Fuel Efficiency

[Dudee]

I'm on a market to get a new unit... my 16 yr old van has started to show it's old age dilemma.. plus I'm just getting 6km/L with it now. .maybe due to heavy body weight.

I'm looking for a daily driven vehicle.. (car, auv, etc).. I have been browsing around and saw different FC results..

As much as possible I want to stay away from 3 cyl engine.. can anyone refer me a unit w/ good FC.. regardless of fuel type (gas or diesel).. regardless of brands..

I was looking at the new yaris... since it's smaller, it might give better FC than the vios (heavier body).. though I'm not that certain if my theory is correct.

thank guys

[jaggerx3]

Hyundai Accent CRDI. Tipid talaga, pero wag ka maniwala na 52 km/l un. As adverstised ng ibang dealer

[niky]

As much as possible I want to stay away from 3 cyl engine.

There's absolutely no reason to, aside from the vibration at idle, maybe... but if that's your worry, then you shouldn't be looking at most diesels, either.

[SiRbossR]

Get a diesel Accent. Im so happy with my Focus TDCi that it returned an astonishing 17km/l mixed driving. Mostly heavy city driving.

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[Dudee]

Sir niky, wat would you recommend?

I drove a picanto before... very sluggish and unbearable road noise. I always drive w/o the stereo on...

are 3 cyl car really efficient? if so, ano model?

[Dudee]

Get a diesel Accent. Im so happy with my Focus TDCi that it returned an astonishing 17km/l mixed driving. Mostly heavy city driving.

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Sir, wala po issues mga diesel accent?

I didnt put much attention to diesel engine car kasi baka trending lang yan and wont stay for long... I think ford has stop its tdci focus already (correct me if I'm wrong)...

[Manilablock]

dapat apple to apples ang comparison mo.

small cars do give you a good FC, but a bigger car is more comfortable to drive.

yung natipid mong konti sa gas baka hindi mo din ma appreciate kung lagi kang madaming sakay.

suggest buy ka na lan ng MC pag meron kang personal na lakad, then use the van kung more than 2 kayo sasakay.

[jaggerx3]

Sir, wala po issues mga diesel accent?

I didnt put much attention to diesel engine car kasi baka trending lang yan and wont stay for long... I think ford has stop its tdci focus already (correct me if I'm wrong)...

Minor issues lang. Katulad ng nababasa ko noon sa Accent forum dito. Like sa clutch na di bumabalik which is resolved sa mga bagong models na ngayon. Sa old models ng Accent CRDi lang may ganun, yung mga unang labas ng current generation. Pati sa shocks na sobrang lambot, which is resovled na rin ngayon. Marami good reviews ang Accent CRDi based sa thread dito sa tsikot.
Di ako natuloy sa Accent, got a Vios 1.5G instead.

[Egan101]

As much as possible I want to stay away from 3 cyl engine..

I was never a fan of small displacement engines, as I find most 1.3L cars and even some 1.6L cars as sluggish, until I drove the Fiesta 1.0L Ecoboost. The price might be on the expensive side for a sub-compact but it's one fun-to-drive hatchback. Call it, "the little engine that could".

[Egan101]

I didnt put much attention to diesel engine car kasi baka trending lang yan and wont stay for long... I think ford has stop its tdci focus already (correct me if I'm wrong)...

Most manufacturers, specially Euro brands, have diesel options for their models. In fact, the diesel options of BMW, Audi, VW, etc. are preferred over similar-displacement petrol engines as it offers great torque at usual operating rpm (1500-3500).

Ford still has TDCi cars but it is not sold locally at the mean time. VW has the Polo TDI and Jetta TDI available, so with some Peugeot brands. As usual, BMW and Audi have diesel options for their lineup.

[GTi]

Just curious. Anong van ba yung sayo? Perhaps the low FC is because something needs to be fixed?

When it comes to fuel efficiency, diesel has the advantage. P10/L price difference between diesel and regular unleaded is a sizeable headstart. Assuming fuel price of P42/L diesel and P52/L gas, a diesel van consuming 6km/L (typical consumption of a 2.4L gas) will have the same fuel cost as a gas engine consuming 7.4km/L, which is typically expected from a 1.6-1.8A/T gasoline sedan. And then again, diesels are usually more fuel efficient as compared to a gas engine of the same displacement.

I'd suggest you go for the Accent CRDi. There's none I can think of that can match it in both performance and fuel efficiency.

If you get this, you may still want to keep your van though, for hauling, mass transport and coding purposes.

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[lowslowbenz]

Here's my take on those 3 bangers.

Way back in the late 80's to early 90's, Daihatsu launched the Charade. It had a 3 banger for an engine. The Daihatsu guys nicknamed it "The Giant Killer"

Up until age caught up with the puny 3 pot. The Charade owners got so fed up with the terrible vibration and lousy gas mileage that they either sold their cars, tossed out the original engines and shoved a 4 banger Toyota in there, or just simply gave up and sold the car for scrap.

Have you seen a Charade running on the roads as of late?

And yes, your garden variety Toyota Yaris hatch, was sold in Europe as the Daihatsu Charade (rebadged).


BTT:

Why not get a Fortuner or a Montero sport?

[dale323]

Try chevy spin 1.3 diesel. Average of 15km/ltr on a route that makes our lancer cedia consumes 10km/ltr and vios 1.3 13km/ltr. Plus mo n din ung every 10k kms pms instead of 5k for both cars.


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[dr. d]

I'm on a market to get a new unit... my 16 yr old van has started to show it's old age dilemma.. plus I'm just getting 6km/L with it now. .maybe due to heavy body weight.

I'm looking for a daily driven vehicle.. (car, auv, etc).. I have been browsing around and saw different FC results..

As much as possible I want to stay away from 3 cyl engine.. can anyone refer me a unit w/ good FC.. regardless of fuel type (gas or diesel).. regardless of brands..

I was looking at the new yaris... since it's smaller, it might give better FC than the vios (heavier body).. though I'm not that certain if my theory is correct.

thank guys

I haven't yet seen a dis-satisfied MT diesel innova owner. I regularly get at least 10 km/li in the city. And driving comfort isn't bad at all. Plus, it's size gives me an amount of confidence in every driving condition, including flooded streets.
Disadvantages? I have seen better turning circles...

[Dudee]

Just curious. Anong van ba yung sayo? Perhaps the low FC is because something needs to be fixed?

I'd suggest you go for the Accent CRDi. There's none I can think of that can match it in both performance and fuel efficiency.

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Sir, i owned a 1998 local spacegear... i was thinking of having the injector check baka nga dun may kailangan i-tune up.. I read from tsikot forum that mitsu adventure gets around 9-10km/l... so i assumed since our vehicles have the same engine w/ 4d56 (mine w/ turbo).. plus the additional bodyweight of my van... maybe (just maybe)... 5-6km/Li is already the correct FC for it.

[Dudee]

i heard honda is coming up w/ a model named "BRIO"... currently I'm inclined to get the vios kasi cars usually last long in my family. my 1998 van only has 75t mileage in it... rarely used.

[ronw123w124]

Malakas nga sa Diesel ang Spacegear, meron dito sa office namin 2, a 1998 and a 2002 model, sometimes I get to use it on official purposes, akala ko dati there was something wrong with it pero sabi nung driver na talagang may hawak nun, ganun daw talaga. My personal 2002 Starex SVX does a lot better in terms of FC, makes me wonder since they are practically the same vehicles, dapat nga mas matipid yung Spacegear in theory since M/T yun at A/T yung Starex ko.

[niky]

Sir niky, wat would you recommend?

I drove a picanto before... very sluggish and unbearable road noise. I always drive w/o the stereo on...

are 3 cyl car really efficient? if so, ano model?

Depends on the car. The Eon and Alto are incredibly efficient (about 13 km/l in traffic, 25-30 km/l highway), but they're tiny and very slow.

The Mirage 1.2 is a 32 cylinder car that gives you the performance of a bigger 1.4 liter car, and space that's close to bigger subcompacts like the Fiesta or Vios (actually... I think the Mirage might have more legroom in the back seat than the Fiesta). And fuel economy is quite similar to 1,000cc and under cars. (it can do over 25 km/l on the highway, and does 12 km/l (MT) in traffic).

Best to figure out your budgte and your wants first... there are lots of cars out there with good economy at a huge variety of budgets. If you want an economy superstar, few cars can match the Accent CRDi (have gotten 30-35 km/l from it), but it's over 700k for a car without ABS or amenities. (at least the cabin is big). Of the cheaper cars, if economy is a concern, the Mirage is the best bet you have... though there are nicer cars for the same price as the GLS Mirage.

[Dudee]

would the new yaris be efficient ? I'm eyeing on the 1.3E variant..

Sir niky, would do you mean by mirage is a "32 cyl car"?

[Dudee]

Depends on the car. The Eon and Alto are incredibly efficient (about 13 km/l in traffic, 25-30 km/l highway), but they're tiny and very slow.

The Mirage 1.2 is a 32 cylinder car that gives you the performance of a bigger 1.4 liter car, and space that's close to bigger subcompacts like the Fiesta or Vios (actually... I think the Mirage might have more legroom in the back seat than the Fiesta). And fuel economy is quite similar to 1,000cc and under cars. (it can do over 25 km/l on the highway, and does 12 km/l (MT) in traffic).

Best to figure out your budgte and your wants first... there are lots of cars out there with good economy at a huge variety of budgets. If you want an economy superstar, few cars can match the Accent CRDi (have gotten 30-35 km/l from it), but it's over 700k for a car without ABS or amenities. (at least the cabin is big). Of the cheaper cars, if economy is a concern, the Mirage is the best bet you have... though there are nicer cars for the same price as the GLS Mirage.

Sir, regardless po sa budget, Would you recommend the mirage over the vios e or yaris e?