Altis 1.6G, Mazda 3 1.5, Eco Sport Trend AT or Civic 1.8S

[_Cathy_]

Curious lang, between the Civic and Mz3, why do you see the Civic as more reliable?

The FD had aircon and clutch issues, while the 1st and 2nd gen Mz3 had none. The FB is also Thai-built, while the new Mz3 is CBU Japan.


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The impression that Mazda made on me in the 90s stuck. We were choosing between the AE101 and Mazda 323 sedan back then. I don't see much of those Mazda's anymore and getting the AE101 was a good decision! I still see a lot of EKs on the road.

In 2010, I was choosing between the FD and Gen 10. I had more positive feedback with the FD. I was hesitant with the 10th gen corolla because of the sludge issue.

It's usually Toyota vs Honda in my choice of vehicles.

after several weeks of use, can you give us a real-world idea of the new altis's fuel efficiency?

I've been using my Altis for 3 months now But I don't think my car would be a good gauge. I don't pass traffic but I idle a lot (20 mins or so daily). This is what I am getting:

[dr. d]

I recently got the 2014 Altis and I am very happy with the super smooth ride and CVT I chose Honda 2nd because I find it as the next reliable brand to Toyota I am admittedly a Toyota fan.

after several weeks of use, can you give us a real-world idea of the new altis's fuel efficiency?

[jut703]

after several weeks of use, can you give us a real-world idea of the new altis's fuel efficiency?

My experience with the new Altis is 9.4 km/L in city driving.


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[leodawesome]

Some are claiming na masmatipid pa si altis compared to the new 1.3 vios.

[ZENMasterTYL]

toss up between mazda 3 and altis. i'll give altis slight edge over M3 because it's the 1.5 version.

[JohnM]

toss up between mazda 3 and altis. i'll give altis slight edge over M3 because it's the 1.5 version.

Altis 1.6V
Toyota Altis | Choose your Vehicle | Toyota Philippines
kerb weight: 1,265 kg
power: 122bhp at 6,000rpm
torque: 154Nm at 5,200rpm

Mazda 3 1.5 sedan (sourced from brochure)
kerb weight: 1,254 kg
power: 112hp at 6,000rpm
torque: 144Nm at 3,500rpm

3 is down 11kg, down 10hp and down 10Nm vs the Altis (coincidence? ). Max torque comes lower on the rev range for the 3 though.

[Egan101]

Figures from Honda brochure:

Honda Civic FB 1.8S AT
Curb weight: 1,228 kg
power: 141ps at 6,500rpm
torque: 177Nm at 4,300rpm

The Civic FB is lighter than the Altis 1.6G and Mazda3 1.5V. The 2.0L Civic weight is just a few kg heavier (1272) than the Altis 1.6G. However, you get more output and torque with the Civic over the same rpm band.

[germs]

Altis 1.6V
Toyota Altis | Choose your Vehicle | Toyota Philippines
kerb weight: 1,265 kg
power: 122bhp at 6,000rpm
torque: 154Nm at 5,200rpm

Mazda 3 1.5 sedan (sourced from brochure)
kerb weight: 1,254 kg
power: 112hp at 6,000rpm
torque: 144Nm at 3,500rpm

3 is down 11kg, down 10hp and down 10Nm vs the Altis (coincidence? ). Max torque comes lower on the rev range for the 3 though.

Just curious... isn't this just half the story since the SkyActiv engine has a 13:1 compression ratio, which theoretically can give you more mileage per drop of fuel? :D

[ratchet23]

Altis 1.6V
Toyota Altis | Choose your Vehicle | Toyota Philippines
kerb weight: 1,265 kg
power: 122bhp at 6,000rpm
torque: 154Nm at 5,200rpm

Mazda 3 1.5 sedan (sourced from brochure)
kerb weight: 1,254 kg
power: 112hp at 6,000rpm
torque: 144Nm at 3,500rpm

3 is down 11kg, down 10hp and down 10Nm vs the Altis (coincidence? ). Max torque comes lower on the rev range for the 3 though.

I test driven the Mazda 3 in both flavors (2.0R and 1.5V) comparing it to my 2014 Altis 1.6V, the Engine output on the 1.5 is similar to the previous Gen 10.5 Altis 1.6V 4 A/T with a better Transmission. there are still those areas in the 1.5 3 where the acceleration is sluggish even if the transmission is trying hard to play with the 6 gears. The Altis on the other hand has carried over the engine of the previous gen but the improvement on how power is delivered is just amazing to the point that it feels like an entirely different machine compared to the gen 10.5. It just moves with poise and confidence everytime you step on the pedal and yes it is responsive and feels very light to drive.

for the ride comfort, The Altis has a softer ride much like a Camry, The Mazda 3 is a bit firm but I find it more comfortable in the 3. The Altis tends to bounce a bit while the 3 is composed even with the 18 inch shoes. it handles road imperfections really well. the Mazda 3 IMO trumps the altis on Interior, equipment and build quality. and of course it handles very well. The engine note of both engines are both music to the ears

Altis 1.6V vs.Mazda 3 1.5R
IMO direct car to car comparison, I will still choose the Altis 1.6V. but given the factors like it is a lower sticker price, CBU Japan, Yojin 3, a lot of soul in the car and the feeling that it was intensively engineered from ground up. i might have chosen the Mazda 3. A 1.5R M/T WOULD BE NICE!!

for the 2.0 Mazda, there is no doubt. i will buy it in a heartbeat more than any car in the competition

[Walter]

Lancer is getting old. TS probably wants new models.

[germs]

Yep that's the point i was trying to raise. Even if the numbers show that CAR A has the same or slightly better power-to-weight ratio, the Mazda3 will still come out with better economy due to the compression ratio.


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[jut703]

Power-to-weight between Altis and Mz3 might not be too large, but I assure you, on the road the Altis is livelier and much more responsive.

For fuel economy of the Ecosport, feedback from FCP is about 12-13 km/L on provincial highway driving, which is pretty good.

My point is, paper specs mean close to nothing.


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[shok]

Peak torque and hp figures are only for marketing.
Kailangan tingnan yung torque and hp curve across the RPM range.
Kung mataas agad ang torque sa lower RPM at generally flat ang torque curve ng isang kotse, mararamdaman mo in general na malakas ang acceleration kahit sa low RPM. Hindi mo kailangan diinan masyado ang apak ng accelerator para bumilis.
Of course, may factor din dyan ang transmission gearing at programming lalu na kung AT.

[3GEMS]

Summer na summer nagbaha Manila nung isang araw so i'll go to ecosport... Everytime na gamit mo sedan mo then may eencounter ka na baha maiisip mo yung ecosport lol...


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