Better Passenger Van? Nissan Urvan Or Toyota Hi-ace Commuter or others?

[cripple_rooster]

Without instrumented testing, off hand the Urvan Estate feels the strongest of the two (against the Hiace). That's a Nissan Patrol ZD30 engine underneath the seat minus the turbo and intercooler. It makes as much power as the 2.5 turbo unit of the Hiace but without having to rely on forced induction.

I'd actually not want to get rid of forced induction. In Mexico the Urvan is available with the same ZD30 engine but still fitted with the turbo and intercooler, altough detuned to 130hp instead of the 160hp for the Patrol. That could be also a good option to the Philippine market...

[OTEP]

I'd actually not want to get rid of forced induction. In Mexico the Urvan is available with the same ZD30 engine but still fitted with the turbo and intercooler, altough detuned to 130hp instead of the 160hp for the Patrol. That could be also a good option to the Philippine market...

After my horrible experience with 2 ZD30 engines, i'd gladly give up some power for more reliability. 105 bhp puts it in the same league as the hiace minusthe complications and stresses of forced induction.

Oh, and the srp of a new ZD30 turbo is almost Php100k. Thats for the turbo only.

But if nissan can work the bugs out, ok din. Can never have too much power. Hehe.

[KIANTOT]

After my horrible experience with 2 ZD30 engines

What is the horrible experience about this ZD30 engines doc?

[GTi]

What is the horrible experience about this ZD30 engines doc?

Apparently these are very susceptible to turbo failures.

[OTEP]

Early Patrols (2001) models were prone to overboost and destroying the turbos and/or engines.

On both our units, the headgasket failed.

Cost to replace head gasket, check turbo, egr, intercooler, recalibrate injection system, etc. Roughly Php40,000 per unit. And that's in a less expensive (but still competent) 3rd party shop. This is also the shop where the casa will take your Patrol when you leave it with them since they have the equipment to diagnose ZD30 engines and their injection pumps. The shop is Malabon Diesel.

They say the problem has been solved on the later units but I'm not willing to take the risk again.

Even in Australia, detonating ZD30's on Patrols is a problem.

Adding a turbo is possible. But again, the ZD30 itself is quite complicated. On the Patrol, its drive by wire system can easily detect if you are just revving the engine at a standstill and the variable geometry turbo will not produce any boost. But if it detects you are on the road and you want to go faster, the turbos will spool up quickly. The engine is full of sensors as the ECU uses all the incoming information to adjust the engine's performance.

[GTi]

I'd actually not want to get rid of forced induction. In Mexico the Urvan is available with the same ZD30 engine but still fitted with the turbo and intercooler, altough detuned to 130hp instead of the 160hp for the Patrol. That could be also a good option to the Philippine market...

There are some Japan surplus turbocharged ZD30 Urvan's here, and they have dual sliding doors too. If the turbocharged variant is not reliable, UMC could've at least added the dual sliding doors.

Just a thought here. Would it be more reliable to add an aftermarket turbo intercooler system to a normally aspirated ZD30 Urvan as compared to the original unit?

[cripple_rooster]

Just a thought here. Would it be more reliable to add an aftermarket turbo intercooler system to a normally aspirated ZD30 Urvan as compared to the original unit?

It depends on the size of the turbo and intercooler, the boost, priority valve (a.k.a. blow-off valve), among other minor details...

[kjcc0012]

Kung pang matagalan,isuzu kasi jurassic eh. Pang matagalan talaga. Extinct na yung technology binebenta pa nila.Kung tibay, nasa nag aalaga yan. Sa mindanao hindi pinapansin urvan dun. Toyota hiace aka d4d ang hari dun. Yung mga grandia dun ordinary lang dun pamasada.. Mga byahe nun davao-kidapawan, davao-gensan at kung san san. Yung sa tito ko 458k na ang mileage nia parang bago pa din humatak. Basta yung 2kd-ftv na makina na gawang japan matibay.. Wala ako masabi. Urvan aircon and comfort hands down pero power,speed fuel efficiency,resale valu HIACE wins. Yung estate 3.0 malakas sa crudo may issue pa engine nun. Tinotopak makina nun at may overheating problem. Pag tumanda pa yung enine lalo lumalakas kaen. Sa mga taga davao. Nakakarelate sila sa sinasabi ko. Kahit sa japan, no.1 van nila hiace. HIACE for me.

[myk384]

Kung pang matagalan,isuzu kasi jurassic eh. Pang matagalan talaga. Extinct na yung technology binebenta pa nila.Kung tibay, nasa nag aalaga yan. Sa mindanao hindi pinapansin urvan dun. Toyota hiace aka d4d ang hari dun. Yung mga grandia dun ordinary lang dun pamasada.. Mga byahe nun davao-kidapawan, davao-gensan at kung san san. Yung sa tito ko 458k na ang mileage nia parang bago pa din humatak. Basta yung 2kd-ftv na makina na gawang japan matibay.. Wala ako masabi. Urvan aircon and comfort hands down pero power,speed fuel efficiency,resale valu HIACE wins. Yung estate 3.0 malakas sa crudo may issue pa engine nun. Tinotopak makina nun at may overheating problem. Pag tumanda pa yung enine lalo lumalakas kaen. Sa mga taga davao. Nakakarelate sila sa sinasabi ko. Kahit sa japan, no.1 van nila hiace. HIACE for me.

In Palawan, pantay ang number ng Urvan at Hiace dun (ginagawang tourist vans) pero mas naououtnumber ng Hiace si Urvan. Halohalong Hiaces andun (from the new ones to the older ones, local or imported from Japan)

[kjcc0012]

In Palawan, pantay ang number ng Urvan at Hiace dun (ginagawang tourist vans) pero mas naououtnumber ng Hiace si Urvan. Halohalong Hiaces andun (from the new ones to the older ones, local or imported from Japan)

Sa DAVAO po Madami talaga HIACE.1 is to 10 ang ratio..

[myk384]

Sa DAVAO po Madami talaga HIACE.1 is to 10 ang ratio..

In Palawan ahh, every 5 Urvans may 10 na Hiace na katapat yan

[Walter]

Sa DAVAO po Madami talaga HIACE.1 is to 10 ang ratio..

Actually, it's even less than that, more like 1:50 and this is not an exagerration.

[Ry_Tower]

In Palawan, pantay ang number ng Urvan at Hiace dun (ginagawang tourist vans) pero mas naououtnumber ng Hiace si Urvan. Halohalong Hiaces andun (from the new ones to the older ones, local or imported from Japan)

Actually mga 4 is to 1 in favor of hiace. Mas matipid, mas matulin at mas mura parts and labor eh.

[kjcc0012]

Toyota? Walang credibility sa pag gawa ng truck? Come on, HINO ang truck line nila. Number 1 sa japan at hindi isuzu. Kahit mag research pa kayo. Kaya isuzu madami dito kasi yun ang nauna maestablish dito at karamihan ng mga tinatapon ng hapon eh isuzu. Nasanay lang din yung mga mekaniko dito kasi madami pyesa na tinapon dito na isuzu. Mas maganda pa yung fuso,UD at hino kesa sa isuzu.

[Errol5]

Nasanay lang din yung mga mekaniko dito kasi madami pyesa na tinapon dito na isuzu. Mas maganda pa yung fuso,UD at hino kesa sa isuzu.

got to disagree on these part

[kjcc0012]

got to disagree on these part

It's Okay to disagree. opinion ko to base sa 10 years na experience namin sa trucking at research. Isuzu used to be the undisputed king in japan pero hindi na sila after nakadevelop yung mga kalaban nila.

[OTEP]

Aling irvan iyan sir? Grand estate or escapade?

Sa davao puro toyota talaga. Pati land cruiser ang dami dun eh.

[OTEP]

Sa urvan escapade, you have to lie down under the car to get the air cleaner. Pati fuel filter ganun din. Sa new hiace, just knee in front of the passenger headlamp and you can free the air cleaner.

Checking the coolant, brake fluid and washer fluid on the new hiace is easier and in one place. On the urvan washer fluid is above left taillamp, brake fluid is on driver side dashboard, and the coolant jug is behind the front passenger seat with some minor disassembly required.

Both of them have oil filters underneath the vehicle

[dannyboy833]

I've driven both Toyota Hiace and Nissan Urvan. Hiace Commuter and Urvan Shuttle 18-seater to be exact.

The URVAN:

strengths are - the A/C system cooling capability is high and suspension is comfortable for passengers..

- cheaper than a hiace

- has more seating caps than the commuter

Downsides are:

- the transmission needs a 6th gear especially when running the highways like SCTEX or NLEX. running at speeds over a hundred will cause the TEMP gauge to go higher than the normal operating temp.

- Noticeable loss of power and torque when climbing steep roads (you need to downshift a lot...)

- spare parts have honda-like prices (ANG MAHAL)

Toyota Hiace:

Strengths are:

- Beefy engine (D4D and turbocharged) can make an urvan eat dust...

- SPACE is what this van is all about

- Cheap and available anytime spare parts (maybe not as cheap but cheaper than others)

- Nice ergonomics (I personally love how the steering wheel angle is set to be just like a sedan. Same goes for the location of the shifter. No need for too much arm movements from steering wheel to shifter.)

DOWNSIDES:

- Shaped like a box, or worse like a refrigerator...(but mind you, if you add bodykits it looks bada$$)

- seats are way too stiff. (a big problem for senior citizens who have back problems)

- rear suspension is a bit stiff...

- Front doors are too large aren't they?

[glenn manikis]

I've driven both Toyota Hiace and Nissan Urvan. Hiace Commuter and Urvan Shuttle 18-seater to be exact.

The URVAN:

strengths are - the A/C system cooling capability is high and suspension is comfortable for passengers..

- cheaper than a hiace

- has more seating caps than the commuter

Downsides are:

- the transmission needs a 6th gear especially when running the highways like SCTEX or NLEX. running at speeds over a hundred will cause the TEMP gauge to go higher than the normal operating temp.


- Noticeable loss of power and torque when climbing steep roads (you need to downshift a lot...)

- spare parts have honda-like prices (ANG MAHAL)

Toyota Hiace:

Strengths are:

- Beefy engine (D4D and turbocharged) can make an urvan eat dust...

- SPACE is what this van is all about

- Cheap and available anytime spare parts (maybe not as cheap but cheaper than others)

- Nice ergonomics (I personally love how the steering wheel angle is set to be just like a sedan. Same goes for the location of the shifter. No need for too much arm movements from steering wheel to shifter.)

DOWNSIDES:

- Shaped like a box, or worse like a refrigerator...(but mind you, if you add bodykits it looks bada$$)

- seats are way too stiff. (a big problem for senior citizens who have back problems)

- rear suspension is a bit stiff...

- Front doors are too large aren't they?

cheap toyota d4d hiace ang parts? are you sure sir? ang balljoint daw ng hiace nasa 19K ang isa... ang nozle nasa 18k daw po ang isa....