Hot Hatches... Which do you prefer? (Compacts)

[Jun aka Pekto]

I'd also consider a Type-R if it didn't lean on the expensive side.

It also brings up a question... I've always wondered what Honda's philosophy is and why it hasn't considered turbos or superchargers on any of its performance cars......or AWD for that matter (most AWD Hondas I've seen are in Japan).

[niky]

Engineering uber alles?

Honda has always been about light, simple, economical and fun. It took them forever to upgrade to V6s when the midsize car category went big... And they're constantly after getting more power out of smaller displacement engines. Of course, this has led to criticism that their engines are more about peak numbers and less about driveability, but you can't deny that there's some appeal to tiny little engines that can rev their nuts off.

It's their dedication to using engineering instead of displacement to motivate their cars that has led to their recent award as "2007 Greenest Automaker" in the US... where even Toyota has gone V8, Honda dares to be different, sticking to the V6 for its trucks.

Unfortunately, now that variable geometry turbocharging is becoming ubiquitous, and as increasingly restrictive emissions hamper their ability to create high-revving screamers (they have to develop furiously just to stay ahead of the curve), Honda's Type R is kind of handicapped against its competitors in the power department.

Still, it's a tempting prospect, if only for the drama of being able to rev where no other engine dares to go... ;)

[zidane21]

boto rin po ako for volvo c30! ang ganda, at the same time sya rin ang pinaka-budget meal price na euro hatch na locally available here.

[Jun aka Pekto]

Engineering uber alles?

Honda has always been about light, simple, economical and fun. It took them forever to upgrade to V6s when the midsize car category went big... And they're constantly after getting more power out of smaller displacement engines. Of course, this has led to criticism that their engines are more about peak numbers and less about driveability, but you can't deny that there's some appeal to tiny little engines that can rev their nuts off.

I noticed that trend starting with the early 90's Prelude which was the first car I saw with VTEC.

I've always thought of Honda as conservative/practical. There was a certain "consistency" to their designs. The lack of forced induction being the most notable.

I'm mixed on high-revving engines with low torque. But, the Type-R and even the Si coupe has it's appeal.

If Honda somehow performs a miracle and made a tiny high-revving engine with excellent torque, I'd be sold on them.

[niky]

Just wait for them to start work on diesels... ...I don't know, really, how far you can go. You can always make more horsepower by making an engine more efficient, faster-revving, and the like... but torque is often limited by displacement.

[wren]

Mini Cooper S for me.

[basti08]

the hot civic isnt a hatch at all...

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eml1sD5z3KQ"]YouTube - Fifth Gear - UK Civic Type R vs Japanese Civic Type R[/ame]

[trunks]

Civic RS...sarap paglaruan & bihisan

[Horsepower]

Volvo C30 and Ford Focus CRDi. hehe

[AG4]

PS: The Clio is a sub-compact, its the Megane Sport that should be here in this thread.

[Si 06]

Mazdaspeed 3 because I own 1 and am happy with it and the 08 STI because of the power and handling.

[niky]

Hmmm... someone's finally tested the new Caliber against the current batch of hot hatches.

http://www.motivemag.com/pub/feature...Toyboxes.shtml


(well, not a hatch, but it's hot)



Four way test with the Golf GTi, Impreza WRX and Mazdaspeed3.

Obviously, the Mazda won... both on the track and with the judges.

[basti08]

yet another Mazdaspeed3 victory... this time the Volvo C30 T5 in on the fray...

http://www.caranddriver.com/comparis...30.html?al=144

[niky]

The big Q:

When will they bring it here?!?

[20vanda01]

Kung merong lang Hyundai Getz sa poll, 'yon ang pipiliin ko, hehehe

..but to answer the poll, would go for the VW Golf.

[yuichi]

pede ba isali to?

i still don't like even the STI hatch....if i'll one i'll take the Focus RS in Y-spoke.

[yuichi]

Engineering uber alles?

Honda has always been about light, simple, economical and fun. It took them forever to upgrade to V6s when the midsize car category went big... And they're constantly after getting more power out of smaller displacement engines. Of course, this has led to criticism that their engines are more about peak numbers and less about driveability, but you can't deny that there's some appeal to tiny little engines that can rev their nuts off.

It's their dedication to using engineering instead of displacement to motivate their cars that has led to their recent award as "2007 Greenest Automaker" in the US... where even Toyota has gone V8, Honda dares to be different, sticking to the V6 for its trucks.

Unfortunately, now that variable geometry turbocharging is becoming ubiquitous, and as increasingly restrictive emissions hamper their ability to create high-revving screamers (they have to develop furiously just to stay ahead of the curve), Honda's Type R is kind of handicapped against its competitors in the power department.

Still, it's a tempting prospect, if only for the drama of being able to rev where no other engine dares to go... ;)

anong engine ng Type R na yan? parang nawala na yung mga sikat nila like the b16, b18a/c etc. k20 na ba?

[squala]

A Corolla hatch is already available with a 3.5-liter V6 in Japan, which could also make its way to the US, Europe and Australia (don't even think about our country). This will easily beat the others in an acceleration test. For now, I'd pick the Ford Focus ST (orange) or VW Golf GTi.

[niky]

Acceleration =/= sportiness... but the idea is enticing.

The current Type R has the latest iteration of the K20.

[yuichi]

just found this one....

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MjhNwSsGa3A"]YouTube - new impressa battle * Tsukuba[/ame]