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    What is the better CUV?is it the mighty CRDi Veracruz or the Nissan player Murano?Pick what's best...

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    [SIZE=3][SIZE=2]I guess this explains your inquiries..[/SIZE]

    Veracruz wins value race[/SIZE]


    [SIZE=2]Hyundai's SUV on same level as Japanese brands, but at lower price

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    In the late 1980s, when I helped my then-teenage daughter buy a used Hyundai Excel as a first vehicle, those cars were selling new for about $4,000.
    The used one I found for her, which was already two or three years old, was a quite affordable $1,800.

    I recently tested the new, 2007 Hyundai Veracruz crossover utility vehicle with a price tag of $38,020 -- nearly 10 times as much as a new Excel 20 years ago -- and marveled at how far this once-struggling South Korean brand has risen.

    After some early quality problems that have long since been corrected, Hyundai steadily has been building its reputation and product lineup to the point at which the company is almost on the same scale as the top Japanese brands.

    In the late '80s, I couldn't even envision a Hyundai vehicle in such a premium price range as the Veracruz. In fact, Toyota was just entering that lofty position with its new Lexus line of upscale vehicles, but there were no Toyota-branded vehicles at the starting price of the Veracruz, which is just $26,995 (including freight).

    Inflation is, of course, the reason for much of the increase in car prices during the past 20 years. But that's not all. You'll definitely get a lot more vehicle for the extra money in today's market.

    Our test vehicle was the top-of-the-line Veracruz Limited all-wheel-drive model (base price $34,695 with freight) with an option package that ran the total up, making it just about the highest-priced version you could find.
    Whether U.S. consumers are ready to pay more than $38,000 for a Hyundai sport utility vehicle remains to be seen, considering that there are a lot of crossover competitors at this price (including a Lexus).

    But at the starting price, with very few (if any) options tacked on to the sticker, the Veracruz comes across as a bargain.

    Hyundai says that while the Veracruz was being developed, it was benchmarked against the Lexus RX 350, whose 2007 model begins at $38,115 (with freight) for the front-drive model and $39,515 for the all-wheel drive.

    Adding the options that were either standard or included on our Veracruz, though -- including leather interior and a rear-seat entertainment system, sunroof, backup warning system and 18-inch alloy wheels, among other things -- would push the all-wheel-drive RX 350 into the upper $40,000s.
    The problem, of course, is that the Veracruz is not a Lexus, and the Hyundai name is not the attention-getter that Lexus is. But with prices starting $11,000 less than those of the RX 350, and with a similarly equipped Veracruz running $7,700 less than the base RX, Hyundai surely wins the value race.

    The Hyundai also stacks up well against other popular crossovers that Veracruz shoppers might consider -- the Honda Pilot, Toyota Highlander, Nissan Murano and Ford Edge. The base Veracruz GLS model with front-wheel drive lists for $3,265 less than a similarly equipped 2007 Highlander and $3,712 less than the '07 Pilot.

    And although Hyundai might have a hard time taking customers away from Honda, Toyota and Nissan, it can offer a great crossover with lots of standard equipment to those who can't quite afford one of those Japanese brands. The Veracruz really is on the same level, but with a lower price.
    This is the third SUV in the Hyundai lineup. It joined the entry compact Tucson and midsize Santa Fe. The Veracruz is built on a stretched and widened Santa Fe chassis to allow for a roomy third row of seating, giving it a maximum capacity of seven.

    There is more cargo volume -- 86.8 cubic feet with the second and third seats folded -- than in all of the Veracruz's direct competitors except for the Pilot (87.6 cubic feet).

    Under the hood is a 3.8-liter V-6 engine rated at 260 horsepower and 257 foot-pounds of torque. That's more than the 244 horsepower of the Pilot and 240 horsepower of the Nissan Murano and close to the power of the redesigned 2008 Highlander. (The 2007 Highlander has just 215 horsepower, however.)

    The V-6 engine is connected to a new six-speed automatic transmission, another feature distinguishing the Veracruz from its competitors. Most of them have five-speed automatics, including the Pilot and the Highlander (including the 2008).The Veracruz automatic comes with a clutchless manual-shift feature, however, which isn't available with the Pilot, Highlander or Murano.

    Fuel-economy ratings are quite decent for a roomy seven-passenger SUV. Using the 2007 EPA formula, the Veracruz is rated at 18 miles per gallon in the city and 25 on the highway vs. 18/24 for the Pilot, 19/25 for the '07 Highlander and 19/24 for the Murano.

    Inside, the Veracruz is quieter than the Pilot, with levels of noise and vibration that nearly match those of the Lexus RX, Hyundai says.
    The Veracruz already has achieved the top five-star crash-test ratings from the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration in frontal- and side-impact testing for all front and rear passengers. It scored four stars in the rollover rating, which is the highest any of the crossovers have received.

    Among standard safety features are electronic stability control with traction control, four-wheel disc anti-lock brakes, and side-curtain air bags for all three rows of seats. Hyundai is the leader in providing stability control as standard equipment on its vehicles, with 73 percent of its 2007 models so equipped vs. 42 percent of Honda's vehicles, the closest competitor.

    Luxury abounds inside the Veracruz. There is nothing cheap- or cheesy-looking. The leather seats are optional on the base model, but standard on the Limited. Our vehicle also had wood-grain interior trim that gave it a premium look.

    Standard on our Limited model were several items that usually are found only on premium brands, and then sometimes only as options. Among them were a power rear liftgate, automatic climate control and a backup warning system.

    Base models come with a single-disc CD player that is MP3-capable, and it also has an auxiliary jack for connecting an iPod or other audio player. XM satellite radio is standard.
    Our Limited model came with the uplevel Infinity audio system with a six-disc CD changer.

    The rear DVD entertainment system on our test vehicle was part of the Ultimate Package ($3,200), which also added a premium black and saddle interior, adjustable pedals, power tilt-and-telescopic steering wheel, rain-sensing wipers, 115-volt power outlet and a keyless entry/start system.

    The key can be left in the pocket, and the doors unlock as the person with the key fob approaches the vehicle.
    No navigation system is offered yet with the Veracruz.
    All-wheel drive adds $1,700 to any trim level, which means that the Limited with just front drive would start at $32,995 (with freight).

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    veracruz for me

    though the gen4 pajero comes very close as 2nd choice.

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    mmm...Hyundai might have another winner with that feature set, at that price point. a full-size SUV with those features that sells for $26-40K would be a winner as long as the quality and reliability are there.

    pero ganyan talaga MO ng Hyundai dito...offer really really good value for money and hope enough buyers out there give them a chance. if they keep on improving their reliability and gain more customers, i would expect them to do what Toyota and Honda did after they were established in the US - start raising prices!

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    It's the Veracruz for me. That 6 cylinder diesel powerplant is interesting Hehehe!

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    Veracruz na. kung may 3M ako, bibili talaga ako ng Veracruz.

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    Siyempre Veracruz

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    veracruz! todo detalye ang interior pati push button automatic close yung hatch! amazing! di ko lang alam sa murano a,

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    Dami ko na nakikita na Murano ngayon. Usually black mga 5 or 6 na yata. Tapos 2 dark blue, parang yung sa Fortuner. 1 copper (tama ba? hehe basta yung parang orange) and silver.

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    i saw 3 veracruz'es on my stay in ghills this day alone. grabe talaga ghills area, pabrika ng luxury cars. i also saw 2 brand new starexes, a number of sta. fe's, a number of no plates bnew BMW's and a fleet of new CRV's on every parking lot corner.

    sa ortigas di ako gano nakakakita ng ganito kadami brand new luxury cars.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oldblue View Post
    i saw 3 veracruz'es on my stay in ghills this day alone. grabe talaga ghills area, pabrika ng luxury cars. i also saw 2 brand new starexes, a number of sta. fe's, a number of no plates bnew BMW's and a fleet of new CRV's on every parking lot corner.

    sa ortigas di ako gano nakakakita ng ganito kadami brand new luxury cars.
    Hehehe pareho yata tayo ng time na nandun. Saw this Volvo sedan na naka-blings, naka-tambay nung una sa tapat ng O.B. tapos nakasalubong ko sa Club Filipino exit. Dun ka din pala, di ko nakita yung blue mo na SF. Ewan ko lang kung same tayo ng nakita din na BMW 3series, ung bluish silver. Ganda ng color

    Syempre di mawawala ung 07 Camry's, CRV's, RAV4's & Expedition's. Sa LSGH din may SF ako nakita, grabe talaga dun sinasakop talaga buong daan.

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    naka-crv lang ako kanina, coding kasi SF eh. yup may nakita ako lowered na 3series pero black naman tapos may antenna na parang fin ng pating.

    sa ortigas metrowalk madami luxury cars dun parati naka-park sa may istayson ng SWAT sa may barbqhan

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    Sa ortigas kita ko lagi yung same SF na nakikita ko everytime. Ung gun metal. Nakakasalubong ko lagi. Yup karamihan dun sa metrowalk naka-setup

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    the veracruz is bigger than the santa fe, right?

    i wonder why they chose not to offer it with a v8? in countries where speeds are higher, it would come in handy...considering all its logical competitors have v8 models...

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    Syempre naman! Veracruz! Satisfied ako sa performance at sa tipid sa gasolina!

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    Quote Originally Posted by M54 Powered View Post
    the veracruz is bigger than the santa fe, right?

    i wonder why they chose not to offer it with a v8? in countries where speeds are higher, it would come in handy...considering all its logical competitors have v8 models...
    it's only slightly bigger. better rear seats & luggage space... but not that big as like an expedition.

    afaik - in the us it comes with a 3.8L V6 (to note that most of its crossover competitors are using 3.5L V6s). the sta. fe there comes with a smaller 2.7L V6.

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    between the two... hmmm... am favoring the veracruz currently since it has a diesel engine here and seats for 7. :2thumbsup:

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    Quote Originally Posted by mazdamazda View Post
    afaik - in the us it comes with a 3.8L V6 (to note that most of its crossover competitors are using 3.5L V6s). the sta. fe there comes with a smaller 2.7L V6.
    True. But, the 2.7L V6 is the base engine. Higher models have the same 3.3L V6 of the Sonata but uprated to 242hp.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jun aka Pekto View Post
    True. But, the 2.7L V6 is the base engine. Higher models have the same 3.3L V6 of the Sonata but uprated to 242hp.
    Yep it comes in two sizes, 2.7L and 3.3L

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    i'd take the Murano... hehe...

    CVT high powered V6 and exotic looks... the Veracruz might be diesel but at its weight and power.... i dont think its gonna be as frugal as i'd want. but it looks good and has nice features too, undeniably.

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    apologies to the threadstarter ....

    but what if we include the Mazda CX-9 in the comparison ?

    was informed by a Mazda SA that it "might" be introduced here in the coming months / before year-end. price will be around 2.5M

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