BRZ vs. 86: Reason(s) for their Price Difference

[number001]

Let's set aside the different the pricing strategies that Motor Image and Toyota Phil might be employing. Lets focus on the features of the individual vehicles. This will help to determine which is one is being overpriced or if the price difference is justifiable.


This comparison involves the base Toyota 86 M/T (non aero) at Php1,550,000.00 and BRZ M/T at Php 1,928,000

Since both essentially roll out of the same factory, wondering what does the BRZ have (in terms of features or equipment) to justify the price difference over the 86?

So far these are what I noticed:

BRZ
- Alcantara Leather Suede upholstery
- Spare tire: Same Full size Alloy.

86
- Standard cloth upholstery
- Donut type spare or steel rims (?)

Owners of these two vehicles are encouraged to contribute.

[imperialv]

Correct me if I am wrong, the suspension is a bit different daw..

[foresterx]

the brz has a stiffer suspension compared to the 86, but besides what has already been said here they're virtually identical. is the price difference worth it? to me i could honestly say yes. MI has a much much better after sales service compared to the best toyota dealer out there plus the fact that MI is mod friendly and won't deny your warranty that easily just because of an aftermarket part.

i have a brz and wanted an 86 since in the future it will hold it's value better than the brz plus the history of the 86, but good luck getting an 86 without the add ons which makes the car cost almost the same as the brz.

oh and both cars have steel rims as spare.

[cast_no_shadow]

86
- Standard cloth upholstery
- Donut type spare or steel rims (?)

Dafuq?. . . . . . .

[number001]

oh and both cars have steel rims as spare.

I just checked the red BRZ currently at the Motor Image Greenhills showroom and the spare is the same type of wheels as the other four.

As for the 86, yes I believe its steel rims.

[111prez]

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[viper888]

I heard the local BRZ has heated seats
I cant believe it either

Lets be honest, this is what youre paying for

[number001]

I heard the local BRZ has heated seats

This is correct. There are buttons for this on the center console.

So to recap:

BRZ
- Alcantara Leather Suede upholstery
- Spare tire: Same Full size Alloy.
- Heated front seats.


This is the spare on the red BRZ on display now at Subaru Greenhills:

[foresterx]

I heard the local BRZ has heated seats
I cant believe it either

Lets be honest, this is what youre paying for

like i said, i got mine because of after sales service plus the fact that MI didn't force me to buy anything i don't want. when i was looking for an 86 i went through 5 toyota dealers which all required me to get in-house finance, +10%d.i., in-house insurance, trd body kit, head unit forgot the brand, tint then i also have to pay for lto and tpl. in the end it cost the same as the brz. and it was a much better deal than when the 86 first came out which will cost you 2.1M for the standard 86 because of all the add ons.

[JohnM]

Different DRL locations. Which one comes with the smart no-more-fumbling-for-the-key-to-unlock-the-doors system?

[foresterx]

Different DRL locations. Which one comes with the smart no-more-fumbling-for-the-key-to-unlock-the-doors system?

both of them comes standard with push start and keyless entry system.

[JohnM]

Weirdly MI does not offer test drives for the BRZ on their website. Buti pa WRX STI.

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[foresterx]

Weirdly MI does not offer test drives for the BRZ on their website. Buti pa WRX STI.

Motor Image, Philippines - Subaru - About Us > Contact Us

go to MI, their website isn't accurate. they actually allow test drives on the BRZ but not the STi.

[basti08]

I heard the local BRZ has heated seats
I cant believe it either

Lets be honest, this is what youre paying for

So, Subaru really is a premium brand here, at least, for most. I remember joining one group of friends and when a late comer arrived and step off from his Tribeca, everyone was like quipping "ooooh! He drive's a Subaru, big time!" something to that effect and it's not even because that's a Tribeca but solely because it's a Subaru.

Weird.

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[[archie]]

I don't know about being a premium brand but after sales ng subaru is really great. Once naflood yung legacy pero hanging floor carpet lang, they did the cleaning at home for free and did not void any warranty. I mean try that with Toyota or Honda, void na lahat ng warranty. hehe

[asag]

This is correct. There are buttons for this on the center console.

So to recap:

BRZ
- Alcantara Leather Suede upholstery
- Spare tire: Same Full size Alloy.
- Heated front seats.


This is the spare on the red BRZ on display now at Subaru Greenhills:

The 86 has the same spare tire. In fact the trunk liner has Subaru stickers with product code and date.
The BRZ has that perceived up market thing even in other countries. More so in the US; Scion vs Subaru.

Popularity may also be affecting Subaru maintenance reliability. I know of a Legacy owner who left his car for a check up and ended up with a total wreck.
I'm very happy with the Toyota service and they can be as accommodating as Motor Image.
MI was much better when they were relatively new because there were only a handful of owners. Regular change oil was only an hour * MI now it's at least 2 hours. This is about the same as Toyota.

Is the price difference worth the brand perception?
Will you be happier with a Toyota or a Subaru?
Hassle of getting one from Toyota compared to the ease of getting one from MI.
I referred two friends to my a sales agent from Toyota Pasig. One got his 86 within a week. The other could not wait or did not ask so he got a BRZ.
Both are very happy now.

Everybody (people who like this car) wins in the end. You get what you want or pay for.

[Type 100]

The BRZ has different rear suspension tuning - it's tighter and more tied-down, dialed towards understeer. It's the car to get if you want a time-attack machine.

The 86/Scion FR-S is tuned looser at the rear, with oversteer more easily provoked. If you want to showboat and do opposite lock all day, this is your ride. Perhaps not the kind of car you want to be fooling around on a wet road, though, if you can't handle drifts or oversteer.

Writing for Motor Trend, professional race driver Randy Pobst did hot laps around the Streets of Willow Springs racetrack on both cars, as well as the "NC" Mazda MX-5, for a comparison article. Between the two Toyobaru twins, he preferred the BRZ. The Subaru clocked a lap about 3 seconds faster than the Scion/Toyota.

[fitdrive]

The BRZ is more expensive and yet will suffer more in the resale value, that is you plan to resell this car.
Ive read the history behind these 2 in wiki, BRZ is more tuned as a professional racing car according to Subaru. Maybe that's why its more expensive here.

Count 5 years from now, racing enthusiasts will definitely look for the Subaru .

[number001]

Well written article that highlight in details the difference bet. the BRZ vs.86


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[cyrusblutrooper]

370k difference wow...
ok then since buyers of these cars wont be satisfied on being in stock form. 370 k can make 86 better in performance by swapping oem parts by premium aftermarket parts. coilovers, filters, exhaust, wider wheels set, sway bars, some aesthtics.

tho subaru badge more i like