850k-1M Budget - Your Opinions?

[Newcomer123]

The ix25 is just around the corner. That should be around a million. And it's really fresh and would maintain novelty 5 years from now.

[dr. d]

The ix25 is just around the corner. That should be around a million. And it's really fresh and would maintain novelty 5 years from now.

but will it perform as desired..?
bago pa... might do well.. might fall on its face..
and is TS willing to wait?
choices.. choices..

[SkyFlakes88]

How about nissan sylphy 1.6 m/t or the 1.6 cvt even the top variant 1.8 cvt maybe?

[niky]

Actually, reviewing even the acceleration data, I'm wondering if even that might be affected by whatever device or app they're using for testing. Who wrote that article? I'll ask my friends at C! about it.

How about nissan sylphy 1.6 m/t or the 1.6 cvt even the top variant 1.8 cvt maybe?

Given how heavy "compact" cars are nowadays, tough luck finding any 1.6 sedan that will hit 100 in less than 10 seconds.

Semi OT -- Isn't the 9G Civic supposed to be lighter than the 8G?

Did they tweak the acceleration/transmission gearing/braking?

Seems the FB did really poorly in the test.

From our testing and my driving impressions, there's some sort of delay in acceleration when coming from a stop. For all new auto-equipped Hondas. Seems like it's there to either protect the transmission or perhaps aid in getting better fuel economy numbers on EPA and NEDC tests. This adds anywhere from 1 to 2 seconds to the 0-100 times.

Especially disappointing with something like the Accord V6 (adds approximately 1 second compared to the Nissan Altima)... which is otherwise a fantastic sports sedan, and feels faster than the Nissan once you're in second gear or higher.

[jut703]

Actually, reviewing even the acceleration data, I'm wondering if even that might be affected by whatever device or app they're using for testing. Who wrote that article? I'll ask my friends at C! about it.

Given how heavy "compact" cars are nowadays, tough luck finding any 1.6 sedan that will hit 100 in less than 10 seconds.

Ardie Lopez was the lead writer for the article, while Georges Ramirez was in charge of the testing.

I agree that compacts today seems to have gotten heavier. The Altis, Sylphy, Elantra and Civic have their manuals at around 1200 kg. But then again, they're much bigger than their predecessors.

If the Altis 1.6 could do 10.5s on a hard launch, I'd be happy. All I know though is that past 140 kph, it easily out accelerated my Ranger back then on an open stretch of STAR Tollway. Then again, I've made do with a 1.3L 4AT with only 85 kph for the past few months - any additional power and responsiveness is much appreciated.

[jcal68]

IMO, the Altis looks great from the outside. However in the interior, I do not like the A/C grills design. It felt like reverting to the past.
In terms of acceleration, I must agree that the Altis is no match to the FD.

[jut703]

IMO, the Altis looks great from the outside. However in the interior, I do not like the A/C grills design. It felt like reverting to the past.
In terms of acceleration, I must agree that the Altis is no match to the FD.

I like the Altis' AC vents. What I don't like about the interior is the beige color theme - very oldie and easily blemished.

An FD would definitely be faster than an Altis in 0-100 times. But the 5AT of the FD isn't really the quickest out there, and the FB's is much worse. In my real world use, a transmission that downshifts the moment I need it to is more important than half second differences in acceleration, which is why a cheap, peppy manual is good enough for me.

The MT FB is too expensive. 15" rims, no fog lamps, no steering wheel audio controls, manual climate control, all for 100k more than the Altis G MT.

Haven't driven the MT FB. If they haven't dulled it down the way they castrated the AT FB and if it's offered with a discount, I might give it a second look.

[SkyFlakes88]

I watched a comparo on you tube between the altis,civic and sylphy 1.8 matics on 0-60 mph.

2013 Nissan Sentra vs Honda Civic vs Toyota Corolla 0-60 MPH Mashup Review - YouTube

[EQAddict]

I'd get the jazz its all you could ever want. Good looks. Performance. Utility. Resale value. Lots of aftermarket parts. Fuel efficiency. Space. Paddle shifters. Fun to throw around. Etc.

And it will hit the century mark in about ten seconds.

[jut703]

I'd get the jazz its all you could ever want. Good looks. Performance. Utility. Resale value. Lots of aftermarket parts. Fuel efficiency. Space. Paddle shifters. Fun to throw around. Etc.

And it will hit the century mark in about ten seconds.

It doesn't pass my first criteria of looking respectable and as expensive as it costs. Looks are subjective, but most laymen (non car enthusiasts) I ask agree with me that the Altis looks like a more upscale car.

[gwapster]

It doesn't pass my first criteria of looking respectable and as expensive as it costs. Looks are subjective, but most laymen (non car enthusiasts) I ask agree with me that the Altis looks like a more upscale car.

To the majority who are not car enthusiasts, the sedan body type will always appeal more. To most people that I know, the bigger the car the more upscale it looks, when speaking of the same brand/class.

And yes the Altis looks much better than the Jazz IMHO.

[kimbon]

To the majority who are not car enthusiasts, the sedan body type will always appeal more. To most people that I know, the bigger the car the more upscale it looks, when speaking of the same brand/class.

likewise majority of SUV car owners are not big guys. correct me if I'm wrong here, majority of the people whom you know particularly bachelor guys are 5'5" or below??

[Walter]

Then why was the Honda Jazz kicked out of the garage? Hehehe.

[EQAddict]

Errrrrmm

[Egan101]

The Jazz is a good overall performer but I'm not just impressed with its L15 engine. I'm not sure how much the CVT has improved its zip but our old Honda L-powered cars (5AT) are not ones to called as zippy drives. Maybe the Jazz fitted with the Civic's R18 engine will bring a much better drive.

[niky]

The Jazz is a good overall performer but I'm not just impressed with its L15 engine. I'm not sure how much the CVT has improved its zip but our old Honda L-powered cars (5AT) are not ones to called as zippy drives. Maybe the Jazz fitted with the Civic's R18 engine will bring a much better drive.

I did the 1.5 5AT Jazz for Big Big Car back in the day... 0-100 in 11.2 seconds.

I recall Ferman Lao mentioning the 5AT had big drivetrain losses... but that the losses for the current CVT are also a bit high.

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1.5 CVT, 0-100 - 11.4 seconds at COTY. That's with two on board, so possibly 11 flat with one passenger.... faster than the 5AT, but not by much. Could be faster, but the virtual first gear on the new CVT is pretty long.

The 1.5 MT should be in the mid- to high 10s. And then there's the possibility of a supercharger install...

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Although I'm wondering how the turbo build of Autoplus (the 230+ whp Yaris) drives...

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With an R18, cars like the Jazz and CRZ should hit 100 in around 9 seconds flat.

The CR-Z MT can do 100 in about 9.7 seconds (2 on board)... but you have to spam the Sport+ button like mad while accelerating... (seriously... if you don't, it's about a second slower).

But the CR-Z is $$$$. Then again... nobody will mistake you for having a cheap car.

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The Jazz is a good overall performer but I'm not just impressed with its L15 engine. I'm not sure how much the CVT has improved its zip but our old Honda L-powered cars (5AT) are not ones to called as zippy drives. Maybe the Jazz fitted with the Civic's R18 engine will bring a much better drive.

I did the 1.5 5AT Jazz for Big Big Car back in the day... 0-100 in 11.2 seconds.

I recall Ferman Lao mentioning the 5AT had big drivetrain losses... but that the losses for the current CVT are also a bit high.

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1.5 CVT, 0-100 - 11.4 seconds at COTY. That's with two on board, so possibly 11 flat with one passenger.... faster than the 5AT, but not by much. Could be faster, but the virtual first gear on the new CVT is pretty long.

The 1.5 MT should be in the mid- to high 10s. And then there's the possibility of a supercharger install...

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Although I'm wondering how the turbo build of Autoplus (the 230+ whp Yaris) drives...

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With an R18, cars like the Jazz and CRZ should hit 100 in around 9 seconds flat.

The CR-Z MT can do 100 in about 9.7 seconds (2 on board)... but you have to spam the Sport+ button like mad while accelerating... (seriously... if you don't, it's about a second slower).

But the CR-Z is $$$$. Then again... nobody will mistake you for having a cheap car.

[EQAddict]

Also the jazz has a manual variant. But I'd get the cvt if budget permits. Better fuel efficiency and paddles are fun fun fun. I would think its faster than the corolla given its lighter and has more power.

[EQAddict]

speedlabs has a supercharged 1.5 manual jazz. 145hp at the wheels I don't think the cvt though can take that kind of torque.

The beauty about the jazz though is that its so maneuvarable in and out of traffic. I don't think me inside my mustang could catch me inside my jazz if it were even just light traffic in edsa or the c5. You would really need an open road to beat the jazz. Its that nimble and slottable.

[EQAddict]

The other week I saw an avanza racing against a bmw 335i along the slex. Holy cow. The bmw couldn't shake the avanza in light traffic. Once you're in triple digit speeds you hit the slower cars in front of you fast and have to find an open lane or slot. Every single time the avanza would either find a better lane/slot or catch up to the hard charging beemer. I followed for a bit in my jazz haha

[jut703]

The other week I saw an avanza racing against a bmw 335i along the slex. Holy cow. The bmw couldn't shake the avanza in light traffic. Once you're in triple digit speeds you hit the slower cars in front of you fast and have to find an open lane or slot. Every single time the avanza would either find a better lane/slot or catch up to the hard charging beemer. I followed for a bit in my jazz haha

This happens to me several times a day even on the highway. You'd think any car with over 120 hp would easily make my Vios eat dust, but I've only been overtaken thrice - all because they did so on an empty piece of SCTEX, a Range Rover, Montero GLS-V, and Santa Fe R-eVGT.

As long as the road has other cars, the one with quicker responses and better mastery of the road can easily outmaneuver the one with a bigger engine.

Because of this, I don't single out performance alone anymore. As long as it's not handily outclassed by everything in its price range, I can make do with that. I look at the car's overall appeal more. At the end of the day, we buy what makes us the happiest.

Even if the Altis MT doesn't hit 100 in 10s, the few cars that do are severely lacking in the other aspects I look for. As dr.d opined a few pages back, the Altis isn't outstanding in any criteria, but comes out a winner if you average everything and look at it as a whole (looks, performance, pricing, handling, resale value, space, image).