Battle of the SUV's

[Gerbo]

Tsikoteers i wanna ask your inputs regarding the following SUV's ( 3.2 Montero Sport , 3.0 Fortuner , 3.0 Everest , 3.0 Alterra ) which has:

-Fastest Top Speed
-Best off road capabilities
-Best Suspension / Riding comfort
-Best Seat Layout /Leg room
-Best Exterior
-Best Interior

Overall which would you pick?

Its quite obvious that each of these 7-seater mid-sized 4x4 vehicles may score high and low on each of your evaluative criteria.

How much weight one place on each of these will be the decisive factor.

The Fortuner was an instant hit since its launching because it almost answers what the Pinoys want in their SUVs and the pricing is very competitive.

The Everest seems to interest those who take the beaten path frequently.

Those who consider the Alterra hold on to the bastion of Isuzu reliability.

But right now, all eyes and ears are on the MS II--because it has what* it takes to unseat the segment leader.

Mitsubishi finally has a winner ever since the Pajero came to our shores.


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CRDI powerplant
tested drivetrain
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[glntVR]

Oi di ako biased ah. Porket fortuner lang avatar ko di na ibigsabihin meron ako nun. Ganda lang kasi nung picture eh

Hahaha ganda nga nung pic. Buti nga projector na Fortuner ngayon, sa dame ng Fortuner na naka HID grabe yung silaw! hahaha May glare pa din pero not as bad as the old model.

[number001]

The Fort looks okay but shame cause it's the same dash as the Innova and Hilux.

The Fortuner and Hilux both share the same dashboard. The Innova has its own dash design.
Fortuner Hilux
Innova

The Montero has better plastics and darker interior color, hindi madumihin. -Best Interior

The poor use of plastic materials in the Montero's dash is a big let down. The dash's plastic parts (esp. the black trims) is very shiny which might make it distracting driving on a sunny morning or afternoon.

[tidus1203]

Also the overall design of the MS interior looks kinda dated and kinda 90's or early 2000's if you ask me. Yung headunit di suksok pa din whereas ngayon ang uso is integrated na.

Well the Fortuner and the Hi-lux are one and the same, the Fortuner is just a Hi-lux with a permanent roof on the 3rd row instead of a flat bed. But that front 2/3's of the car is one and the same. Pero maskin Innova the dash design of the 3 vehicles are more or less the same. Likewise pati interior ng Strada and Montero Sport looks the same as much as the Fortuner and the Hi-lux is. Same with Everest and Ranger parehong pareho ang interior.

[glntVR]

The Fortuner and Hilux both share the same dashboard. The Innova has its own dash design.
Fortuner Hilux
Innova




The poor use of plastic materials in the Montero's dash is a big let down. The dash's plastic parts (esp. the black trims) is very shiny which might make it distracting driving on a sunny morning or afternoon.

Oh, sorry about the Innova thingy. It's not the same, similar lang. Same lang yun gauges and controls?

Yup the Montero also has poor plastics but due to the darker shade, personally, I find it less noticeable compared to the Fortuner. I like the interior of both cars, the Fortuner looks more luxurios while the Montero looks sportier because of the dark color + red interior lighting.

[niky]

*doble kara* bwisit na internet!

[niky]

Top speed? In one of these things?

All three, when equipped with automatic transmissions, will be electronically limited to 180 km/h. Whether your speed says that's 175, 180, 185, 190... (speedos, especially on tall trucks with big tires, can be notoriously inaccurate) that's what the limit is set at.

I wouldn't feel comfortable taking the Montero or the Everest out to that speed. Both have way too little roll control, and can easily be upset by bumps. The old Fortuner is the opposite... it's way too stiff, and can get skittish over rough surfaces and spin out... the new Fortuner... well, according to the guys at C!, the softer new setting makes it just as wayward at high speeds as the other two.

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Off-road, the Everest has the best equipment... everywhere else, the Montero is superior, with the Fort splitting the difference between the two both on and off-road.

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My choice? Ford Ranger 4x4. Even better off-road, even more stable on the highway. Has a pathetic rear seat, but who cares about the rear seat? :hysterical: If you want a big rear seat, get a van.

[Gerbo]

My choice? Ford Ranger 4x4. Even better off-road, even more stable on the highway. Has a pathetic rear seat, but who cares about the rear seat? If you want a big rear seat, get a van.

Ang problem lang dito sir baka meron sumama ang loob. Dito sa Pinas, halos lahat ng gusto mong pupuntahan marami gustong makisama.

[niky]

Ang problem lang dito sir baka meron sumama ang loob. Dito sa Pinas, halos lahat ng gusto mong pupuntahan marami gustong makisama.

They can ride in the bed... cowboy style... hehehe... I still remember doing this in high school.

Damn dangerous... but fun...

[actor21]

baket di kasama ang upgraded na Sta Fe CRDi + VGT..mejo maliit nga lang ang legroom sa 3rd row.pero pag nanalo ako sa lotto ito agad bibilhin ko hehehe wag lang balik taya or 500 or 20k...basta jackpot

[tidus1203]

Well kasi technically the Santa Fe is a CUV or a cross-over utility vehicle. In other words its has the body and space of an SUV but with the riding comfort and maneuverability of a sedan. SUV yung mga ladder frame body, not necessarily coming from a pickup na nilagyan lang ng bubong like the Everest, Fortuner and Montero Sport. As long as ladder frame SUV na yun.

[s_quilicot]

They can ride in the bed... cowboy style... hehehe... I still remember doing this in high school.

Damn dangerous... but fun...

ako elementary days lang

i even remember when we put surplus front seats at the bed of the pick-up (isuzu TFR)

sorry OT

[scramshaft]

Well kasi technically the Santa Fe is a CUV or a cross-over utility vehicle. In other words its has the body and space of an SUV but with the riding comfort and maneuverability of a sedan. SUV yung mga ladder frame body, not necessarily coming from a pickup na nilagyan lang ng bubong like the Everest, Fortuner and Montero Sport. As long as ladder frame SUV na yun.

Pajeros and Prados have done away with the ladder frame and are still SUVs

but an SUV with a 4speed automatic is a waste of money now that even a Ford Focus has 6
the Santa Fe is an excellent vehicle!
the Koreans have outdone the Japanese in car making, at least in a comfortable real world vehicle.


hi, i'm new here

[tidus1203]

The Prado and Pajero are no longer ladder frames?? Are you sure??

[scramshaft]

The Prado and Pajero are no longer ladder frames?? Are you sure??

yassum!

they are both now monocoque (hope i spelled that right)

they did it to get a better safety rating from US Insurance companies
since ladder frames are more prone to turn over in high speed driving

[tidus1203]

Eh pano yun? Mababawasan na yung off roading capability nila?

[scramshaft]

Eh pano yun? Mababawasan na yung off roading capability nila?

it actually lead to a lower ground clearance
technically it should lessen its real off-road capacities

but still we saw the the Pajero racing and winning in the Paris Dakar Rally

though that kind of rally is only one dimensional as per 4X4 use, pang sand and road-less flat surfaces lang

[niky]

it actually lead to a lower ground clearance
technically it should lessen its real off-road capacities

but still we saw the the Pajero racing and winning in the Paris Dakar Rally

though that kind of rally is only one dimensional as per 4X4 use, pang sand and road-less flat surfaces lang

Ground clearance is based solely on suspension design. The only reason you'll see a lower ground clearance is if the manufacturer lowers the vehicle around the suspension, because the unibody allows tighter packaging than a ladder frame.

There were some who were complaining that the unibody is less tough off-road, but I've heard of suspension tower failure on ladder-frames used in off-road duty, also. It all depends on how well-made the vehicle actually is, rather than how it's made.

But yeah, there is an advantage off-road for ladder-frames... having the frame-rails exposed underneath everything provides protection for mechanical components tucked up under the rails... and provides a solid mounting point for skid-plates. And ladder-frames can carry some pretty heavy loads...

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The thing with the Paris-Dakar Pajeros is... they're not unibody... they're space-frame buggies.

[JPG111]

Toyota has just introduced a new D4D engine for the hilux, the 2.5 diesel 2KD VN Turbo with 144 Hp & 343nm * 1,600-2,800rpm..

I expect toyota to have this engine as a replacement to their underpowered 2.5 diesel engines found on the hilux, fortuner, innova & Grandia with just 102 Hp.. The new engine would fairly compete with the 2.5 diesel engines of Ford, Mitsubishi & Nissan..

Toyota 2.5 D4D VN turbo
- 144 Hp * 3,400 rpm
- 343nm * 1,600-2,800 rpm

Mitsubishi 2.5 DI-D
- 136 HP * 3,500 rpm
- 314nm * 2,000 rpm

Ford 2.5 Duratorq
- 143 HP * 3,500 rpm
- 330nm *1,800 rpm

Nissan 2.5 Di (4X2)
- 144 HP * 4,000 rpm
- 356nm * 2,000 rpm

[Juan591]

New 2.5 D4D engine? Kelan nila ire-release? For sure the Toyota IMV's will have a price increase.