Focus 1.8AT Hatch? Civic 1.8AT?

[macychic]

Hi everyone, just want to ask your POVs about these two cars.

Originally kasi I was set on getting a Jazz 1.5 na, unfortunately, nauna ang sister ko magconfirm sa dealer na yon ang kukunin nya at nauna din ang application nya, no prob sana pero we both want the same color. kaya parang OA naman so now Im considering the Focus 1.8AT hatchback. or maybe the Civic 1.8AT. Although priority sana is the Focus.

1. How's the FC of the aforementioned focus for city driving?

2. Alin ang mas mahirap i-maneuver between those two? I'll be hopefully upgrading from a '98 Nissan Sentra so I know kahit alin sa dalawa malaking difference na din.

3. About sa parts naman ang maintenance, I read mas mahal ang parts ng Focus at konti ang available na parts? is this true? and considering na mas mahal daw ang parts ng Focus, by how much percentage vs. the Honda counterpart?

4. Totoo ba na mababa ang resale value ng Focus 1.8AT?

5. Alin kaya ang mas tatagal between those two?

as much as possible kasi I want a compact car, thus the hatchback (and the previous choice ko na Jazz) medyo challenged kasi ako sa reverse na pagpark, nakakahiya man aminin. :p pero siguro kung sanayan kaya ko din naman. :p

i also considered the City 1.5AT pero I don't like the interior that much and also mas mababa daw ang resale value nito compared sa jazz (ito kasi ang una kong pinagpilian City vs. Jazz eh)

6. and if they say na mas mababa ang resale value ng Focus vs. Jazz (and Jazz vs. City) by how much naman kaya?

7. also bakit mas mababa ang resale value? dahil ba madaling masira ang Focus? or the City? or dahil mas in demand at value for money ang Jazz?

8. if mahal ang maintenance ng focus, is it worth it naman ba? i mean sa overall performance nya?

I'm considering a civic kasi i read na it's a bit faster and more fc efficient than the focus (or at least that's how i understood what i read)

9. considering their installment schemes, parang mas madali daw ang payment terms ng ford? i read it somewhere kasi na medyo di daw mabigat sa bulsa vs. honda?

10. ano pa ba ang advantages ng civic over focus?

i have so much questions pa pero yan muna ngayon. kung meron kayong iba pang suggestion/s please post na rin.

the 2.0TDCi ng focus, i might give it a try pero mahal na talaga at over na sa budget. unless siguro na makakita ako ng good deal. ive yet to talk to a ford SA.

siguro eliminated na sa choice ang city. altis and vios for some personal reasons. :p

please help naman po.

[oliver1013]

Subaru hatchback!!

[scharnhorst]

mababa resale ng ford.

kaya pag ganun for keeps na!

[kevin3000]

+1 sa subaru.. 1.90++?

[macychic]

+1 sa subaru.. 1.90++?

how's the FC? parang overprice lalo for me considering na gas sya (vs. the ford tdci)?

also what's the difference po sa FC ng 4AT vs. 5AT? thanks

[bsg123]

+1 sa subaru hatchback. Pero kung choice mo ay focus at civic, mag civic ka na lang. Mas madaling mag hanap ng parts at mas mataas resale value. IMO hindi nagkakalayo resale value ng jazz at city.

[scharnhorst]

If you have more than a million, and looking for a really economical subcompact...

the focus TDCi is the way to go. Peppy engine and a sophisticated gearbox... with diesel economy. winner!

[jerjer&qtqt]

Both are late model so parts availability are the same. You are getting a brand new so no need to worry for parts esp. for honda and ford. Mas mababa resale value ng focus but if you intend to keep it for at least 7-10 years pa, its worth it na. Both are great cars so what you really need to consider is the best deal you can get for now. As for the looks, i go for focus. Siguro sa dami ng honda sa kalsada medyo nagsawa na ako.

[number001]

The Focus is the better engineered of the two and handles like its on rails when compared to the Civic. But it seems that your priority is resale value and parts availability, if so, Civic is the winner in this area.

Civic = faster and fuel efficient. Bet the two, yes but not by a big margin. Remember both are 1.8 li already.

As for the Focus 2.0 TDCi. I'm very sure this will get a very good resale value down the line, provided no major reliability issues crop up.

One of your concerns is difficulty in backing up. The Ford hatch is not as slopped as hatches like the Jazz, so backing up will still be a challenge. Same case with the Civic.

As for resale value variance bet. Focus, Jazz, City, Civic, actually there is no clear and exact formula for computing their expected variance. I think it is dependent on supply, demand, and buyer's willingness that will dictate what you will get when you sell it later on.

Focus, Ford , etc... suffer from a low resale value impression among Pinoys, even without necessarily having anything wrong with their vehicles. Honda gets a supposed high resale bec. it has already been instilled in people's mind that these vehicles are supposedly bullet proof (metaphorically). Jazz gets the highest resale bec. it has the most utility and relative ease for tuners and rice boys to play with. (Just witness the endless GD and, even GE Jazz being souped out in motorshows, mall parking, streets, etc...)

Ford has more generous financing package, bec. unlike the Toyotas, Hondas, etc...they need to exert more effort to sell.

[macychic]

The Focus is the better engineered of the two and handles like its on rails when compared to the Civic. But it seems that your priority is resale value and parts availability, if so, Civic is the winner in this area.

Civic = faster and fuel efficient. Bet the two, yes but not by a big margin. Remember both are 1.8 li already.

As for the Focus 2.0 TDCi. I'm very sure this will get a very good resale value down the line, provided no major reliability issues crop up.

One of your concerns is difficulty in backing up. The Ford hatch is not as slopped as hatches like the Jazz, so backing up will still be a challenge. Same case with the Civic.

As for resale value variance bet. Focus, Jazz, City, Civic, actually there is no clear and exact formula for computing their expected variance. I think it is dependent on supply, demand, and buyer's willingness that will dictate what you will get when you sell it later on.

Focus, Ford , etc... suffer from a low resale value impression among Pinoys, even without necessarily having anything wrong with their vehicles. Honda gets a supposed high resale bec. it has already been instilled in people's mind that these vehicles are supposedly bullet proof (metaphorically). Jazz gets the highest resale bec. it has the most utility and relative ease for tuners and rice boys to play with. (Just witness the endless GD and, even GE Jazz being souped out in motorshows, mall parking, streets, etc...)

Ford has more generous financing package, bec. unlike the Toyotas, Hondas, etc...they need to exert more effort to sell.

I see now. hindi naman po as priority ko nag 'resale value' per se, akala ko op quasi there are some things an nakakapagpababa nag resale value nag ford, i thought kaya nila sinabi yon dahlia aka madaling masira yung focus or something like that, i thought yung tipong hindi tatagal ng ilang years dahil nasira na agad.


if you were to choose one alin po ang pipiliin nyo?

[oliver1013]

Subaru Impreza 2.0R!!

[number001]

I see now. hindi naman po as priority ko nag 'resale value' per se, akala ko op quasi there are some things an nakakapagpababa nag resale value nag ford, i thought kaya nila sinabi yon dahlia aka madaling masira yung focus or something like that, i thought yung tipong hindi tatagal ng ilang years dahil nasira na agad.


if you were to choose one alin po ang pipiliin nyo?

Depends on your needs.

Personally, I wouldn't get the Focus simply because, I can't over some of those weird European quirks inside it. Like the headlight switch, using a key to open the hood, etc...

Resale value, ease of maneuverability, fuel consumption = Jazz
Comfort, fuel consumption, = Civic
Unique, handling, = Focus

[basti08]

Swift Sport ;)

[scharnhorst]

I see now. hindi naman po as priority ko nag 'resale value' per se, akala ko op quasi there are some things an nakakapagpababa nag resale value nag ford, i thought kaya nila sinabi yon dahlia aka madaling masira yung focus or something like that, i thought yung tipong hindi tatagal ng ilang years dahil nasira na agad.


if you were to choose one alin po ang pipiliin nyo?

visit the ford club philippines forums for long-term focus owner's feedbacks...

I've always wanted to experience the focus' drive, as alot of people attest to it's handling

[automatic]

we were at the same situation almost a year ago.

initially we also we're going for the jazz.... until we saw a ford focus. then things got a lot more interesting when a new focus model was released.

we test drove the jazz, focus and civic all in one day at an auto fair and focus came out as the winner.

at that time, for less than 50k, you can get a focus 1.8 or a civic 1.8 instead of a jazz 1.5 (now, the gap is i think less than 20k? the jazz is overpriced imho) so we skipped the jazz altogether (but test drove it anyway).

the focus easily had the smoothest ride (superior suspensions). the civic was the worst... even worse than the jazz.

handling-wise, focus is tops also (as mentioned by other posters).

looks is subjective but we liked the focus the best (both exterior and interior).

the focus does have the lowest resale value mainly because of the pinoy's mentality that toyota and honda are the superior brands when it comes to cars.

as for fc, we get an average of 11 km/l... both mixed highway and city driving. basically, i think, the civic and focus' fc does not differ that much. again, pinoy mentality that ford vehicles are gas guzzlers makes people think that all ford vehicles are like expeditions... which obviously is not true.

now if budget permits, the focus tdci is an engineering marvel. supreme power. thrifty on fuel. and it's a diesel.

i say, go for the focus.

just my 2 cents.

[renzo_d10]

- 10-11km/l FC ng civic - mixed. But the one i`ve driven is a manual.

- civic has better resale value than of the ford

- the civic's seats are going to be uncomfortable if you're going to a very long long trip

- honda and ford has expensive maintenance though I think, the ford is higher by what ? 2% -> guesstimate.

- which is easier to maneuver ? well, sanayan yan, but I think the focus. since hatch siya. pero nadadalian din ako ipark ang civic din.



- - i agree with others. subaru impreza 2.0r. but other choices can be altis 1.6g or 1.6V. mas comfy seats nito. and ang fc ata nito is 10km/l city driving.

[basti08]

Guzzler din naman ang Civic 1.8 AT eh. had two friends averaging 7-8km/l. that's the 1.8S variant.

[kevin3000]

subaru mas mataas na category na siya.. i think 9-10km/l?
mas pogi ang dating..

[scharnhorst]

subaru mas mataas na category na siya.. i think 9-10km/l?
mas pogi ang dating..

The AWD system + 4 speed AT coupled with the 2 liter, won't help the economy. motioncars got around 8 km/liter in their review

[niky]

Indeed... it doesn't.

In fact, the 2.0R AT is significantly slower than the 2.0 Focus AT... and is actually slower than the 1.8 Focus and Civic.

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Ranking these three...

Speed:
1. Civic (by a lot)

2. Focus (1.8 is better than Subie... 2.0 is much better... TDCi is faster than just about everything in the compact class bar the 1.7m Subaru WRX)
3. Subaru (it's no WRX. Manual tranny version has decent performance, but AT has ungodly long gears)

Handling:
1. Focus (best steering, best balance)
2. Subaru (supple, sure-footed, steering numb)
3. Civic (lightest, quickest direction change, rear end never feels like it wants to get involved in the fun)
(it's all close, and they're all very good, personally)

Ride Comfort:
1. Subaru (extremely comfortable... long stroke, soft springs)
2. Focus (very European... firm, yet supple)
3. Civic (quite jittery)

Front seats:
1. Subaru
2. Focus (both quite similar)

3. Civic (loses by a mile... worst.lumbar.support.ever)

Rear seats:
1. Civic (lots of space)
2. Subaru (only just beats Focus... cushion a bit too low to the floor for me)
3. Focus (a bit small... roof hoops too close to your head when seated three across)

Economy:
1. Civic (very good engine)
2. Focus (close)
3. Subaru (AWD+AT=guzzle guzzle guzzle)

Maintenance:
Hell, they're all new cars with new engines... maintenance is not going to be comparable to your Lolo's / Uncle's / Dad's old Honda/Ford/Whatever.