Best Entry Level Car not exceeding P600k

[malcoxx]

Hi All,

I would like to ask everybody's opinion which is the best car for the budget that's below P600k.
The obvious choices are (after looking at the prices online):

> Picanto 2011 1.2 M/T
> Chevy Spark 2011 1.2 M/T
> Hyundai i10 1.1 M/T
> Hyundai Accent M/T 1.4
> Any car I missed in this category

Preferences are:
> MT(obviously)
> Low maintenance (planning to maintain via CASA)/ warranty
> Power amenities are a must. (Windows, Locks, etc)
> Stock audio should at least have Aux-in
> Stock should have alloy mags
> Potential for customization

**Though I am a big guy (5'10" 250lbs) I really don't have problems with small cars since I am coming from a Getz. Also, I don't have a family so, no biggie if space at the back could be cramped, as long as I am not in front. Lastly, which brand/dealer have the best deal/ freebies?

Thanks for your input folks!

[number001]

Toyota Vios 1.3 J - 595,000 with discounts of 15K or more.

[rossph]

If you don't mind the "old look" you can check out the Sentra N16. Your 600k will still have change for customizations.

[GTi]

Accent na. Most cars in this class have steel rims and this is no exception, but it does have aux-in and power amenities. The wheels should be a no brainer since you can get pretty cheap ones for trade in anywhere. And then its the most powerful and most spacious among your choices.

[tidus1203]

Vios J is your best bet in this price range. The Accent has engine knocking issues. Haba pa ng pila...

[ghosthunter]

although not might be considered "best"...

LIFAN 320i



For a cheap car, it got 1.3L efi engine, two airbags and abs brakes. Even alloy wheels.

[niky]

The only reason to get a Vios over an Accent 1.4 is the possible difference in fuel economy.

They both have pretty soft suspensions... Hell, I've seen brand new Vioses squatting to the ground with five on-board (dealer plates pa!) while the biggest complaint with the Accent is bottoming out over humps, but the Accent has better steering, a better shifter, better plastics, a bigger trunk, a much bigger interior (even compared to discount "compacts" like the Sentra, it will surprise you...) and more power. Simple no-brainer there. But still... I really hate the soft suspension. O-sulee supposedly fixes that, but I have yet to try it.

If you like them cute and cuddly, the Picanto has the most quality feel amongst superminis, with the i10 close behind (though the plastics aren't as nice and space is smaller) while the Celerio gives the best economy, though the smallest back seat. The Spark 1.0 MT is pretty decent, great legroom and it is more supple than the Picanto and i10 (close to the Getz, the Pica and i10 are rather stiff), but the shifter isn't great and the rear windows aren't powered.

None of the mini hatches have power mirrors, but you can reach the right side mirrors with your seatbelt on... Since you're 5'10", you probably won't even have to lean over. Alloys, you can ply get with the top-of-the-line models, but most of those are AT, except the Spark... But I'd rather get the 1.0 Spark over the 1.2.

[GTi]

The only reason to get a Vios over an Accent 1.4 is the possible difference in fuel economy.

They both have pretty soft suspensions... Hell, I've seen brand new Vioses squatting to the ground with five on-board (dealer plates pa!) while the biggest complaint with the Accent is bottoming out over humps, but the Accent has better steering, a better shifter, better plastics, a bigger trunk, a much bigger interior (even compared to discount "compacts" like the Sentra, it will surprise you...) and more power. Simple no-brainer there. But still... I really hate the soft suspension. O-sulee supposedly fixes that, but I have yet to try it.

If you like them cute and cuddly, the Picanto has the most quality feel amongst superminis, with the i10 close behind (though the plastics aren't as nice and space is smaller) while the Celerio gives the best economy, though the smallest back seat. The Spark 1.0 MT is pretty decent, great legroom and it is more supple than the Picanto and i10 (close to the Getz, the Pica and i10 are rather stiff), but the shifter isn't great and the rear windows aren't powered.

None of the mini hatches have power mirrors, but you can reach the right side mirrors with your seatbelt on... Since you're 5'10", you probably won't even have to lean over. Alloys, you can ply get with the top-of-the-line models, but most of those are AT, except the Spark... But I'd rather get the 1.0 Spark over the 1.2.

Agree ako sa Vios. It really is cramped, having had the opportunity to drive one and also ride in the backseat of one before. At siguro hindi rin magiging maganda ang gas mileage ng Vios 1.3 if driven hard to reach the performance level of the Accent. And since you described the suspensions of both the Vios and Accent as "soft", and the Vios has been in cab service for so many years already. I suppose that level of softness is acceptable enough. But is the Accent's infamous engine knocking issue really such a big deal that it is something that is supposed to deter people from buying it? After all, it is still flying off showroom floors at record speed even after this issue has been found out. On a side note, so far I have seen one 1.4GL Accent cab. And even in cab livery, it actually still does look pretty good!

Now, being 5"11 myself, I would suggest against getting cars below the subcompact class. In order to get an acceptable driving position, I suppose you'd be sliding the driver's seat all the way back, reclining the seatback a good bit and... But if you should insist in getting something from this class, I'd suggest the Picanto. The new one really looks quite good with Peter Schreyer waving his magic over it. Really hope it drives as good as it looks.

[malcoxx]

Thank you all for your quick and honest replies.
Props for Niky, always worth reading your replies in any thread I visit.

It looks like Accent is still in the lead. The only thing that deters me from really lining up are the numerous complains about the knocking issue and soft suspension. Is Hyundai close to really fixing this issue? If I opt not to buy a car until early next year do you think that's sufficient time to have them fix the issue? Lastly, how much time would it take if I line up for the M/T hehe.

Coming from a small car and not used to really having people at the back, I have a soft spot for minis. Design wise (exterior and interior) so far I like the Chevy Spark, heck my old car (Getz '08 was named Sparky, lol). Since the 1.0 MT (as per Niky and some reviewers out there as well says its the better option) has a huge price discount (518k vs 568k), I'd like to know, apart from the displacement and alloy wheels, is there any other difference at all?

Keep the suggestions and opinions flowing please.

[ghosthunter]

But I'd rather get the 1.0 Spark over the 1.2.

Same here after test driving the all of the Chevy Spark variants from the 1.0L MT, 1.0L AT and the 1.2L MT. My best preferred variant is the 1.0L AT simply because it's most comfortable to drive. You might want the 1.0 MT so you can maximize whatever hp you've got, but you've not got much so let the AT shift gears for you instead.

Why the Spark 1.0 instead of the 1.2? Weirdly the power curve of the 1.2L engine peaks at two points with a big flat area in the middle range of the RPM curve. The result is a massive dead spot of power in the middle of the rpm range. Only pushing to the redline would you get more power. For a driver, it can be frustrating to drive. The 1.0L engine provides a more linear power curve even if the maximum HP is lower.

[ghosthunter]

Keep the suggestions and opinions flowing please.

How about the 2011 Kia Picanto? It rides and handles like a bigger car. The external good looks gives this car a potential for some mods for even better looks. Although the engine noise is not as good as the Spark (4 cylinder in the Spark vs 3 cylinders in the Picanto) but the Picanto seems to pull better from the proverbial stoplight. It could be because the max torque is achieved at only 3,500 rpm in the Picanto while the Spark 1.0 has to reach 4,800 rpm.

Power stuff? Power steering, power windows and power door-locks... side mirrors are manual.

For your entertainment, it has stereo with CD, AUX-input and also i-pod compatible.

Best of all, it comes with 5 year warranty (or 160,000 km).

Kia Picanto specs: KIA in the Philippines

[niky]

The knocking issue: My take: You buy a car that needs 95, use 95. It's just an extra two or three pesos anyway, right? Some people do okay with regular unleaded gasolines, so pick a close-by Shell station, load up on their unleaded and observe. Better try FuelSave, because I have a suspicion that Shell uses a non-Ethanol additive to bolster the required 10% organic content. Observe. If it's okay, okay!

The biggest issue I have with the Spark is the manual transmission is the rubbery and vague shifter. The ones in the Picanto and i10 are much better... if you're getting an AT, the most responsive AT amongst the three (in my experience) is the i10 (though I haven't driven them all back-to-back-to-back). I haven't done the Celerio AT.

The Spark 1.2, aside from the alloy rims, it also has the spoiler on the roof and silver interior trim. That's about it.

[oliver1013]

Dark horse opinion, at 600k if I'm in your shoes, I'll get a decent 2nd hand car or a cuv. Tiyagaan Lang sa paghahanap.

[renzo_d10]

The knocking issue: My take: You buy a car that needs 95, use 95. It's just an extra two or three pesos anyway, right? Some people do okay with regular unleaded gasolines, so pick a close-by Shell station, load up on their unleaded and observe. Better try FuelSave, because I have a suspicion that Shell uses a non-Ethanol additive to bolster the required 10% organic content. Observe. If it's okay, okay!

The biggest issue I have with the Spark is the manual transmission is the rubbery and vague shifter. The ones in the Picanto and i10 are much better... if you're getting an AT, the most responsive AT amongst the three (in my experience) is the i10 (though I haven't driven them all back-to-back-to-back). I haven't done the Celerio AT.

The Spark 1.2, aside from the alloy rims, it also has the spoiler on the roof and silver interior trim. That's about it.

*bold: Tingin ko nga rin Niky yan ang dahilan kung bakit hindi pa naapektuhan ng e-10 yung carburetor powered car ko eh. Walang signs of corrosion

[andretti]

Better try FuelSave, because I have a suspicion that Shell uses a non-Ethanol additive to bolster the required 10% organic content. Observe. If it's okay, okay!

I have been using shell Fuelsave on my car (accent MT) for the past 300km, no knocking sound so far, pero noticeable yung lack of power.

[zap.FREEDOM]

for sure it's not the best, baka pwede na rin isali sa talakayan ito.





Chery A1 1.3, I found it simple yet sporty. Ganda ng pagkaka-execute ng design, simple pero may dating, medyo cute siya at mukha wala etong pinagkopyahan na design, mukha sariling design na nila to, sarili nga kaya? sana naman hindi na nga eto carbon copy design. mukhang matino-tino na ito bagong model ng chery. kaso hindi ko nagustuhan yung dashboard niya, medyo halatang "it is made of plastic".

I will try to test drive it, maybe next month or next week, I'm interested on this new china breed. na-eexcite ako.

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for the Ts, vios 1.3 or accent 1.4 would be my choice.

[zap.FREEDOM]

I remember, medyo hawig niya ang i10 (dun kaya nila kinuha yung concept ng design for the a1?) pero mukhang mas maganda siya sa hyundai i10.

[malcoxx]

So far I am very happy with the discussion here, very appreciative of all the opinions. I am leaning towards the Accent since day one, but the Sparks new design looks fresh like the Accent, maybe that's the reason both are front liners in my list.

Appreciate the input on the engine knocking sound. I came from a very stable ride from Hyundai so my expectation from the Accent would be similar or better. Four years of no trouble except for power streering pump which was replaced under warranty (only major problem I had).

The Chinese cars being suggested here are nice specially the Lifan, but I am concerned about he reliability of the after sales but that's a whole new thread.

Keep them coming please. TIA!

[myk384]

for sure it's not the best, baka pwede na rin isali sa talakayan ito.





Chery A1 1.3, I found it simple yet sporty. Ganda ng pagkaka-execute ng design, simple pero may dating, medyo cute siya at mukha wala etong pinagkopyahan na design, mukha sariling design na nila to, sarili nga kaya? sana naman hindi na nga eto carbon copy design. mukhang matino-tino na ito bagong model ng chery. kaso hindi ko nagustuhan yung dashboard niya, medyo halatang "it is made of plastic".

I will try to test drive it, maybe next month or next week, I'm interested on this new china breed. na-eexcite ako.

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for the Ts, vios 1.3 or accent 1.4 would be my choice.

Meron na ba ito sa market?? Kasi wala pa akong nakikitang ganito.

[zap.FREEDOM]

Meron na ba ito sa market?? Kasi wala pa akong nakikitang ganito.

nasa market na to,wala pa sigurong nabili, kulang pa sa exposure e at awareness level, (eto ang kailangan tutukan ng pansin ng marketing ng chery),

I went to SM Supercenter Tunasan Muntinlupa yesterday, (3-day sale din kasi) then I saw a blue Chery A1 displayed there, ok yung specs niya small body pero 1.3 malaki lang ng konti sa qq3 let's say kasing lakihan na rin hyundai i10, hindi ko lang natipuhan e yung interior niya esp. yung dashboard, ganitong-ganito rin kasi yung interior na naka-display dun, I just grabbed a sample from the net.



sa malayong tingin ok tingan yung dashboard (kahit walang kabuhay-buhay yung design) kaso pag nasa loob kana, ma-nonotice mo na it is just a plastic, lalo na yung center part yung may headunit litaw na litaw yung pagka-plastic, but the great thing is malapad yung loob niya, legroom is so nice, enough sakin kahit may katangkaran ako, yung legroom sa likod di ko na-itry e nagmamadali kasi ako, maluwag at yung gearstick niya nilalaro-laro ko, ok, malambot at mukhang madaling ikambyo unlike dun sa chery qq na medyo maganit (pero hindi naman matigas) ikambyo, 15k downpayment.

gusto ko mag-test drive.
Exterior, maganda, cute nice in blue.

nagtataka lang ako, mahina talaga siguro ang marketing ng chery, biruin mo ba naman sa isang napakaliit na mall na kasing lakihan lang ng palengke na SM muntinlupa lang nila idinisplay, e halos di rin naman ganon kabigtime yun mga pamapasyal dun. Sana sa Festival Mall or Alabang Town Center para malaki-laki at mas maraming tao.