Nissan Kicks VE or Honda HR-V S

[Jepster]

For a family of two, which would you choose and what would make you choose one over the other?

Will be used mostly for city driving, with the occasional long drive (Baguio, La Union, Vigan, ganun). I'm thinking, the price difference (would be getting a bank loan for this) would be offset by the monthly gas consumption.

[kagalingan]

guinea pig ka pa sa kicks.

Tapos wala available na S.

[ice15]

For a family of two, which would you choose and what would make you choose one over the other?

Will be used mostly for city driving, with the occasional long drive (Baguio, La Union, Vigan, ganun). I'm thinking, the price difference (would be getting a bank loan for this) would be offset by the monthly gas consumption.

I feel na under-powered yung non-Turbo HR-V

also find it disappointing na wala syang reverse sensor (even the TOTL version)

[carxynogen]

I feel na under-powered yung non-Turbo HR-V

also find it disappointing na wala syang reverse sensor (even the TOTL version)

I think lahat ng models from Honda walang reverse sensor even the CR-V TOTL.

[carxynogen]

guinea pig ka pa sa kicks.

Tapos wala available na S.

Other countries like Vietnam/Thailand ata ang naging guinea pig sa kicks e-power.

[kagalingan]

i mean meron na ba 5years year yan sa ibang bansa nakareach 120,000 kms.

[uls]

may nissan e power na kotse na 5 taon na?

[ice15]

I think lahat ng models from Honda walang reverse sensor even the CR-V TOTL.

wow...

naalala ko tuloy bigla nung bago yung City ko.

I requested reverse camera + reverse sensor (35K + 2.5K)

sabi sa akin ng SA, di na kailangan yung sensor since may camera na.

[ice15]

back to the thread topic...

mid-range Kicks vs Non-Turbo HR-V

feeling ko, if you plan to keep the car for 10 years and more...

HR-V will be a better option. the L15 engine + CVT is used by the current City, Civic and upcoming BR-V
technically, same din sya sa previous gen City, BR-V and Mobilio

if ayaw mo na magpa-service sa casa, there's also Honda SPA

I'm sure wala kang magiging issue sa battery ng Kicks for the next 15 years or more. pero naiisip ko pa lang na electric yung A/C nya and iilan lang siguro and A/C shops na maglalakas loob na gawin sya.

[17Sphynx17]

If I were in your position, I would ask the following since a Hybrid is being considered.

1) how much is my "usual" annual mileage travelled for the vehicle? - By my estimates, you should at least be averaging around 10k kms of city driving (as a minimum), ideally 15k kms annually (ideal) to get the most out of the Kicks. The fuel savings you get after 10 years will provide you with the "buffer" in case you need battery replacement while still having remainder/excess of fuel savings on top of that. This assumes even a cost for battery replacement to be in the neighborhood of around 200k php. This assumes the Kicks can "double" you fuel efficiency/mileage for the same liter of fuel compared to NA ICE/Turbo ICE engine.

2) Price. The base model of the Kicks is "okay" but not ideal. Bang for buck is the mid trim at around 1.309m php. Initial SRP. Sales Agent told us that was introductory and they had limited first batch delivery, maybe only 100 units. There is now a waiting list, not sure if the price will be the same once units are again made available. The non turbo HRV is at 1.25m php, sandwiched in between the Kicks models being mentioned. Is the feature list of the non turbo HRV sufficient to satisfy your driving needs compared to the mid level variant Kicks? Personally for me, Kicks mid variant is already "loaded", the TOTL has "too much icing" that you I would never really need/use. So, with the HRV Turbo with Honda Sensing starting at 1.598php, vs a mid level Kicks at 1.309m php, is the additional price of 300k php worth it? At that price difference, you could save that even at annual term time deposit. Use that saved amount + interest to pay for maintenance and battery replacement of Kicks. Performance would beat the Turbo of the HRV from 0-60 and 0-100 with legal speed limits locally because of the electric motor. But my thoughts on the matter hinge on the fact that HRV does not have discounts and the Kicks VE will not have price increases.

3) Suspension and Comfort - I'd personally say Suspension of Kicks is on the "utilitarian" side after riding with my friend's Kicks and also test driving it. Comfort is "better" when it is loaded (5 Pax or with cargo). But if only with 1 or 2 persons inside, not so great. Especially at low speeds and encountering road undulations/potholes. Plus, the tires on the Kicks, even in proper pressure have stiff sidewalls. This is normal with Eco Tires though so it "could improve" if you replace those tires to something else. Do note that it will have the possible downside of lowering fuel efficiency if you shift away from EcoTires to have lower road noise and comfort. For Noise transmitted inside the Kicks, the "whirr" of the compressor is very distinct but a little muted inside the cabin. Outside though, matinis/sharp and rinig siya talaga when it "kicks on". Different pa audible sound of the engine charging the battery, especially from a cold start. Inside the vehicle, normal, but outside medyo distinct and rinig siya. Not as loud as a diesel, but very distinct in my opinion. Car Horn mas "malakas" audio going into the car interior that going outside. Ewan ko lang kung baliktad installation ng busina sa kaibigan ko pero very audible ang busina paloob. haha! He will have it checked pag nagpa 1000km checkup na siya.

4) Freebies - No freebies at all sa Kicks. Hehe! Kahit EWD, payong or seat cover wala. Sumbrero at lanyard nakakuha kaibigan ko. Haha! Sa Honda ba anu libre?

[doo]

For a family of two, which would you choose and what would make you choose one over the other?

Will be used mostly for city driving, with the occasional long drive (Baguio, La Union, Vigan, ganun). I'm thinking, the price difference (would be getting a bank loan for this) would be offset by the monthly gas consumption.

With gas prices the way they are, get the hybrid.

EV/hybrid tech is getting better, ICE cars might get a big drop in (resale) value in 5 yrs time. Evident on some brands transitioning to hybrids/EV and some are EOL'ing their flagship guzzlers.

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[ice15]

one more thing...

my sister's Honda SA told her na wala nang non-Turbo HR-V na lalabas this year.
may pila na din yung Kicks.

Both are expected to have a price increase.

[Dr.Kamiya]

may nissan e power na kotse na 5 taon na?

Nissan Note e-Power came out 2016 in Japan. Nissan e-Power series hybrid builds on electric-car expertise

More or less same drivetrain as the Kicks, just a slightly smaller battery.

[carxynogen]

With gas prices the way they are, get the hybrid.

EV/hybrid tech is getting better, ICE cars might get a big drop in (resale) value in 5 yrs time. Evident on some brands transitioning to hybrids/EV and some are EOL'ing their flagship guzzlers.

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If almost cars maging EV na and walang restriction sa use ng gasoline, baka magmura price ng gasoline.
I remember dati dami nagpa convert taxi to LPG dahil mas mura nga.
Pero nung dumami nagpa convert, tumaas din presyo LPG to the point na naging maliit nalang difference price ng gas at LPG.
Baka ganito din mangyari if all cars are EV na.
For sure tataas presyo ng kuryente, affected pa mga household consumers.
Kukulangin pa nga supply natin usually especially during summer season.

[dr. d]

For sure tataas presyo ng kuryente, affected pa mga household consumers.
Kukulangin pa nga supply natin usually especially during summer season.

it think california is already feeling it.
authority is requesting EV owners to not charge their vehicles at certain times of the day, as the state grapples with energy shortage.

[bxr monkey]

Mukhang lamang HR-V sa interior comfort at space.

Kicks in paper lamang sa power. Pero sa long power demand kunwari continuous na akyatan sa Baguio na overtaking ng trucks... once depleted na battery, ang mabibigay niyang power ay equivalent sa 1.2L engine? Labas 1.2L vs. 1.5L.

Pero sa city driving na 95% use case ni TS, malamang lamang si Kicks sa power at efficiency. May time mag charge sa stop and go traffic.

[ice15]

Kicks in paper lamang sa power. Pero sa long power demand kunwari continuous na akyatan sa Baguio na overtaking ng trucks... once depleted na battery, ang mabibigay niyang power ay equivalent sa 1.2L engine? Labas 1.2L vs. 1.5L.

same pa din... the 1.2L engine is not connected to the cars powertrain.

[Vodka]

Mukhang lamang HR-V sa interior comfort at space.

Kicks in paper lamang sa power. Pero sa long power demand kunwari continuous na akyatan sa Baguio na overtaking ng trucks... once depleted na battery, ang mabibigay niyang power ay equivalent sa 1.2L engine? Labas 1.2L vs. 1.5L.

Pero sa city driving na 95% use case ni TS, malamang lamang si Kicks sa power at efficiency. May time mag charge sa stop and go traffic.

yeah the battery is tiny would be interesting to see how it performs when you completely deplete the batt like in the scenario you described

so what'll happen is the 1.2 will act as generator, lots of power losses there. then electricity will go through various power electronics (more power losses), before being fed into electric traction motor WITHOUT the assistance of battery coz it's depleted. so it'll probably perform worse than a 1.2L directly driving the wheels

between kicks and hrv i'd probably pick the honda. epower is very complex compared to pure ICE or pure EV. lots of things that could go wrong. low power electronics like ECU can be very reliable, but power elec w/ lots of large capacitors and MOSFETs, not so much

[ice15]

yeah the battery is tiny would be interesting to see how it performs when you completely deplete the batt like in the scenario you described

so what'll happen is the 1.2 will act as generator, lots of power losses there. then electricity will go through various power electronics (more power losses), before being fed into electric traction motor WITHOUT the assistance of battery coz it's depleted. so it'll probably perform worse than a 1.2L directly driving the wheels

between kicks and hrv i'd probably pick the honda. epower is very complex compared to pure ICE or pure EV. lots of things that could go wrong. low power electronics like ECU can be very reliable, but power elec w/ lots of large capacitors and MOSFETs, not so much

technically... an engine powering a generator is more efficient that an engine powering the wheels directly.

for me. the choice is basically how long do you plan to have the car maintained by Nissan...

Its the reason why my sister chose the HR-V, she can't imagine bring a 5 year old car to Nissan for repairs (if something goes wrong)

[bxr monkey]

Oo nga. Limited na sa power generating capacity ng 1.2L once depleted na battery.

Battery capacity malamang na estimate para sa normal acceleration at overtaking. Then need ng time mag charge. Hindi kaya sa constant power demand tulad ng continuous topspeed driving, na hindi naman normal. Hehe.

Dito sa video mababa na top power at top speed once no charge na. In effect 1.2L ICE na lang nagdadala.

https://youtu.be/e2QQiN0u-jQ

Malamang mabibitin iyan sa dulo ng Baguio climb at ubos na battery.