in BUYING A USED VEHICLE - GAS o DIESEL

[Dudee]

IN buying a used vehicle, considering same YEAR MODEL(1998-2001), SAME MILEAGE (80k-100k), SAME UNIT BRAND and MODEL. What would be a better choice, A GAS UNIT or DIESEL unit?

My friends prefered a GAS unit since we are ALWAYS or 100% sure of the ENGINE CONDITION (even if it will be checked by a mechanic), trouble shooting GAS Engine is easier and cheaper compare to Diesel Engine. Tama ba ang LOGIC?

[niky]

Mahirap sagutin yan, as there are many other factors that will affect your choice.

Among 98-01 vehicles, there are no diesel cars, for one.

Another factor is that the reliability of different manufacturers differs wildly... even different engines from the same manufacturer differ in reliability.

For me, if you're buying an AUV, get a diesel, Isuzu or Mitsu, preferably.

[Syuryuken]

Parang Toyota Revo, o Mitsubishi Adventure lang pinag-uusapan dito. Ang Isuzu wala namang gas.

[Bogeyman]

Gas or diesel.

Usually it depends on how you plan to use it i.e. burning rubber vs. hauling stuff.

[nestordreamin']

Dudee, para saan mo gagamitin ang vehicle? Gamit papunta opisina? Business/hauling people?

[Dudee]

Gas or diesel.

Usually it depends on how you plan to use it i.e. burning rubber vs. hauling stuff.

What does it mean by BURNING RUBEBR vs HAULING STUFF?

[Dudee]

Dudee, para saan mo gagamitin ang vehicle? Gamit papunta opisina? Business/hauling people?

Tama si Syuryuken, it's about REVO unit(GAS) and a Pajero unit(DIESEL).

Hi, I'm not a frequent user. I had a 1999 Revo GLX before, sold it 3 weeks ago for 370t. Got it brand new, for 8 years ang gamit ko, I only consumed 29T km reading. I only consumed 12-15 liters of GAS WEEKLY.

Right now, I'm face to choose another unit. A 2003 ReVo GLX matic against a 1999 PAJERO Diesel. Of course the REVO is cheaper than Pajero, but I like the Pajero more. What are factors to be consider here? pls enlighten me.

My friends have advised me to choose the Revo over the Pajero, besides the comfort and luxury of Pajero, the REVO is still new (28T km Reading) compare to the Pajero (58t km reading). And the REVO is 2003 model compare to the 1999 model Pajero. And since I don't use often, a used Gas engine is easier to maintain (if ever may problema) than the diesel engine.

What ya' Think?

Any advise would be appreciated.

[niky]

It's okay as long as you know what you're in for. Was your previous unit an automatic also? The VX200 Gas AT is something of a guzzler in traffic (bearable on the highway, though), but I'm not sure about the GLX 1.8.

A lot of people would tell you that a Pajero is sturdier, more prestigious, etcetera etcetera, but really, it'll depend on the quality and condition of the vehicle. At seven years of age, if this is a turbo-diesel Pajero, there are quite a number of things you may be looking at servicing (injector cleaning is a pain)... but if the last owner cared well for it and the turbo is still good, you should have no problems.

Still, it's a bigger engine, and a turbo, and that always entails a higher maintenance cost, gas or diesel notwithstanding. Plus other spares, such as suspension, steering, tires, etcetera... will cost more.

If you're the typical urban commuter who doesn't drive very much, I'd say the Revo is for you. You've already had experience maintaining one, and I agree, it's a very comfortable car for an AUV.

[Bogeyman]

What does it mean by BURNING RUBEBR vs HAULING STUFF?

Translation: Gagamitin mo ba sa karera o sa hakot?

If it's the former, gas ang kunin mo. It's the latter, mag-diesel ka.

[nestordreamin']

Right now, I'm face to choose another unit. A 2003 ReVo GLX matic against a 1999 PAJERO Diesel. Of course the REVO is cheaper than Pajero, but I like the Pajero more. What are factors to be consider here? pls enlighten me.

Dudee, you now have an idea how a REVO performs except that now you are looking at one with an automatic transmission.

Diesel engine maintenance is not much of a problem.
Most of the vehicles that I have in my job are diesel fed.
Preventive maintenance is the key, just like any other machinery.

Kung gusto mo yung Pajero, pa-assess mo sa kaibigan mong mekaniko.

[OTEP]

It really depends on you. In my case, I get diesels because they are simpler (no spark plugs, no electronic ignition. less moving parts). I don't really care much about engine power. I also have more experience working on diesels that's why I'm more comfortable with them.

[basti08]

me diesel too. if you dont use the car much then why care about the very sturdy diesel engine... ako personally based on my experience in driving a gas and diesel cars....
i say mas durable ang diesel, as in get in and drive lang ako. di pa ako nilaglag ng makina ko (*knock on the wood*)

Niky,
VX200 is 2.0Litre so as the Revo GSX.
GLX remained 1.8L gas onlyand 2.4L dsl when they introduced the GSX 2.0L gas only variant.

[niky]

Yeah, I kinda figured he meant the 1.8 variant. Still, with an AT, it'll likely be sluggish, but hopefully not as thirsty as the 2.0.

[niky]

Yeah, I kinda figured he meant the 1.8 variant. Still, with an AT, it'll likely be sluggish, but hopefully not as thirsty as the 2.0.

*nestordreamin: what price are you being quoted for the two vehicles? It'll help if we know. Also, how many kms on each?

[Dudee]

Thanks for the much reply Guys. The Revo 1.8 AT consumed 6+km/liter for now. The ride is much the same with the Revo I sold weeks ago. It was my friend who offered my a swap (his pajero) + 300T cash. I test drive his Pajero days ago, ok naman ang engine, maybe I'm just not used to the noise of the diesel engine compare to the gas. His pajero is Fieldmaster, so far pinacheck ko sa mechanic, engine in good shape and no leaking whatsoever. But the mechanic told me that we can NEVER be sure kung ok sa loob ng engine. That's why the mechanic advised me to turn down the offer, reason nya is that my newly acquired REVO is newer by year model and I have to add 300k cash.

2nd reason is that, he said, when problems arises (like Overhauling or Tune-up), its easier and less expensive repairing GAS engine than Diesel.

Tama ba advise nya?

[niky]

Ah... Fieldmaster.

Actually, it is less expensive fixing that particular gas engine than that particular diesel engine, as the diesel is a bigger unit. Still it's legendarily tough, and should age gracefully.

The Pajero may cost you a little less in terms of fuel, but to trade a newer car for it, with less miles and with so much cash... (so the total would be an estimated 700k+, ba?) nah.

[alwayz_yummy]

ko i have a maxima electro-carb MT and a liteace electronic-turbo diesel 4wd a/t.....yes, beyond comparison ung dalawa in terms of maintenance...simple lang ang engine maintenace and trouble shooting ng maxima, mostly mechanical and easy to trace wirings... ung liteace ko can be a pain in the as...kasi may mga sensors and computer boxes..so if something goes wrong, i cant assume the worse but always start at the sensor's conectors...pagkanagkaroon ng read-out error, bigla ako i-sstall ng engine ko!

ang isa pang advantage ng diesel ride is you can "dip in water" even when running, basta ung air breather mo is still out of the water....unlike sa gasoline, pati alternator dapat mo pangalagaang di lumubog sa tubig..done this in my former delica 4d56t with a shortened air intake...i can go forward even in waist-deep waters but all electricals ko pinapatay ko kasi ung alternator, lubog na sa tubig...no plans yet of doing this sa liteace ko, kasi i'm still patching up holes,e...

well, by comparison din: both CA20 of my nissan and 2C-TE of my liteace consumes 3.5-3.75L of oil...but the difference lies in the oil filter and air filter costs...plus since a/t ang liteace ko, may dadgdag ako maintenace for atf oil change..

well, just remember, the more convinience and power features you have, additional maintenance and check-points yan...the simplier the ride, the simplier the cost...

my mom's kia pride gtx 98 a/t is practically maintenance free (basic maintence lang-->fluid change lang and when something broke, cheap and easy to maintain and trouble shoot...no fancy electricals and electronics, plus 90% of veteran mechanics knows this car by heart-->except for the a/t), but still runs well...so sulit talaga ung kotse na yun for me...240T brand new, a/t, all power (minus steering)..basic needs are there...

well, back sa query mo...

kung ako, sa pajero ako, no second thoughts about it...diesel, good 4wd system, and can be raised/lifed easily...pero for you, advice ko just take the revo...vx kung kaya...get the 2.0L, less hirap un kaysa sa 1.8L..but if you dont mind, 2.4L diesel is also a good choice..un nga lang, patay ka sa trapik pag 2.0...ung 2.4L naman manual lang...

look ka din ng adventure..ok din naman un...reliable and easy to maintain 2.5L 4d56 non-turbo diesel...si sir arvic ata available pa ung sa kanyang adventure..naka setup na din yun...PM mo siya.

ung gas model naman ng adventure is not that fancy either, sohc 4g63(ata un) 2.0L, alam ko derived from the 92 galant mpi...

[Dudee]

Ah... Fieldmaster.

Actually, it is less expensive fixing that particular gas engine than that particular diesel engine, as the diesel is a bigger unit. Still it's legendarily tough, and should age gracefully.

The Pajero may cost you a little less in terms of fuel, but to trade a newer car for it, with less miles and with so much cash... (so the total would be an estimated 700k+, ba?) nah.

niky, you're right, I have to add 300k fot the swap. That's Why most of my other friends do not agree with the swap. Newer AUV+300k swap with older luxury vehicle.

I have not really made up my mind, I;m still thinking it over.

Btw, Guys, in Changing Oil. Di ba for diesel engine, SHOULD IT BE EVERY 3months or 3000 km Which EVER COMES first? or EVery 3000km PERIOD.? Kasi sa Manual Guide ng REVO ang Gas Engine is every 5000km or 6months which ever come first.

[alwayz_yummy]

if you can afford it...pero kung minsan use, atleast 2x a year pwede na...ganyan ako sa liteace ko....tinitignan ko din ung langis kung ok pa..pero kung i see na starting na lumalapot na, thats the time i start saving up for an oil change...ung atf, atleast 1x a year ang palit to be sure, kung 1x per 2-3 years, obligado kang bukan ung oilpan,e...

tama yan, take your time...choose kung ano talagang feel mo..nga pala, sa choices mo, masmahal ang spares ng pajero compared sa revo...but pajero parts ar bigger than than any AUVs around...so kung sa maintenance, obviously masmahal ang SUV kaysa sa AUV..

include mo sa pagpili mo ung "hidden defects"

[Dudee]

I get diesels because they are simpler (no spark plugs, no electronic ignition. less moving parts).

All the while I thought GAS engine is simplier than Diesel.

Di ba pag palyado ang diesel engine, dami pwede magkaproblema?

May injection pump ba ang 4m40?