which is faster? CIVIC fd 2.0 or LANCER EX GLX 2.0?

[tidus1203]

Maybe the Type-R is the so-called "kuya" of the Civic...

[voltscastillo]

hot, pure, bad ass speeed! :-P

[Type 100]

Kung ang lancer may kuyang evo x ano ang big brother ng civic? yun ba yung 2 door na US version? curious lang ako

You mean the baddest-ass FD Civic you can get?

Look no further than the FD2 Mugen Civic RR. As the name indicates this is a FD2 Civic Type R further tuned by the tuning house Mugen.


It's perhaps the fastest non-turbo FWD road car in production, roundly capable of outgunning the just-as-powerful S2000 as evidenced in "Fifth Gear."

Only trouble is there were only 300 built, and all in RHD.

[nickriingen]

Try to consider Ford Focus TDCI, 6 speed manual. Am sure that will smoke out and leave behind those two popular cars you mentioned on the highway or drag strip. It all depends sometimes on the driver who can drive faster.

[zel.chikot]

Speaking of "kuya". For me, as of now, the kuya of the CIVIC is the MUGEN RR ADVANCED CONCEPT. (*_*)

http://www.nihoncar.com/en/news_pics...NXR_RR_015.jpg


almost everything is CARBON FIBER parts already. it had beaten the times of MUGEN RR and HONDA TYPE R on TSUKUBA RACING CIRCUIT. )

[eggman]

Umaabot daw ng 230KPH ang Lancer GLX M/T tulad nung sa Lancer GT M/T.

[niky]

Umaabot daw ng 230KPH ang Lancer GLX M/T tulad nung sa Lancer GT M/T.

The top speed of a manual transmission 2.0 Lancer is around 207 km/h. Even with 152 hp, it's limited to that due to the large frontal area compared to older cars.

Every 10% gain in speed requires approximately 33% more power.

My Lynx and GH's Sentra both top out around 220-225... but we're both making 30-40 hp more than stock... our stock engines top out at 207-210...

For comparison... there's a Focus TDCi that tops out at about 240 km/h. That's 30 km/h more than the stock 210 limit. But he's putting out around 220+ horses... or around 180 horses to the wheels...

To get to 230 km/h, a stock Lancer 2.0 will require at least 200 bhp. And no, having driven it... it does not have that much... and it's dubious that you can get that much out of the Lancer engine without turbocharging or rebuilding the internals.

[basti08]

I dont see the reason why a CVT Lancer will lose to a conventional auto of the Civic even if it has 5 speeds.

[niky]

I dont see the reason why a CVT Lancer will lose to a conventional auto of the Civic even if it has 5 speeds.

It really depends... depends on the gear ratios of the 5-speed and the weight / aerodynamics of the two cars... Honda's 5-speeds have very tight 1-2-3 ratios, which make for great low-end acceleration... but their 4-5 ratios are very long... some reviewers complain, in fact, that 3rd gear is too long on some Honda boxes.

Still can't get around the weight and drag factor... the Mitsubishi weighs more and is bigger than the slippery Civic.

It would be a fun race to watch.

[basti08]

But the Lancer's CVT doesnt even have ratios or gear spaces. If you look deep into it, parang 1 speed lang sya. Mash the pedal and GO! Certain RPM has an appropriate speed (if you leave it to "Drive"). Meaning like say for example, if its redline is say, 7000rpm and 7000rpm is good for 210kph then mashing the accelerator to 7000rpm and holding it for a time, it will call for 210kph. If 3500 is good for just 130kph, it will not go further than 130kph at 3500rpm and so on. Unlike a conventional matic of the Civic that will go thru 5 speeds to get to its top speed.

[niky]

Technically, a CVT should be quicker than a traditional AT, but it's more about the power-to-weight and power-to-drag of these two cars. Both the Lancer paddle-shift CVT and the Honda paddle-shift 5AT are very responsive (the Lancer a bit more so) and would do well on the racetrack.

[istan]

When you manually shift the Lancer cvt, it has short 1, 2, 3 gears. 4, mid, 5, 6, longish too.
So, just put it in Ds, mash it, it'll rev to 4 - 5k and stay there, until "5th" gear. Then it'll shift to 6th.

[basti08]

i think if you wanna go fast, it is very stupid to use the paddle shift on a CVT. It's contradicting. CVT is a gearless tranny. The usual 6 pre set speeds (or 7 pre set speed on GD City)are there for use in gear or speed holding sort of engine braking which is yes, ideal on track. But not there to go fast. As for CVT, leave it to drive and mash the pedal to the metal. Only way to go fast.

[istan]

I know I know, I'm just saying if you'd use the manual shift in the CVT tranny, experience would be the same w/ the civic.

[babkalakal]

bench racing.
on speedlab's dastek dynamometer a stock civic FD 2litre automatic registers at 126.5hp. it would be interesting to see the lancer gt-a and gt on the same dyno.

on a physics stand point given a long enough straight top speed is only minimally if not at all affected by weight. so with everything else being equal top speed will be a function of a cars power, coefficient of drag and total frontal area and in certain cases if a car produces enough power to pull redline in top gear, final drive and gear ratio will determine top speed. i don't think both the civic and lancer can redline in 5th and 6th gears respectively.

acceleration is a different matter however. Force= mass * acceleration therefore acceleration = force/mass. acceleration will be inversely proportional to mass. all else equal the lighter car will get up to speed quicker than the heavier one.

share ko nadin i used to own a civic fd 2.0 matic. no bodykit. 225/45-17 tyres. modified it put down 144.5 hp at the wheels. sa sctex was able to max out at 206kph time and time again smack right at 6k rpm. i'm pretty sure i wasn't on a downhill grade but i cannot ascertain also if i was on a flat road or a slight incline or if any head or tail wind was present. kinuwento ko kay sir ferman lao of speedlab sabi nya that probably is top speed already.

[niky]

It's an automatic, so it's probably speed-limited by the transmission.

At 144 whp on the Speedlab dyno, and given the incredibly slick aerodynamics of the Civic, you should be able to hit 220 or so, given the right conditions.

126 is damn healthy. That's up there with the Focus TDCi (yeah, yeah, it's rated at 135 bhp, but its a turbo and it has an overboost function that's theoretically good for another 20 hp). It's even more impressive, given your FD is an automatic.

I think the Lancer dynos around 125-130 whp at Speedlab... but in terms of top speed, it'll be hampered by the larger frontal area compared to the Civic, and the extra length will cause some extra drag.

[jun_mazda]

sir what about a mazda3 2.0r will it be a vios victim?

[niky]

Mazda3 2.0R is about 10.5 - 11 seconds. Vios 1.5 is around 11.5 or more, if automatic. At higher speeds, though, the Mazda will be much quicker.

[enthusiast]

Mazda3 2.0R is about 10.5 - 11 seconds. Vios 1.5 is around 11.5 or more, if automatic. At higher speeds, though, the Mazda will be much quicker.

OT: Whoa! This shows that 1.5 M/T Vios is a pocket rocket! We should have a thread of possible vios victims...

Going back, I agree that because of aerodynamics (given drivers with the same skill level), the 2.0 fd will outrun the 2.0 EX.

[Gen. Miting]

i would bet on the lancer ex