Kia Forte vs Honda Civic RS vs Subaru Levorg

**Egan101** · July 20th, 2019 01:54 PM

Originally Posted by hardwang

Out of topic but... the 1.6M base rav4 is a pretty good deal. Other competitors with more toys have smaller engines and some have CVTs. 10 years down the line, those toys will be outdated. Tapos pag may masira na sensor etc, mahal. Won’t buy a car with eyesight.

Rav4 is a good investment if you think long term.

As mentioned, he does not need a CUV as he already has a Forester.

He needs a sedan or hatchback.

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**hardwang** · July 20th, 2019 02:10 PM

Originally Posted by Egan101

As mentioned, he does not need a CUV as he already has a Forester.

He needs a sedan or hatchback.

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Yes, I said its out of topic but just thought I’d comment since the rav4 was mentioned.

With his choices, Levorg 2.0 is the winner although its the most expensive but that is if money is not an issue. I guess the Civic might be the winner when it comes to resale value and reliability, provided he changes the oil and CVT fluid on a strict schedule.... Sayang lang wala na yung Focus (RIP), it still had the best value in my opinion especially with the turbo compacts reaching 1.6M above, even though the engine crapped in mine.

**Wave24/7** · July 20th, 2019 05:54 PM

Originally Posted by hardwang

Out of topic but... the 1.6M base rav4 is a pretty good deal. Other competitors with more toys have smaller engines and some have CVTs. 10 years down the line, those toys will be outdated. Tapos pag may masira na sensor etc, mahal. Won’t buy a car with eyesight.

Rav4 is a good investment if you think long term.

Same reasons why I suggested the Camry. By the way, those high tech sensors are very expensive to replace.

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**hardwang** · July 20th, 2019 06:04 PM

Originally Posted by Wave24/7

Same reasons why I suggested the Camry. By the way, those high tech sensors are very expensive to replace.

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Yes... very, very expensive. Based on what happened to our ford ranger, the windshield was smashed by a branch. Turned out the rain sensor for the auto wiper needed to be replaced too. It costed us more than 60k.

**Walter** · July 21st, 2019 07:33 AM

Cars (in general) are not investments ... The Toyota RAV4 is overpriced ...

**hardwang** · July 21st, 2019 07:36 AM

Originally Posted by Walter

Cars (in general) are not investments ... The Toyota RAV4 is overpriced ...

But it's a better investment than those with CVTs and gimmicky toys. It will age better.

**Egan101** · July 21st, 2019 09:43 AM

Originally Posted by hardwang

But it's a better investment than those with CVTs and gimmicky toys. It will age better.

A vehicle is never an investment. It’s value will always depreciate and you will always need to spend for it. Also, please tell all Vios, Altis, City, Jazz, Civic, HRV, and CRV owners that they made a bad choice or their choice will not age better because their car is equipped with a CVT.

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**dr. d** · July 21st, 2019 11:34 AM

Originally Posted by hardwang

But it's a better investment than those with CVTs and gimmicky toys. It will age better.

"investment".
salesmanspeak.
i agree with egan.
cars are like babies that never grow up.
the only thing that grows in them, is their appetite for maintenance expenses.

**travajante** · July 21st, 2019 11:40 AM

Originally Posted by hardwang

But it's a better investment than those with CVTs and gimmicky toys. It will age better.

Watch Prof. John Kelly of Weber State University open the Aisin 8speed used by Volvo, GM, 2017+ Lexus & some Toyotas. It's an hour's lecture.
Aisin 8-Speed FWD Transaxles - Volvo, Toyota, Lexus, GM - YouTube
They know the limits of CVT.[emoji4]
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**hardwang** · July 21st, 2019 03:01 PM

Originally Posted by Egan101

A vehicle is never an investment. It’s value will always depreciate and you will always need to spend for it. Also, please tell all Vios, Altis, City, Jazz, Civic, HRV, and CRV owners that they made a bad choice or their choice will not age better because their car is equipped with a CVT.

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I’d love to tell them. But people have a tendency not to accept their own car’s shortcomings. Wala pa namang sira ngayon diba? It is what it is. But CVTs will never last as long as a conventional auto unless MAYBE if the fluid is changed regularly. But given people’s treatment of cars as disposable appliances, it probably won’t matter that much 15 to 20 years later. No one holds onto cars that long nowadays.

I believe I used the word “investment” incorrectly. Yes cars are not investment because they will depreciate, you’ll maintain them etc. But what I’m saying is the Rav4 will not be as outdated as some of its competitors 10, 15 or 20 years later. Sensors will be crapping out, some toys will not be as cutting edge, sunroofs will have leaks, carbon deposits will accumulate with DI engines etc.