All new jazz 1.3 AT or Suzuki Swift?

[caruboi]

okay guys, first of all, i really find this website helpful. your insights are all well informed and valued. I went here to tsikot during my first purchase of my very first car two years ago, and i ended up getting a ford ghia. wala nman akong naging regret sa decision ko. (special mention to sir nikki who had been very helpful)

Anyway, i have come to face another decision again. I have convinced my mom to buy me my first brand new car, and for the longest time I have been making lambing to her and she has finally gave in. (the joys of being a bunso)

Thing is, I have wanted the SWIFT for the longest time. It's cute and not so many people hover the streets of the metro with swift, and its just perfect for my day to day city driving. However, the thought of the all new jazz has been slowly creeping to my mind. Altho am not crazy about its looks, the interior and features make up for it.


And so my dilemma goes... 1.3AT Jazz or 1.5 Swift? 2k difference.

my utmost concerns are:

1. Looks -
2. FUEL CONSUMPTION
3. Features/convenience
4. driving comfort (smooth sailing like our mazda tribute, not matagtag)
5 speed and weight (i recently drove my friend's 07 vios and i was blown away how lightweight it is..a far cry from my ford ghia to be honest)


If i get the jazz, its not something that ive really really wanted from the ghetgo.. pra kasing nawala yung sense na you bought a car and u dint get what u really liked.

If I get the swift, am scared kasi 04 pa xia nilabas baka come next year or two, biglang maglabas ng "the all new swift"... badtrip un. heheh

would really appreciate your insights again. dont really know much about the car other than the surface.. im a technical dummie.


thanks,

Caruboi

[ghosthunter]

The major problem with the Suzuki Swift is the size. Its really really cramp inside this car. And if you are a tall person and you will be having people sitting at the back, they (the people at the back seat) may end up having no legs after a a short driving trip with you. The same goes for the boot, space is so tiny that you could only fit a sardine can.

The new Jazz is what the old Jazz does best, gives you massive amounts of interior space from a small car. The new version has been improved where the old one had problems. Example is the rear seat comfort, the one Jazz felt like you were sitting on a wooden bench. The new jazz has the seats new softly covered and more comfortable to ride on, even on long journeys. The CVT tranny is not available (yet) so a traditional A/T or M/T tranny are the options for the 1.3L Jazz.

The Jazz's boot is just as big as the old Jazz with a small improvement where the rear seats now fold fully flat. The old jazz had their seats slightly poking up.

One major issue though. The Jazz's front quarter views are partially blocked by the A-pillar, similar to what you would encounter in the new Civic. I am kind of irritated by this design and it actually might be a safety concern.

[caruboi]

yeah i totally understand you. swift is really so tiny at the back. i dont know how they came up with it. but the front space has reasonable head/legroom. yung likod lang tlga.

would it be justifiable if i think of it as irrelevant since im just alone 80% of my time.. only like twice or three times tops that i have friends riding with me? lol

so then again, how much do i really need a cargo space?

the a-pillar is the 'column' by the side mirrors right? my brothers civic has that problem too, and when i drive it its quite a challenge to see your adjacent corners, correct.

in terms of handling and fuel efficiency, who takes the cake? and is there a big difference on over all performance vs 1.3 and 1.5?

i hope jazz doesnt ride like civic. ang tigas ng civic. at long drives nakakailang umupo. super tigas kasi. hehehe :-)

[ghosthunter]

yeah i totally understand you. swift is really so tiny at the back. i dont know how they came up with it. but the front space has reasonable head/legroom. yung likod lang tlga.

When I get in the Swift, there is virtually no legroom left at the rear seats.

would it be justifiable if i think of it as irrelevant since im just alone 80% of my time.. only like twice or three times tops that i have friends riding with me? lol

so then again, how much do i really need a cargo space?

It would be nice to know that the car you are driving would have the capacity of carry large items or people comfortably even if you usually do not need it. Based on UK's Fifth Gear tv show, you can carry a whole bicycle inside the Jazz.

in terms of handling and fuel efficiency, who takes the cake? and is there a big difference on over all performance vs 1.3 and 1.5?

Performance between the 1.3L & 1.5L is not really that big especially if you are comparing the A/T models for city driving. In highway speeds, the 1.5L has the advantage of having that extra "oomph" to maintain higher speeds while hauling a car full of people and/or cargo.

Since you said you will be driving by yourself (with no cargo) most of the time, I would suggest the Jazz 1.3L A/T variant.

But you still might want to check the Jazz 1.5L at the dealership since the "small" price difference does come with a lot of "toys" that the 1.3L doesn't get, like retracting side mirrors, bigger wheels, etc.

i hope jazz doesnt ride like civic. ang tigas ng civic. at long drives nakakailang umupo. super tigas kasi. hehehe :-)

The new Jazz's seats have been improved for better comfort. As for the ride quality and road handling, I can only guess since I haven't test driven the new Jazz on the road yet.

[yapoy86]

clearly the Honda Jazz is the winner here... one of the reason we can consider is its newly released and will really be a head turner since its new in the road..and you get the "H" Badge..

[niky]

I agree with Ghosthunter... if you're considering the practicality of it, the Jazz is the way to go.

The Swift has the extra "oomph", the exclusivity (simply because it's rare) and very good performance (I'd rate it about par with Jazz generation one... Gen.2, we haven't had a chance to drive yet). But like GH says... those rear seats are absolutely useless. It'll be a joy to drive, but it won't make you popular with friends you stick in the back seat.

The new Jazz is wonderful. I think the new A-pillar design is a bit less compromised than GH makes it out to be... but it'll take a long term road test to find out. The new seats are more comfortable, definitely... still a little stiff for my tastes, but unless you're grossly overweight (like moi), you won't mind. The new ULT-folding is fantastic. With the old Jazz, you had to remove the headrest, lift up the bottom cushion and fold town the top cushion. With the new one? Just pull up a tab and fold the whole thing as one piece... the bottom cushion automatically sliding into the floor. Fantastic improvement on an already fantastic feature.

Only worry is that the new Jazz might not be as go-kart like as the old one, but if that means the ride is softer, what the heck... that'll make it even better.

[2slow]

my utmost concerns are:

1. Looks -Both looks good. Its a tie!
2. FUEL CONSUMPTION Jazz wins kahit 1.5vtec vs the 1.5 swift
3. Features/convenience Jazz wins, ULT seats, more legroom and cup holders too.
4. driving comfort (smooth sailing like our mazda tribute, not matagtag) For me a tie. Both have short wheel base so you cant really compare them to bigger cars.
5 speed and weight (i recently drove my friend's 07 vios and i was blown away how lightweight it is..a far cry from my ford ghia to be honest) havent driven the new jazz yet but based on the gen1 1.5 jazz and swift, mas type ko yung acceleration and handling ng gen1 jazz.

The new jazz has 5speed AT while the swift 4 yata not sure

[JJCarEnthusiast]

yes the swift has 4speed at ^ but you have the new choice of a 5mt a lower cost :D well really, i admit, i have been struck by the swift's mini cooper-like looks. even if you ask the shoutbox people, they know how swift fanatic am i. (sabihin nyo nang balimbing ako) after few days, i realized that jazz has big factor against swift. not to mention the huge cargo space and the features, it also got power and fuel efficiency at the same time bought to you by the iVtec looks? jazz is also good looking.



its looong.. and it also looks nice. head turner din sya.



more toys inside.

even if swift has a flashy design, jazz has more power so it can outrun swift whenever you want. let's weigh things. swift's major lamang over jazz is the looks. looks like a mini cooper replica (lol). in my opinion, just that and nothing more. (in my opinion yun ha, not to offend swift owners. anybody can add more? hehe) but jazz has more advantages. more power, more fuel efficient, more cargo space, more leg room and people on your back will not complain after long trips. plus you have more room to add a/v setups and the 'honda' give's you the assurance of after market parts after few years, including aftermarket accesories. remember, being different has also its disadvantages. but if your car is spread all over the streets, as said earlier, you can get more aftermarket parts and accesories.

my 2 cents

[tylerdude]

if re-sale value and interior space practicality is not your concern, then go for the swift. i like the improvements made on the new jazz especially in the interior side but the exterior styling is not really a big jump from the previous one. the swift's cute and euro-like styling is still better than that of the jazz but i guess to each his own pa rin. i just happen to like the styling of european cars compared to that of japanese cars.

[Gen. Miting]

the interior space of the Swift is just about same interior space of the Hyundai I10. I was lucky enough to check out both vehicles inside a mall exhibit.

my take, a 700K+ swift vs. a sub 500K i10. dun na ako sa i10. 5 years warranty pa.

but i10 vs honda Jazz, definitely if have 700K money for swift, sa jazz na ako.

[caruboi]

hmmm how come swift seems to be so unpopular here? HE HE

[ghosthunter]

hmmm how come swift seems to be so unpopular here? HE HE

It is a value-for-money thing. The only thing going for the SWIFT is it's unique shape which resembles the mini-cooper. Beyond that, other cars offer better stuff like bigger interior space, better fuel mileage, better performance, more aftermarket support, etc.

So buying a brand new Swift can be the unpopular choice. But buying a slightly used Swift (as a weekend car) can be okay.

[niky]

If this is to be your main car, the Swift just doesn't work. Not practical enough.

But as a second, or even third car, it's great... nippy... fun to drive, and good-looking.

[Gerbo]

Well it seems Suzuki offerings are for the niche market... Just to give you another perspective...coming from one who does not own a Zuk.

Admittedly the Jazz is the more popular car. It have its merits. Many wanted and would like to own it. And this would make it "everyday" common.

Just like music, maganda man yon song kon paulit-ulit nakakasawa na rin. You want the "alternative".

Buying a Swift needs a different type of mentality--definitely not the one with a conventional wisdom. A different kind of attitude. Why? One have to rise above the caveats, the batikos, etc.

Its like treading the path less traveled. You like it, you love it, why not go for it?

Its just like choosing a spouse. Perhaps, many would not agree with your choice. And, probably at your age, the car is the next best thing.

[Gen. Miting]

yah i agree choosing a swift is liking choosing an exotic dancer er wife. your parents may not approve of her bec. she's from a different world but hey she's exotic.

i dont know if i made sense, but i agree with the above

[Gen. Miting]

yah i agree choosing a swift is liking choosing an exotic dancer er wife. your parents may not approve of her bec. she's from a different world but hey she's exotic.

i dont know if i made sense, but i agree with the above

[JJCarEnthusiast]

the interior space of the Swift is just about same interior space of the Hyundai I10. I was lucky enough to check out both vehicles inside a mall exhibit.

my take, a 700K+ swift vs. a sub 500K i10. dun na ako sa i10. 5 years warranty pa.

but i10 vs honda Jazz, definitely if have 700K money for swift, sa jazz na ako.

really? i saw the i10 and it was veeerry smaaal parang wala pa ngang enough space para sa mga tao sa likod

*caruboi

i agree with them go with what your extinc tells you. to each his own po tayo dito. the suggestions here are just our "suggestions" even if a millions says jazz is a better choice, but still the final decision is in your hands

[peejabi]

new 1.5 jazz owner here. hehe.

1) Looks: Mas maganda yung jazz. Pagkakuha ko ng jazz last friday, may nakasalubong akong suzuki swift. una na siya sa corner sa akin, pero biglang tumigil siya. pinauna ako. haha. parang tiningnan nung swift ng "head to toe" yung jazz. the new jazz is really a head-turner. kaya hindi muna ako magpapa-tint. hehe.

2) Fuel Consumption: i reset the FC meter today before i left home so that i can check its consumption sa monday morning traffic. it takes 5 minutes (2km) just to get out of our village kasi ang daming humps kaya sobrang baba pa (7-8km/L) sa simula. i traveled from tandang sora - commonwealth - circle - quezon ave - edsa - ortigas. by the time i got to the office, 13+ km/L na. hehehe. didn't use the paddle shifters today.

3) Features: gaya nga ng sabi nila, if you have the extra cash, go for the 1.5 jazz. Ang dami talagang added features: power fold side mirrors, better exterior add-ons, turn signal integrated with side mirrors, alarm, 5-speed A/T (1.3 A/T is also 5-speed) etc. In terms of space, ang luwag talaga ng jazz. im 5'9". i pushed the driver's seat all the way back then i tried sitting behind it. comfortable pa rin.

4) Driving Comfort: maganda yung suspension ng bagong jazz. And very comfy yung seats.

5) Speed and Weight: ang sarap i harurot ng jazz. hehe. compared to the vios, almost the same weight sila. 1.5 jazz is 1110 kg, 1.5 vios is 1105kg. pero lamang sa hp yung 1.5 na jazz (120hp vs 107hp)

[caruboi]

Hi guys!

I went to both dealerships two days ago in Makati.

I must admit, the sporty Honda Jazz looks good in person than it does on paper. I like the red instead of the cerulean. I inspected the interiors too, very nice and gadget-y.. which I know would appeal to some and 'blah' to other people. The panel is just too hovered with all these knobs and buttons, you feel like you're in the apollo 14. But the containers do come handy, its obvious that they really maximized the space in terms of design. Was very impressed.

After seeing it in person, I like the jazz more than I already do.

On the other side of the ring is the Swift. Sleek exterior design with classic curves and modern Interior. After being in the jazz, the swift's interior looked so bland.. Then I realized these cars are so much different pala beneath the surface. Yes, they belong in the same car genre, but what they offer does vary from their expected market. Swift can be sporty and classic, while Jazz is sporty and modern. All the interior instrument panel ng Jazz can be found in the swift, iba lang sila ng delivery.

Now My questions:

1. Wala pala silang foglamps sa Jazz?
2. jazz SOHC engine vs swift DOHC?
3. Is V-tec just a marketing term for VVTI?
4. Minimum turning ratio? What does it mean? Jazz boasts of 5.2 while swift has 4.7mm?
5.The suzuki guy said something that made me wonder, and I quote, "do you really want to drive a car than everyone else has?" The jazz is a looker now, but after 3-4 months on the market, I bet I would already see it on a daily basis. And so my question goes, Would those things take away the "fun" in the long run? Swift has been there since 2005 and up to now it's not everyday that you see one.. (or atleast my part of the metro - makati, manila, bay city, laspinas)

[caruboi]

Thought to post both dealerships offers:

1. HONDA JAZZ 1.3AT P 747,000.00
20% 149,400
Chattel 20,000
Compre Insu 30,300
LTO 3 y 6,414

cash out: 210,114 (hindi ba dapat standard na free na yung ci, lto at chattel?)

free: floormat, seatcover, ewd, umbrella, keychain
free 1 yr PMS chek up parts and labor


2. SUZUKI SWIFT 1.5AT P755,000
less 15k on unit price
20% 151,000.000
free lto
ci - 25000
cmf - 20,810
cash out P183, 354


or option 2
755,000
20% 155000
no cash discount
free lto, insurance and cmf

free 2 yrs Preventive maintenance labor and parts
free tint, seatcover floormatt