is just a phsycological plot lang nila. I think di totoo ang pila. Pag pumayag ka accessories worth 200K-250K which is tubong lugaw sa mga dealer, kuha mo kagad unit mo.

[jeanpierre]

I choose Sorento over Fortuner dahil sa reliability ng engine. D4D engine performance is still questionable compare sa CRDi engine ng Sorento.Para sa akin, masmatibay CRDi engine ng Sorento kasi mostly German technology. Kaya nga di nila ininstall and D4D engine sa bagong Prado/Landcruiser kasi Toyota mismo di sure. Syempre subok muna sa Fortuner

[OTEP]

Its been a few months already. My vote is still with the Kia. Gotta love the underdog.

[jaeger]

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My vote goes to the Sorento. A little research on the net will bring out a lot of surprises about the Sorento.

In reality, the Sorento is more of a European car but just comes with a Korean badge. It was developed by German and Korean engineers at the Kia R&D facility in Russelshiem, Frankfurt Germany (not in Korea) and development started in 1995.

The Sorento project was basically a component integration project. At the onset, the development team agreed not to re-invent the wheel by simply getting the best technologically proven components available in Europe. The end product was a Sorento SUV which had parts coming from all over the world :

Detroit Diesel (US) & Fiat (Italy) developed the DOHC engine for Kia
Bosch (Germany) supplies the entire CRDI fuel injection system
Bosch (Germany) also supplies the anti-lock brake system (ABS+EBD)
Borg-Warner (UK-South Wales Unit) supplies the 4x4 drivetrain based on the same Torque-on-Demand system used by the BL Rovers
Autoliv (Sweden) supplies the airbag (front-side-rear) & safety systems and using Siemens (Germany) impact sensors.
Eaton (US) supplies the ultra hi-tech carbon fibre Limited Slip Differentials

To round up the Sorento for that perfect ride – Kia got Porsche (Germany) for suspension tuning. It was Porsche who in turn got Sachs (Germany) to supply the suspension equipment for the Sorento, as they do for their very own Porsche cars, including the Cayenne. These includes the shock absorbers and the self-leveling suspension system optimized for car-like handling and exceptional towing properties. (note that BMW also uses Sachs suspension components).

So the only things Korean are frame, body shell, interiors and ancillary (non-critical) engine components (fan, belts, radiator, etc.). So with the Sorento, you are really getting a European car under a Korean skin (but unfortunately-with a Korean badge).

New for 2006 Sorentos will be the use of Borg Warner (US Unit) BV43 variable turbine geometry turbocharger.

All the above data are available on the net, just use google- type in Kia Sorento and the name of the component supplier. It's all there.

Objectively, what does the Fortuner have?

It uses a Torsen 4x4 drivetrain, but Torsen is now a Japanese company after the sale by Bosch of their Torsen unit in 2003 to Toyoda Machine Works Ltd. (Japan).

So the Fortuner is a purely Japanese technology SUV with all the legendary reputation the Toyota badge carries.

So take your pick !
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[wingman]

meron ba rin fortuner sa japan? nabasa ko na sa thailand daw to designed and made with the help from toyota japan.

[coiter]

if only the sorento had 3rd row seats, it'd be a no-brainer for me. kaso wala e. and the fortuner looks bigger and taller. plus, i really don't need a hard-core off-roader. so personally, setting the long queue aside, i'd pick the fortuner. but the sorento definitely gets a 2nd, even 3rd look.

[bilog]

even if all the best mechanics in the world put together a car that ends up with a korean name ultimately many buyers would still consider resale value. indeed the sorento is a good car but not all good cars yields vehicle sales. di din naman kasi lahat ng buyer e magtatanong tungkol sa kung sino at kung saang bansa galing ang parte ng isang sasakyan. The mentality today in the philippines is if its a honda or a toyota it must be reliable.

[bilog]

Kaya nga di nila ininstall and D4D engine sa bagong Prado/Landcruiser kasi Toyota mismo di sure. Syempre subok muna sa Fortuner

is that so? too bad for the fortuner...
I chose the 2.7 VVTi variant of the fortuner over crdi because it is cheaper and much more practical for me. although i must admit i almost chose the crdi version of fortuner because of availability issues of gas variants.

[jeanpierre]

is that so? too bad for the fortuner...
I chose the 2.7 VVTi variant of the fortuner over crdi because it is cheaper and much more practical for me. although i must admit i almost chose the crdi version of fortuner because of availability issues of gas variants.

That's okay at least VVTi engine is good and tested na. Konti na lang naman difference nang diesel at gas price. At least may peace of mind ka sa ride mo. Kita mo si Larshell na inis na inis na sa Toyota dahil sa problems ng D4D engine ng ride nya.

[teodoro5599]

ako mas gusto ko fortuner, re D4D engine, its also a common rail technology the same with the engine of BMW, Mercedez and Hyundai/Kia. Sure pa tayo sa reliability of a Toyota, its sister company Lexus is always consistent #1 in the reliability survey of JD powers. maski german tech yun parts of the Sorento, its still made by Kia, I remembered when the range rover was bought by Ford, the engine is bmw, but when Ford took over, ford manufactured the engine of BMW and reliability suffered a lot.
other reason for choosing a Toyota would be its value in the long run, investing over a million pesos for this kind of car mean I will use it more than 5 years.
Im sure by that time it would still as reliable and di pa rin mawawala pogi points sa porma ng fortuner, and syempre were sure if we decide to sell it, it will retain a higher value and it will not be that hard to sell

[mazdamazda]

ako mas gusto ko fortuner, re D4D engine,

I think you may need to read the Toyota D4D Engine Woes thread.

It'll enlighten you on the supposedly "reliable" Toyota engine. Toyota quality has been slipping IMO - or the other manufacturers are already catching up with them.

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One more thing, there is still no recorded carnap / carjack incident for the Sorento AFAIK.

[apexi_66]

ako mas gusto ko fortuner, re D4D engine, its also a common rail technology the same with the engine of BMW, Mercedez and Hyundai/Kia. Sure pa tayo sa reliability of a Toyota, its sister company Lexus is always consistent #1 in the reliability survey of JD powers. maski german tech yun parts of the Sorento, its still made by Kia, I remembered when the range rover was bought by Ford, the engine is bmw, but when Ford took over, ford manufactured the engine of BMW and reliability suffered a lot.
other reason for choosing a Toyota would be its value in the long run, investing over a million pesos for this kind of car mean I will use it more than 5 years.
Im sure by that time it would still as reliable and di pa rin mawawala pogi points sa porma ng fortuner, and syempre were sure if we decide to sell it, it will retain a higher value and it will not be that hard to sell

CRDi engines of BMW, Mercedez benz, Hyundai and Kia is difinitely been tested to be good. Toyota D4D engine is still questionable ( Read "Toyota D4D Engine Woes" as mentioned by Mazdamazda ) Ano gagawin ng pogi points if your ride engine is not that reliable? Even the resale value that most people are mentioning are all useless if your ride engine is not that reliable since it's the heart and soul of your car. Maski Toyota pa yan o BMW o mercedez benz, people will still first check the condition or history of the car engine. Toyota D4D engine in my opinion is still in Limbo sa dami ng reported problems. Take note that sabi sa isang katsikoteer natin dito, sabi sa kanya ng Toyota dealer, they expect D4D engine problems between 12K-120K kilometers. Yong iba pa nga mas earlier pa dyan.

[jaeger]

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You have absolutely zero pogi points kung tumirik yung engine mo and everyone can see you in the middle of the road scratching your head muttering to yourself 'what could possibly have gone wrong with my brand new D4D engine'.

At the Innova thread - one tsikoteer's 2.5 D4D stalled with odo only at 1,200km. (f**k) . . . . talk about legendary Toyota reliability.

Also, the entire CRDI system of the Sorento isn't just korean-made with german technology; it's actually a Bosch unit in there (made in Germany). It's installed by Kia at their korean assembly plant under german supervision . . . . it's like popping up the hood of a Rexton and you'll see a Mercedes Benz turbodiesel engine with a Garrett turbocharger bolted onto it . . . . don't tell me they're made in korea by SsangYong.
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[yuichi]

fortuner sa porma.....although ok din sorento....but mas lamang toyota sa resale aspect..IMHO

[OTEP]

Problema lang, some people can't get over the brand stigma. Problema na nila yun. hehehe. Hindi naman ako brand conscious. Nasa nagdadala iyan.

[cardo]

Problema lang, some people can't get over the brand stigma. Problema na nila yun. hehehe. Hindi naman ako brand conscious. Nasa nagdadala iyan.

That is why companies spend alot of time and money to take care of their reputation and for some companies that are starting, spend alot to build up reputation and their name. It is really hard for a company to sell its products if there is a dark cloud of uncertainty looming over its head

[bilog]

di ba ang problem na naglalabasan eh sa fortuner 2.5 variant pa lang? imho stay away from that variant. sa mga nasagap ko na na report dito i will definitely not recommend that variant... for now.

[acidboy]

if toyota is sooooooo f#cking reliable, how come they make you wait for months to get a unit? don't buy that crap that supply cannot meet the demand! kung gusto nila talaga, they would've refitted and retooled tmpi to assemble fortuners too! they did this na before with the first corolla (16valve)... making you wait for it causes a market demand eh. besides, yang fortuner na iyan is part of the i.m.v. program- meaning ng imv cars that are for developing countires (aka 3rd world) lamang. reasons for that toyota only knows for sure. basta don't expect a fortuner to pound the streets of tokyo or new york or london- no matter what their posters show.

so i must say sorento. besides, i pity those whose primary reason for buying a car is for resale value, imo. di mo pa nga nakukuha iniisip niyo nang ibenta?