Hyundai Santa Fe or Honda CR-V?

[wrek]

help!!!!!!!!!

[jarhead]

for me the CRV talaga.. wala na isip2x pa... but downside sa crv is walng diesel, so prepare for some more holes in your wallet when in comes to gasoline... hehehe.... mejo dixcourage alng ako sa sta fe kc my cousin-in-laws dad bought one and just after 2 years of use and a 10,000km on the odometer... he is selling it already.... just didint quite get the reason y though... but he wana sell it fast... hehehe.... ... thats the only downside naman sa crv, the gasoline maintenance.. but its not that matakw compare to other gasoline power SUV of its class.... crv nga ang pinakamatipid sa class nya... and tested narin ang crv... mataas din ang resale value...

[Horsepower]

I think the threadstarter is referring to SantaFe II (aka Santa Fe 2007) which came out last year. Given that, I think the one you've encountered is the old one (which actually is nothing compared to the new one it terms of engine power and design). As every owner I've met made their SF their daily driver for its comfort, power and fuel economy so the 10K in 2yrs is kinda impossible. We logged 25K in just a year.

I'd go for SantaFe (we bought the CRDi VGT when it arrived here in the Phils, mid-2006). Never had problems with it. Very fast, economical and no choking problems. Our only problem with it is that it's quite wide. Best fuel economy I got is 21 km/L (15L/323kms) with 120kmh uphills and zigzags (which really made me sick right after). City is about 10-12kms/L.

CRV is fine if you get the black one (to hide the ugly grille), after all, people will still look at the badge (and often not at its specs). I've test driven the 2.4 but the acceleration is wanting & it's interior is not as luxurious as the SF either. It doesn't give the whiplash effect i get from SF in jackrabbit take-off (pedal to the metal from 0). Honda have good resale value so that might be beneficial for you. Fuel economy is not to be expected in though.

Anyway, both vehicles are fine. Just buy what you can afford. But me, I'm saving up for a 4x4 CRDi White SF naman (my girl has the 4x2 Titanium Blue). I just wanna see the difference. hehe.

[nels76]

Our only problem with it is that it's quite wide. Best fuel economy I got is 21 km/L (15L/323kms) with 120kmh uphills and zigzags (which really made me sick right after). City is about 10-12kms/L.

Chief,

baka puwede mo ko bigyan ng tips on how to achieve this.
My SF has just turned 3 months and nasa 3k km na ang mileage.

Parang anglakas sa diesel considering na di naman ako hataw magpatakbo.
Inoobserbahan ko sya these past few weeks wherein I notice that the P500 worth of fuel takes only 4 days on my every other day use from house to office and vise versa.

Our house is at Santa Ana and my office is at Makati.
based on my trip meter, this is about 12km round trip.

So multiply that by 4 days then that is about 48km.
The P500 diesel is arond 13L.

48km / 13L = 3.69km/L.

Well knowing makati, minsan takes time para makalabas kasi angtraffic sobra lalo na pag past 5PM. And I still have to cool down the engine before I turn it off. Usually mga 1minute muna syang idle sa parking area bago ko pinapatay ung engine.

Or is it mas-malakas sya sa fuel on short trips kasi the engine is not yet reaching the optimize operating temperature?

[Horsepower]

1.) Pag cold pa ang engine, I wait for it to reach the normal operating temp before ko itakbo/ihataw. Pag malamig pa, normally takbo ko mga 20-30kmh lang.

2.) I drive fast but not too fast. Due to this, I often coast too.

3.) Stop & Go actually consumes a lot more fuel.

4.) I normally fill up in the early morning or late night, never during the day.

5.) I keep below 2,000rpm, normally around 1800 which is about 110-120kmh.

6.) Your car might be needing italian tune up (take it to 200kmh to loosen the valves. hehehe). I say about once a month.

7.) You can cool the turbo by slowing down upon approach of your destination.


yung brother ng gf ko, reklamo din nya malakas sa diesel yung SF ni GF. Siguro depende lang talaga sa driver.

Important din yung break-in (in my opinion). This will define how the engine would behave for the rest of its service life (unless it was overhauled). During the pre-1000km, talagang we never went beyond 80kmh. When it reached 1,000kms, changed oil, then yun na. Super enjoyable gamitin yung car.

I wonder ano meron sa 2008 model aside from the Logic7 Audio (Harman Kardon or Infinity ito for sure). hehehe.

[wrek]

natatakot kc ako if sta fe kunin ko baka naman mahirap sa parts and how much pala ung v6 sta fe and ung diesel nya

[nels76]

1.) Pag cold pa ang engine, I wait for it to reach the normal operating temp before ko itakbo/ihataw. Pag malamig pa, normally takbo ko mga 20-30kmh lang.

2.) I drive fast but not too fast. Due to this, I often coast too.

3.) Stop & Go actually consumes a lot more fuel.

4.) I normally fill up in the early morning or late night, never during the day.

5.) I keep below 2,000rpm, normally around 1800 which is about 110-120kmh.

6.) Your car might be needing italian tune up (take it to 200kmh to loosen the valves. hehehe). I say about once a month.

7.) You can cool the turbo by slowing down upon approach of your destination.


yung brother ng gf ko, reklamo din nya malakas sa diesel yung SF ni GF. Siguro depende lang talaga sa driver.

Important din yung break-in (in my opinion). This will define how the engine would behave for the rest of its service life (unless it was overhauled). During the pre-1000km, talagang we never went beyond 80kmh. When it reached 1,000kms, changed oil, then yun na. Super enjoyable gamitin yung car.

I wonder ano meron sa 2008 model aside from the Logic7 Audio (Harman Kardon or Infinity ito for sure). hehehe.

Thanks for the reply, chief.
Actually, I practice all of what you mentioned and still the Fuel Efficiency is poor on short trips and city driving.

Wala naman ako ng concern though sa long drives just like last month when we went to Subic. My Fuel Gauge was pointing at the 1/4 mark so I refilled for P1,000. After the refill, the needle points between the 1/2 and the 3/4 Mark.

Manila to Subic to Manila is about 200+kms based on my trip meter. After the trip, ung needle was just a liitle below the 1/2 mark. So this means it just consumed about half of the P1000 refill and I'd say the fuel efficiency was good.

Let us say that it consumed P500 of fuel, then this translates to about 13L.
Assuming the trip was 210km, then, 210km/13L = 16km/L. Ok na to considering that this trip to subic has about 20% uphill.

Sa short trips and City Driving lang talaga ako nag-co-complain.

[tiboyx3m]

Chief,

baka puwede mo ko bigyan ng tips on how to achieve this.
My SF has just turned 3 months and nasa 3k km na ang mileage.

Parang anglakas sa diesel considering na di naman ako hataw magpatakbo.
Inoobserbahan ko sya these past few weeks wherein I notice that the P500 worth of fuel takes only 4 days on my every other day use from house to office and vise versa.

Our house is at Santa Ana and my office is at Makati.
based on my trip meter, this is about 12km round trip.

So multiply that by 4 days then that is about 48km.
The P500 diesel is arond 13L.

48km / 13L = 3.69km/L.

Well knowing makati, minsan takes time para makalabas kasi angtraffic sobra lalo na pag past 5PM. And I still have to cool down the engine before I turn it off. Usually mga 1minute muna syang idle sa parking area bago ko pinapatay ung engine.

Or is it mas-malakas sya sa fuel on short trips kasi the engine is not yet reaching the optimize operating temperature?

My odo reading is at 250kms+. When I got my SF 2x4 crdi last week, nag fill up ako sa petron for 1k, (26L). Inabot ng 184kms pure city driving under 2000rpm approx 6.5/liter. Now I'm on my 2nd 26Liters sa tank, nakakainip paabutin ng 1000kms. Paminsan minsan napapaabot ko ng 2500rpm pag may sumasabay na alanganin, tipong gustong sumubok. Ayun kakagulat pag pumitik ulo mo sa head rest, unexpected ang whiplash. Galeng ng accelerator response e. Ooops, OT na me, sorry po.

[yuichi]

Chief,

baka puwede mo ko bigyan ng tips on how to achieve this.
My SF has just turned 3 months and nasa 3k km na ang mileage.

Parang anglakas sa diesel considering na di naman ako hataw magpatakbo.
Inoobserbahan ko sya these past few weeks wherein I notice that the P500 worth of fuel takes only 4 days on my every other day use from house to office and vise versa.

Our house is at Santa Ana and my office is at Makati.
based on my trip meter, this is about 12km round trip.

So multiply that by 4 days then that is about 48km.
The P500 diesel is arond 13L.

48km / 13L = 3.69km/L.

Well knowing makati, minsan takes time para makalabas kasi angtraffic sobra lalo na pag past 5PM. And I still have to cool down the engine before I turn it off. Usually mga 1minute muna syang idle sa parking area bago ko pinapatay ung engine.

Or is it mas-malakas sya sa fuel on short trips kasi the engine is not yet reaching the optimize operating temperature?

wow man! something's wrong with your SF. lakas nyan ah? my lowest is probably 7-8km/l....hebigat traffic bumper-to-bumper na yon last xmas rush.

[niky]

Onboard fuel consumption meters are never 100% accurate, becuase they depend on information from the odometer to calculate fuel economy. The only way to check accuracy is by measuring your odometer reading against a GPS based trip computer.

That said, some new vehicles have decent accuracy, with a discrepancy between claimed economy and actual economy within 5%.

RE: CR-V 2.0 AT... I'd say the manual is better, the R20 is a little weedy in terms of torque, but boy, does it love to rev.

RE: recalls, never noticed that... the anti-Hyundai lobby has been to this thread, too...

It's really unfair to base your perceptions of a new car based on experiences with an outdated design... if we were going to do that, then you could say that the new CR-V would be prone to catching on fire (from issues with the previous generation 2.4 CRV in the US), cracking engine mounts (from issues with Gen II CRVs, locally... LOTS of Gen II CRVs) and understeering so badly you should fear for your life (an issue with older CRVs on the stock Bridgestones).

Which would be ridiculous. Sit a brand new CRV side by side with the old one, and while the basic size and layout is the same, there are tweaks to almost every mechanical part visible on the underside and in the engine bay. Personally, despite the lack of torque in the new powerplant, the new CRV is twice as good to drive as the old one.

Sit an old Santa Fe side by side with the new one, and the difference is even more dramatic... sometimes it's hard to believe they're by the same manufacturer. And it's as good as a CRV in almost every way... and much better in some others... as well it should be... it's an expensive car.

So... if Honda can improve... why can't Hyundai?

[wrek]

ano pala sayo 2.0 or 2.4? kc pinagpipilian ko talaga fortuner or crv but madaming bad feedback sa fort so wag na lang fort,then recently nabasa ko isa sa topic dito about sa santa fe, puro magaganda sinasabi nila

[_Qwerty_]

ano ba fuel consumption nang crv 2.0 and 2.4? sabi nung barkada ko.. nag 6 km/l lang daw sya, mixed city/highway

[suv]

Pareha ok.....

Kaso ang CRV ang reliable talaga......bago pa lang kasi ang Stafe kaya nasa sayo na yan......

Ang Stafe maporma talaga......Ang CRV ang hindi lang maganda yung area ng grill pero sa gilid ang likod maporma.....

Pero pag reliability ng engine eh hands down CRV.....

Ang tahimik ng makina......pag naka idle kala mo nga naka-off e....

[jaymd]

Depende kung san mo gagamitin. Mas ok santa fe kc may 2 seats pa sa 3rd row kun malaki pamilya mo. Pero kung konti lang sasakay mo cr-v ka na lang. Na itim. Yun mga problems for each car is typically per unit or isolated unless may recall o TSB. May kaibigan ako may 2nd gen cr-v kinalawang agad kaya kinuha nila sta fe. Pero personally mag honda pa din ako. siguro 5-10 years pa bago mawala yun stigma ng korean cars d2 sa pinas kahit gano pa kaganda ilabas na model nila.

[forterra]

for me the CRV talaga.. wala na isip2x pa... but downside sa crv is walng diesel, so prepare for some more holes in your wallet when in comes to gasoline... hehehe.... mejo dixcourage alng ako sa sta fe kc my cousin-in-laws dad bought one and just after 2 years of use and a 10,000km on the odometer... he is selling it already.... just didint quite get the reason y though... but he wana sell it fast... hehehe.... ... thats the only downside naman sa crv, the gasoline maintenance.. but its not that matakw compare to other gasoline power SUV of its class.... crv nga ang pinakamatipid sa class nya... and tested narin ang crv... mataas din ang resale value...

Tama ka jn pare! CR-V na lang. I had bad experiences with Hyundai before. Pabalik-balik ako sa kasa. lagi na lang nasisira yung ganito at ganun... Sus! nakaka trauma... Isipin mo brand new tapos balik ka ng balik sa kasa...

right! at may warranty pero yung time mo nasasayang.

Then when I decided to sell it. Ang hirap naman. ayaw aprobahan ng banko ang loan... etc...

No offense to santa fe owners pero my father in law also sold his unit at ilang buwan pa lang... Don't know the exact reason but if you want to know I can ask him...