Great comparison: New hilux,Nissan Navara,Ford Ranger,L200,Dmax!!

[Bakero703]

If you only consider brand and don't consider the actual engineering and aftersales support behind that, then that's worse. The only reason I wouldn't buy a Mitsubishi Strada is due to my concern over after-sales support. This has nothing to do with the Mitsubishi brand itself and everything to do with the local dealership network.

Kaya nga ‘part’ eh, sabi ko ‘part’ diba? “Part of my evaluation of cars and in deciding if it’s a worthy buy is the reputation of the brand”. The principal buyer of the Hilux was my Father, pero before that the idea was he needed a car where he can do a lot of loading without caring if the car gets dirty, unang idea nga nya Fortuner. But I gave the suggestion of a Pick-up, and narrowed it down to Hilux at Strada. Alam ko ang merits ng Strada, pumunta pa nga ako sa used car lot and found him a fresh 2008 Strada to look into, but in the end sya na nag decide that we will go for the Hilux, brand new. Like I said if we bought the Strada I’m sure I will be just as happy. I’m not a tool, I don’t have brand loyalty. I’ve owned a 1988 BMW 528i (luma na when I got it (1999)), a Kia Pride (really wasn’t my choice), Lancer GSR, 2001 Nissan Exalta, and now 2005 Civic.

A Hilux is not a Taurus. And that test was a Yaris versus a Camry.

I don’t know what video you saw it sure isn’t the video I watched. In the video it explains class sizes of cars, didn’t really give my example of Yaris vs. Thaurus; that was just my own example to illustrate compact vs full size sedan, despite the fact that compact has a 5 star safety rating it wouldn’t win against a 4 star rated full sized sedan. Ok, to reinstate the point, I’ll give you another example. Take the strada, 4 star safety rating, take the Civic 5 star safety rating. Let me ask you where would you rather be if the two cars where to collide head on 50kph? Here’s hoping you said the Strada, cause if you where in the Civic your probably dead, sa Strada may chance ka pa.

A Ford Ranger / Everest will survive having its ECU immersed in water. During one off-road test, they left one in water for three days. (not on purpose, it got stranded in the mud on a river crossing). After they dried it out, it started up. Same happened with a friend... had both a Ranger and an Everest (both TDCi models) flooded in Ondoy. After they were cleaned out, started right up.

You know…I think the ocean with its waves and salt water will tell a different story. I’m sure any of the current gen pickups can go into a river have it submerged to the windows and the ECU will be fine. Kung digicam nga ngayon pwede na under water, even salt water kayang kaya, bakit hinde.

You judge each generation of car based on its merits. Not the merits of its predecessors.

That’s noble and all, but there’s something called brand loyalty and I know there are people who would swear to the brand and cars they buy. I know people who would buy every generation Corolla, or every generation 3 series, every gen... Dahil sa merits ng predecessors.

[locoroco777]

Forgive me for interfering with your heated discussion with sir niky....

but I just want to ask you something if you dont mind...

So by saying this..

Like I said if we bought the Strada I’m sure I will be just as happy. I’m not a tool, I don’t have brand loyalty.

(its not that I'm trying to put words on your mouth or anything) but does it imply that you didn't actually mean what you said in the other thread?

Bro 3.0 automatic nothing but the best. Cant wait to take it off road or find a real messed up road. Feel mo talaga ang pagka-heavy duty ng truck na ito, di tulad ng mga poser trucks tulad ng Strada pa pogi lang [SIZE="3"]hindi talaga tipong pang heavy duty abuse[/SIZE].

again,forgive me if I imported it here but being a strada owner I really feel weary on reading things like this,while knowing the true capabilities of my rig...

[niky]

Kaya nga ‘part’ eh, sabi ko ‘part’ diba? “Part of my evaluation of cars and in deciding if it’s a worthy buy is the reputation of the brand”. The principal buyer of the Hilux was my Father, pero before that the idea was he needed a car where he can do a lot of loading without caring if the car gets dirty, unang idea nga nya Fortuner. But I gave the suggestion of a Pick-up, and narrowed it down to Hilux at Strada. Alam ko ang merits ng Strada, pumunta pa nga ako sa used car lot and found him a fresh 2008 Strada to look into, but in the end sya na nag decide that we will go for the Hilux, brand new. Like I said if we bought the Strada I’m sure I will be just as happy. I’m not a tool, I don’t have brand loyalty. I’ve owned a 1988 BMW 528i (luma na when I got it (1999)), a Kia Pride (really wasn’t my choice), Lancer GSR, 2001 Nissan Exalta, and now 2005 Civic.

No argument with your choice. If you need a car that can take a heavy load, the Hilux was a good choice. Amongst pickups, the Hilux has one of the best load capacities and a heavy duty rear end.

I don’t know what video you saw it sure isn’t the video I watched. In the video it explains class sizes of cars, didn’t really give my example of Yaris vs. Thaurus; that was just my own example to illustrate compact vs full size sedan, despite the fact that compact has a 5 star safety rating it wouldn’t win against a 4 star rated full sized sedan. Ok, to reinstate the point, I’ll give you another example. Take the strada, 4 star safety rating, take the Civic 5 star safety rating. Let me ask you where would you rather be if the two cars where to collide head on 50kph? Here’s hoping you said the Strada, cause if you where in the Civic your probably dead, sa Strada may chance ka pa.

Unless the video showed an actual test, it's just conjecture. There are videos showing that five-star (on US tests... the cars used are 4-star on EuroNCAP) subcompacts are not as good as five-star full-sized cars. But there are also videos showing that 5-star (on EuroNCAP) compacts are much safer than older full-sized cars. There is no empirical data showing that 4-star full sized cars are safer than 5-star compact cars.

I’m sure any of the current gen pickups can go into a river have it submerged to the windows and the ECU will be fine.

Wanna go ask the countless pick-up and SUV owners who had to plunk down on a new ECU after Ondoy? Only a few current pick-ups have fully waterproofed ECUs.

That’s noble and all, but there’s something called brand loyalty and I know there are people who would swear to the brand and cars they buy. I know people who would buy every generation Corolla, or every generation 3 series, every gen... Dahil sa merits ng predecessors.

But the question is: is that the best way to buy a car? Buying merely the perception of quality instead of the reality of it? Would you recommend that people simply buy a car because the brand name has merit? Buy a CR-V because it's a "Honda" and Honda means good engineering? Even if the second-generation CR-V was a terrible gas guzzler (3rd gen is actually good)? Buy a Camry because it's a "Toyota" and Toyotas are cheap to maintain? Buy a 4JX1 Trooper because it's an "Isuzu", and Isuzu makes good diesels? I'd rather give them advice based on the merits of the vehicle as a whole.

[Bakero703]

Forgive me for interfering with your heated discussion with sir niky....

but I just want to ask you something if you dont mind...

So by saying this..




(its not that I'm trying to put words on your mouth or anything) but does it imply that you didn't actually mean what you said in the other thread?





again,forgive me if I imported it here but being a strada owner I really feel weary on reading things like this,while knowing the true capabilities of my rig...

Hey you got me there.

I really ment it, like I said in my previous post, maganda na kung maganda ang Strada specially at the front, but then look at it from side view, what comes to mind is "what happend to the bed" the hood and double cab is huge, round and long? Someone said it best in this thread, iba ang definition ng Pinoy buyers when it comes to double cab pickup trucks, hindi yun utility ang top concern nila, but yung tinatawag "status symbol".

Also its part of my frustration when I searched the forums read all kinds of crap in the Strada Vs. Hilux Threads. Something about the moose test something about your spine falling off, its ugly, its not safe death trap..now that you'd think about it its pretty funny. you'd swear Hilux is a piece of garbage after reading some of the comments, was hoping sana one of those guys would read it and call me out on a debate. but yeah I admit that wasnt a fair comment by me. But say my Pops went for the Strada, I'd be happy, but I think I'd still be causing trouble and defending the Hilux.

[tidus1203]

Well Mitsubishi is a business and they are giving what the market wants. Stylish and urban trucks... And as a result the Strada is the best selling pick up in the market. Nothing wrong with giving what buyers want.

[eggman]

More on utility ang Ranger,Navara,D-Max at Hilux while ang Strada eh pang porma talaga pero at least mura lang sya.

[locoroco777]

Hey you got me there.

I really ment it, like I said in my previous post, maganda na kung maganda ang Strada specially at the front, but then look at it from side view, what comes to mind is "what happend to the bed" the hood and double cab is huge, round and long? Someone said it best in this thread, iba ang definition ng Pinoy buyers when it comes to double cab pickup trucks, hindi yun utility ang top concern nila, but yung tinatawag "status symbol".

Also its part of my frustration when I searched the forums read all kinds of crap in the Strada Vs. Hilux Threads. Something about the moose test something about your spine falling off, its ugly, its not safe death trap..now that you'd think about it its pretty funny. you'd swear Hilux is a piece of garbage after reading some of the comments, was hoping sana one of those guys would read it and call me out on a debate. but yeah I admit that wasnt a fair comment by me. But say my Pops went for the Strada, I'd be happy, but I think I'd still be causing trouble and defending the Hilux.

well sir, point well taken(^_^) pero wag naman siguro poser truck hehe...because you see sir, the thing that you said about what filipinos refer to as a '"status symbol" which has a short bed and long cabin and often referred to as a city truck so to speak can go to places not the regular guy would drive on using his truck.....I'm not saying the hilux is incapable of doing such things or any other truck in that case. heck, I can even believe that all of them are capable enough, But in the end it will still be all up to the owners guts on where to take his truck and how far can he go on exploring the limits of its performance...

BTW heres one of the places that I'm talking about...

[Wh1stl3r]

Nagagamit din namang utility ang Strada, in fact maraming fleet sa mga cement plant/quarry. For the price of 9 of the other brands makakabili na ng 11 na Strada. Mura talaga yung low end variant. Ang sabi medyo mahal lang ang PMS. Is this true? Baka dun naman bumabawi ang MMCP.

For me maganda style-wise ang Strada, sa rear end lang kinulang. I don't like the way the bed tapers down too much, the brake lights and the rear bumper.

E sa lahat ng bagay mas important sa akin ang may nice bum kesa front bumpers.

[eggman]

Dapat dalhin ng MMPC dito yung Strada na mas mahaba ang cargo bed na available sa other countries.

[softop]

BTW heres one of the places that I'm talking about...

Wow! Adrenaline rush! I wish NCP could organize something like this for its members (I own a Nav). Bro, makaka survive kaya ang "stock" pickup (any 4x4 brand or sige na nga, a Nav for example) sa ganitong offroad condition? Your truck seems to have had some modifications already.

[locoroco777]

Nagagamit din namang utility ang Strada, in fact maraming fleet sa mga cement plant/quarry. For the price of 9 of the other brands makakabili na ng 11 na Strada. Mura talaga yung low end variant. Ang sabi medyo mahal lang ang PMS. Is this true? Baka dun naman bumabawi ang MMPC.

For me maganda style-wise ang Strada, sa rear end lang kinulang. I don't like the way the bed tapers down too much, the brake lights and the rear bumper.

E sa lahat ng bagay mas important sa akin ang may nice bum kesa front bumpers.

yup sir whistler...tama po, I think your referring to Lafarge? or is it another company?...even san miguel corporation bought a fleet of it...and modding it with whole body stickers which pictures all of their alcohol products... and yes, medyo mataas din yung PMS cost than the others but indi naman ganun kalaki ang pagitan depende din kasi sa dealer eh...like sa akin oil palang 9 liters na... hehe...But worth it naman talaga...

So does the same goes for women din ba sir? yung rear bum kesa front bumpers? :naughty2: haha!

[jut703]

Just because the Strada looks softer than the Hilux doesn't mean that it is. Just check out the adventures of the Strada Club and you'd know that it isn't a slouch. So what if it's more car-like than the other pickups? It can still do the dirty stuff.

And noone's arguing that the Strada has a smaller bed than other pickups. It's a little bit of compromise, passenger comfort over outright utility. It's a risk Mitsubishi took, one which has greatly benefited them. Based on market trends it is obvious that people wouldn't mind the smaller bed for a more spacious interior. And more people prefer the more modern styling of the Strada as compared to the traditional macho looks of the competition.

And sir Bakero703, no offense but your posts have been highly critical of the Strada. Obviously for your needs, the Hilux is a better pickup. You value utility over everything else. But please do learn to respect that the pick-up as we know it is no longer a mere workhorse. It has also entered the realm of a civilized urban dweller, and this niche the Strada aims to fill more eagerly than the Hilux does.

[locoroco777]

More on utility ang Ranger,Navara,D-Max at Hilux while ang Strada eh pang porma talaga pero at least mura lang sya.

parang ganto sir? ^_^

Dapat dalhin ng MMPC dito yung Strada na mas mahaba ang cargo bed na available sa other countries.

thats what we are saying to them, pero malabo parin kasi I think sa europe lang yata mina manufacture yung longbed triton...

Wow! Adrenaline rush! I wish NCP could organize something like this for its members (I own a Nav). Bro, makaka survive kaya ang "stock" pickup (any 4x4 brand or sige na nga, a Nav for example) sa ganitong offroad condition? Your truck seems to have had some modifications already.

Hi sir! opo masaya dito hehe....kaya naman yun sir...but I think dapat summer kayo dapat pumunta...kasi pag mga around may to oct. medyo mataas ang tubig sa river and medyo steep yung ilang parts kasi laging umuulan so hindi ko marecommend pag hindi naka offroad mods or setup medyo na point of no return lang ako noong 1st time ko but it turned out alright naman hehe...I remember nga back then when we went there it was rainy season wala pa akong idea na ganun ang terrain hehe...what happen was biglang may tumunog na malakas sa ilalim when I was going down on a steep slope...then when I checked it out after, there was a gash on the skidplate turned out that there was a bigrock pala at the end that is being covered by the flow of water...hehe...good thing I opted to install it na before going there kundi yari hehe..

yung mods ko sir is tires and mags lang and a front skid plate, everything else is stock po but I'm planning to lift it soon...


magandang mag funrun dyan sir....very scenic pa ang views...I suggest you should include it on your itinerary anytime soon.... BTW sa sapang bato angeles pampanga yan sir..

[Wh1stl3r]

*locoroco777
Yup, LaFarge. Meron pang isa, I just can't remember the name. Wow bro, 9L of oil? 3.2L ba yung sa yo? That's a lotta oil hehe. That's enough for most 4.x liter engined Isuzu trucks. Re: appreciating the rear, let's just say I appreciate beauty wherever the location. It just so happens most of the time it's in that area.

[locoroco777]

*locoroco777
Yup, LaFarge. Meron pang isa, I just can't remember the name. Wow bro, 9L of oil? 3.2L ba yung sa yo? That's a lotta oil hehe. That's enough for most 4.x liter engined Isuzu trucks. Re: appreciating the rear, let's just say I appreciate beauty wherever the location. It just so happens most of the time it's in that area.

Holcim yata yung isa sir...di ko lang sure...hehe

oo nga sir...nagulat ako dati nung 1st PMS ko napauwi pa ko nun...kulang dala kong pera haha....yup 3.2 sir...

Re: appreciating the rear, let's just say I appreciate beauty wherever the location. It just so happens most of the time it's in that area.

:thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:

[av8or5]

Wow! Adrenaline rush! I wish NCP could organize something like this for its members (I own a Nav). Bro, makaka survive kaya ang "stock" pickup (any 4x4 brand or sige na nga, a Nav for example) sa ganitong offroad condition? Your truck seems to have had some modifications already.

do I hear a NCP and TSCP joint off-road fun-run. that would be a sight to see.

*locoroco777
Yup, LaFarge. Meron pang isa, I just can't remember the name. Wow bro, 9L of oil? 3.2L ba yung sa yo? That's a lotta oil hehe. That's enough for most 4.x liter engined Isuzu trucks. Re: appreciating the rear, let's just say I appreciate beauty wherever the location. It just so happens most of the time it's in that area.

a little more expensive nga PMS of strada then other pickup.

[renzo_d10]

well sir, point well taken(^_^) pero wag naman siguro poser truck hehe...because you see sir, the thing that you said about what filipinos refer to as a '"status symbol" which has a short bed and long cabin and often referred to as a city truck so to speak can go to places not the regular guy would drive on using his truck.....I'm not saying the hilux is incapable of doing such things or any other truck in that case. heck, I can even believe that all of them are capable enough, But in the end it will still be all up to the owners guts on where to take his truck and how far can he go on exploring the limits of its performance...

BTW heres one of the places that I'm talking about...

Hayyy .... daydreaming nanaman. Hahaha !

Nice pics, lr777.

[locoroco777]

Hayyy .... daydreaming nanaman. Hahaha !

Nice pics, lr777.

thanks renz!

[dretch88]

i think ford will turn some heads next year when they release the 2011 ranger. it looks like they will have a 6-speed gearbox too.

[jess25strada]

wow nice di ko naranasan yan sa strada ko