Better Passenger Van? Nissan Urvan Or Toyota Hi-ace Commuter or others?

[kevin3000]

i saw one ung urvan estate ganda pagtingin ko sa plaka B pero ok lang ambulance siya pero pogi

[GTi]

Mas maganda nga yung imported Urvan kesa sa local eh. It has turbo intercooler on the 3.0 engine and dual sliding doors already. The older ones have the 2.7L engine also with turbo intercooler and 4WD! Why don't we ever get these cool stuff?!

[Starex_Gold]

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[AKI125]

The only solution to this problem is a cleaner diesel fuel. I wonder what happened to our clean air act law? Parang napako na sa 1st stage lang which was removal of harmful lead content in our fuel.

Lugi tayo sa thailand kasi our diesel is as same pricing sa atin pero they are getting cleaner fuels compared to ours

[kevin3000]

Q: kanina pauwi ako sa nlex may kasabay akong urvan parang bluish yung smoke niya? bago pa e P pa plate
and yung strada namin hindi nagamit ng 2 araw.. after ko iistart walang warm up warm up ayun medyo maitim usok sa umpisa nagtry ako na ihinto tapos irev nawala yung usok sa umpisa lang mausok kahit yung 4d56 namin na montero sa umpisa lang.. yung navarra na nakasabay ko bnew pa mausok din.. and starex na crdi may nakita ako na umuusok.. sa diesel yata normal yung uusok pag pinipiga mo..

[KIANTOT]

Kung sa passenger van sa ngayon lalo na sa manila mas marami na ang urvan, karamihan lalo na pag pangbiyahe iwas na sila sa CRDI engine, true nga hindi talaga mausok ang urvan, kahit anu pa ang piga mo sa accelarator, pero bilib ako sa preno ng hiace malakas talaga compare sa urvan

[OTEP]

The truck version of the isuzu nhr which uses the same tranny and diff ratios as the ivan is kind of a lame duck on the road. Sure, it can move under its own power especially in city driving but the engine is so taxed in the open road. Afaik, the only difference with the ivan is the 80 amp alternator vs 50 for the regular truck without ac and the fuel tank of the ivan relocated behind the driver.

But yes, i'd really like to have a crack at the ivan. Its the newest ambulance in the aeromed fleet.

[KIANTOT]

Much better sana kung maitest drive with seating capacity and to see if very good or not,.. I think if it is a break drum in front then it is using "ibeam" suspension, it is heavy duty, It depends also which break booster or the size of hydrovac is installed even it is a break drum in front same as jeepney, yung jeepney ko dati even break drums lahat malakas pa sa kotse ang preno dahil sa break booster na naka install, downside lang eh you need to adjust the break manually kung breakdrums nga lahat...yung sa hiace 2.4 pero ang displacement eh 2446cc, almost 2.5 na din

[zap.FREEDOM]

Much better sana kung maitest drive with seating capacity and to see if very good or not,.. I think if it is a break drum in front then it is using "ibeam" suspension, it is heavy duty, It depends also which break booster or the size of hydrovac is installed even it is a break drum in front same as jeepney, yung jeepney ko dati even break drums lahat malakas pa sa kotse ang preno dahil sa break booster na naka install, downside lang eh you need to adjust the break manually kung breakdrums nga lahat...yung sa hiace 2.4 pero ang displacement eh 2446cc, almost 2.5 na din

another is, ang concern ko kasi sa mga drum brakes e mabilis ang wear & tear kesa sa disc brakes, as what i experienced laging paliting ng rubber cap dun sa mga brake pistons, yun sa mga jeep kasi yan ang laging maintenance sa brake system, lalo na naman to i-van kung laging gagamitin sa mga commercial purposes, biyahe dito, biyahe doon...eto sure siguro ang laging magkakatama IMO.

[GTi]

The i-Van is basically a glorified jeepney. Diba maraming mga jeepney gumagamit lang ng recycled Elf chassis and engine? Some of them are even from Isuzu's powertrain program so talagang galing NHR ang ilalim, transmission and engine (which is also the 4JB1). Kung tutuusin pwede na ang i-Van pero since Isuzu is marketing it as a passenger van/mini-bus. They could've done more with it and boy do I have a long list of improvements for them. Wish also that they'll make it more flexible with more powertrain and body choices. Most importantly, add sliding doors and throw in the 4HF1-T engine!

*KIANTOT: What I-Beam suspension? Di ba leaf spring harap at likod din yan a la jeepney?

[KIANTOT]

The i-Van is basically a glorified jeepney. Diba maraming mga jeepney gumagamit lang ng recycled Elf chassis and engine? Some of them are even from Isuzu's powertrain program so talagang galing NHR ang ilalim, transmission and engine (which is also the 4JB1). Kung tutuusin pwede na ang i-Van pero since Isuzu is marketing it as a passenger van/mini-bus. They could've done more with it and boy do I have a long list of improvements for them. Wish also that they'll make it more flexible with more powertrain and body choices. Most importantly, add sliding doors and throw in the 4HF1-T engine!

*KIANTOT: What I-Beam suspension? Di ba leaf spring harap at likod din yan a la jeepney?

Yun kase bro ang tawag nila sa ganung suspension, yes leaf spring din, same as the jeepney and elf trucks, yung chassis na ng mga jeepneys local made na karamihan,

Yun nga bro pang passenger lang talaga ang i-van, parang alanganin pang personal use dahil marami pang kailangang modification, hindi lang siguro ganun ang unit price kapag 4HF1-T, mas mataas pa, pero sobra naman kung yun ang ikabit na engine kahit siguro mag rice dealer ka pa hehehe

[KIANTOT]

another is, ang concern ko kasi sa mga drum brakes e mabilis ang wear & tear kesa sa disc brakes, as what i experienced laging paliting ng rubber cap dun sa mga brake pistons, yun sa mga jeep kasi yan ang laging maintenance sa brake system, lalo na naman to i-van kung laging gagamitin sa mga commercial purposes, biyahe dito, biyahe doon...eto sure siguro ang laging magkakatama IMO.

Agree bro, kung everyday ang biyahe every week or kapag coding you need to check the breaks hassle talaga, pero true nga ba na breakdrum ang harap nun?

[OTEP]

And most of us dont need the most heavy duty offering because we actuall use the vehicles within their prescribed limits and we actually do maintenance. We just want a unit that is safe, reliable, has intelligent features, and is comfortable. And for a passenger van, the ivan just doesnt make the grade for me iregardless of what motor it has.

[OTEP]

Pahabol. Lahat halos ng transmission ay overdrive ang top gear. Any gear with a ratio of less than 1 is an overdrive gear already. I cant name a current passenger car tranny whose top ratio is still 1 or greater. Manual or automatic.

[KIANTOT]

Ibang comparison naman siguro yung truck sa Urvan at commuter, Even the same displacement ang 4JA1 at 4BA1 hindi pa din sila magkaparehas ng workhorse, kung yung 4BA1 ilalagay mo sa hilander or crosswind, hindi kasya at siguradong masisira ang suspension at chassis sa harap overpower at overweight, mukhang mismatch nga yung engine ng I-Van, lalo na may aircon, sigurado pag nasira yung makina, much better change engine na lang

[zap.FREEDOM]

Pahabol. Lahat halos ng transmission ay overdrive ang top gear. Any gear with a ratio of less than 1 is an overdrive gear already. I cant name a current passenger car tranny whose top ratio is still 1 or greater. Manual or automatic.

Ah..may nalaman nanaman ako, thanks for that info sir Otep, btw yung aircon ng I-van kumusta naman?Malakas ba ang blower?

Ibang comparison naman siguro yung truck sa Urvan at commuter, Even the same displacement ang 4JA1 at 4BA1 hindi pa din sila magkaparehas ng workhorse, kung yung 4BA1 ilalagay mo sa hilander or crosswind, hindi kasya at siguradong masisira ang suspension at chassis sa harap overpower at overweight, mukhang mismatch nga yung engine ng I-Van, lalo na may aircon, sigurado pag nasira yung makina, much better change engine na lang

hehehe,...oo nga sir, mismatch na medyo sapat na rin or we can say na "sakto" lang, no allowance yung displacement,

[OTEP]

Yung sanden aircon super lamig. Kahit naka stop ka sa traffic ng tanghaling tapat. Mas malamig pa dun sa aircon ng urvan ambulance dahil siguro naka distribute ng maganda ang airvents. Medyo bitin sa aircon ang urvan kapag last row ka pero lumalamig din naman after a while.

[OTEP]

Heavy duty still doesnt explain why isuzu just blanked out on important details or just made half hearted engineering efforts to solve pretty simple problems like door trims cracking and door jambs interfering with normal door operation. Or even the appropriate lugs for the wheels installed, and can your driver or gas boy instantly do kpa to psi conversions? Because the tire pressure placard is only listed in kpa while most gas station machines display psi.

And again, load carrying capacity is not the only measure of being heavy duty. It also includes other stuff like systems redundancy, field serviceability, etc. its the reason why my daily non van ride is the preferred civilian vehicle for armor upfitting. Because its heavy duty from the factory floor.

Just what I said, the nhr isnt a bad truck. But Isuzu didnt put much brains into turning it into a van. And its the only one they offer unless they make me a better one to test drive. I just say it how it is. Im not a car magazine writer that has to please advertisers. Thats the unit i, and most other buyers, got and so i test it and write my driving and walk around impressions as such too.

There was a time I was given a chance to use and drive a pretty old Crosswind xuvi. Reliability was just the same with the other units and though my mechanic can easily fix it, he wasnt really having a hard time with the other vehicles in the pool too save for the Patrol Y61.

[mondragon]

kung sa general point of view, isuzu trucks from nhr/f series/giga/elf are number1 extreme ultimate heavy duty trucks... with extra heavy duty reliability without compromising fuel efficiency... isuzu nhr trucks daw can squeeze 23people including driver without overloading.. successful cla dun.. PERO tama ka mr otep, mjo my mga comments nga sa isuzu i-van....

first ung swing type door nila-should've been sliding for more practical... second, ground clearance of the van body is low.. third (tama ka pala) hndi nga foldable ung last row of seats(5 rows ata i-van).. pero kung ako my pera, bbili ako ng nhr(3.8T) truck lang msmo,or nkr(4.5T) taz ppagawan ko nlng ng van body sa centro o almazora-papacustomize ko sa 23-27 seater..Boom!but everything else especially fuel efficiency and reliability of engine=hands down.. malupit yan..

but 4 our personal point of view, yah tama ka nga...even sa suzuki alto can be a heavy duty for u if it has served u in ur specific purpose... khit medium duty lang ang mga hi-ace at urban pero nakatulong sayo especially sa service business mo, khit mas mababa ang payload at more on people lang, it can also be a heavy duty for us.. cguro nga lamang lang sa hakutan load capacity ang isuzu compare to others specifically to toyota and nissan but what more important just wat u are trying to say nga, it served u well.. ok na un..... psnsya..

lastly, cguro ung ginawa ng ISUZU sa i-van is gusto nila ilapit sa tao ung mga specialty nila-ung trucks.. inisip cguro ng mga tao na isuzu trucks are just for delivery/hauling.. kaya cgro nila binaba sa van ung nhr truck pra mpakita na pwde din cla mkpgsabayan sa mga van..kasi un lng wala cla... pansin cguro nila dami2x na urban at hi ace ah.. eto pantatapat natin=ivan.. pero pgpsensyahan nyo na kasi newbie lng cla sa pag gawa ng van(1st tym eh).. auv/pick-up/trucks/buses specialty nila eh.. naisip ko nga wat if almazora gumawa ng body?could it be better?no offense sana sa centro you are good din naman.. wat u tink mr otep?

[OTEP]

I drive a lot of vehicles. Sabi nga nila bat di na lang daw ako nag tsuper. Sa vans, best to drive ay urvan estate. No replacement for displacement eh. Then hiace. Easiest yung urvan escapade. Magaan lang. MB100 ok din kasi true front engine. I van, i just imagine na closed van ang dala ko. Hehe.

Opinion ko lang po iyan. Uour opinions may vary. Urvan estate din po pagdating sa aircon. =)

Without instrumented testing, off hand the Urvan Estate feels the strongest of the two (against the Hiace). That's a Nissan Patrol ZD30 engine underneath the seat minus the turbo and intercooler. It makes as much power as the 2.5 turbo unit of the Hiace but without having to rely on forced induction.

And I've driven the stock version and the ambulance conversion for both Urvan Estate and Hiace and the Estate feels quicker in both versions.