Nissan Kicks VE or Honda HR-V S

**viper888** · October 12th, 2022 04:25 PM

My dad chatted with a Taxi driver in Singapore driving a Prius. He said its very reliable but it was only 8 years old at that time with 300K+ mileage. Same weather as us so that is a fairly good reference. The usual melting plastics are normal and can be avoided by parking in a covered area.

**17Sphynx17** · October 12th, 2022 06:36 PM

Originally Posted by carxynogen

Di ba safety issue yan if mamatay makina in the middle of akyatan?
Hindi mo naman pwd sabihin na hindi kaya ng makina (like Wigo's engine power) since umandar naman sasakyan, hindi lang maka akyat so may room yung driver to maneuver the car.

If maubusan battery during akyatin, does the electric motor turned off?
The scenario might be makaakyat but mahina pwersa ng engine since the one powering the electricity for the motor is directly from 1.2L engine.

I would be concerned if EV motor will suddenly be turned off in the middle of akyatan just because of depleted battery.

It would also be interesting to see how much power in HP lang kaya ng EV motor if walang battery. Meaning power is directly supplied by gasoline engine generator to EV motor.
Yung mga vloggers dyan, pwd kaya kayo makagawa ng vlog to demonstrate this by removing the EV battery and directly connect the EV motor inverter (correct me if Im wrong).

The Kicks e-Power system "should" not allow you to fully drain the battery if the battery drops to Zero (as in pinilit mo talaga to drop it to 0/nil), you are SOL and will need a tow. You can't start the car with a drained Li-ion battery. It says so in the manual. But if still want to do it, that's on the driver/owner already, as it is not intended to be used that way.

The video already posted here shows the Kicks limiting power to prevent complete drain and allow the 1.2L engine to charge (or at least maintain the charge even at "speed" of 150kph). So the setting is programmed in to protect you from draining/ruining the battery.

As for the hill climb, the car can still climb. But you are not expecting the car to be pushed in a climb at "maximum speed". That is not the purpose of the e-Power System.

So I highly doubt "mabibitin" ka sa e-Power sa akyatan. Magcharge lang as will be needed yung Kicks/e-Power to maintain an adequate "float" charge and prevent you from draining the battery. This keeps in mind that you have fuel in the tank to allow the engine to run and charge the battery, and there is nothing wrong with the system of e-Power limiting top speed/acceleration in that regard. You will still be able to move, just "not as fast/hard", right?

Kung sa akyatan, iwan ang non turbo HRV sa Kicks. Kung turbo, may laban siguru na hindi iwan yung turbo HRV but walang habol sa instant torque ng e-Power from standstill. Just drive it reasonably and responsibly, should not have issues.

It's not meant for racing. It can hard accelerate if you need it to. But how frequently do you need it to on a regular basis?

**bxr monkey** · October 12th, 2022 07:34 PM

Originally Posted by 17Sphynx17

The Kicks e-Power system "should" not allow you to fully drain the battery if the battery drops to Zero (as in pinilit mo talaga to drop it to 0/nil), you are SOL and will need a tow. You can't start the car with a drained Li-ion battery. It says so in the manual. But if still want to do it, that's on the driver/owner already, as it is not intended to be used that way.

The video already posted here shows the Kicks limiting power to prevent complete drain and allow the 1.2L engine to charge (or at least maintain the charge even at "speed" of 150kph). So the setting is programmed in to protect you from draining/ruining the battery.

As for the hill climb, the car can still climb. But you are not expecting the car to be pushed in a climb at "maximum speed". That is not the purpose of the e-Power System.

So I highly doubt "mabibitin" ka sa e-Power sa akyatan. Magcharge lang as will be needed yung Kicks/e-Power to maintain an adequate "float" charge and prevent you from draining the battery. This keeps in mind that you have fuel in the tank to allow the engine to run and charge the battery, and there is nothing wrong with the system of e-Power limiting top speed/acceleration in that regard. You will still be able to move, just "not as fast/hard", right?

Kung sa akyatan, iwan ang non turbo HRV sa Kicks. Kung turbo, may laban siguru na hindi iwan yung turbo HRV but walang habol sa instant torque ng e-Power from standstill. Just drive it reasonably and responsibly, should not have issues.

It's not meant for racing. It can hard accelerate if you need it to. But how frequently do you need it to on a regular basis?

1 way malaman is mag arrange ng media drive to Baguio ang Nissan PH, sa iba ibang routes.

**kagalingan** · October 12th, 2022 07:53 PM

Originally Posted by ice15

ako naman.. I messaged family and friends sa US/Canada and they told me na may mga kilala silang naka 15 year old Prius without issues sa car.
My friends from Singapore, wala din issue with their Prius and (Honda) mild hybrids (ginamit pa nga sa Singapore as Taxi/Grab car yung Prius)

pero ibang case naman with the Kicks since di connected sa powertrain yung 1.2L engine nya

and Phil setting na halos dealership lang may experience and know-how to repair hybrids.

kaya for me, it all depends on the car owner.

If ako bibili, I'll get a hybrid.
Pero I can't recommend the Kicks to my sister, kaya she bought the HR-V

Originally Posted by viper888

My dad chatted with a Taxi driver in Singapore driving a Prius. He said its very reliable but it was only 8 years old at that time with 300K+ mileage. Same weather as us so that is a fairly good reference. The usual melting plastics are normal and can be avoided by parking in a covered area.

so yung naka 15years sa america at 8years singapore eh hinid pa nagpapalit battery?

**17Sphynx17** · October 12th, 2022 08:23 PM

Originally Posted by bxr monkey

1 way malaman is mag arrange ng media drive to Baguio ang Nissan PH, sa iba ibang routes.

Media drive before ng launch ng Kicks was Manila to Misibis Bay and back. Di ba may bundok/hill climb na dadaanan dun? Hindi lang naman Baguio ang sukatan ng akyatan at "twisties"

Wala lang ako nabasa na dumaan sila sa Bituka ng Manok route though, pero meron pa din changes in elevation sa route to Misibis Bay galing Manila. Do correct me if I am wrong.

**bxr monkey** · October 12th, 2022 09:57 PM

Originally Posted by 17Sphynx17

Media drive before ng launch ng Kicks was Manila to Misibis Bay and back. Di ba may bundok/hill climb na dadaanan dun? Hindi lang naman Baguio ang sukatan ng akyatan at "twisties"

Wala lang ako nabasa na dumaan sila sa Bituka ng Manok route though, pero meron pa din changes in elevation sa route to Misibis Bay galing Manila. Do correct me if I am wrong.

Hindi ko din sure ang route sa Misibis Bay.

Ang alam ko sa Baguio madaming constant na straight up, tapos madaming beses kailangang mag overtake sa convoy ng cargo trucks. Tingin ko dyan pupunta sa 25% ang battery at kailangan ng sakalin ang power para hindi mag 0% ang battery. Reduced na ang power delivery sa 1.2L ICE.

**ice15** · October 13th, 2022 09:26 AM

Originally Posted by kagalingan

so yung naka 15years sa america at 8years singapore eh hinid pa nagpapalit battery?

hindi pa (mga Prius owners na natanong ko)

Note: for US, nasa California sila lahat.

**Verbl Kint** · October 13th, 2022 05:24 PM

Honestly, the only issue with the Kicks is the lack of a spare tire. Other than that, it's a great car with enough torque to climb shotgun road (look it up).

All this crazy fear of the battery going dead anytime is not that different back in the day when the OG's were afraid that automatic transmissions wouldn't last as long as their old manual trannies from the 70's and 80's.

**17Sphynx17** · October 13th, 2022 06:31 PM

Originally Posted by Verbl Kint

Honestly, the only issue with the Kicks is the lack of a spare tire. Other than that, it's a great car with enough torque to climb shotgun road (look it up).

All this crazy fear of the battery going dead anytime is not that different back in the day when the OG's were afraid that automatic transmissions wouldn't last as long as their old manual trannies from the 70's and 80's.

I agree. I do wonder if a "next gen" epower, will allow for a "jump start" (or allow for a temporary direct charge of Li-ion) if the owner accidentally (or intentionally) let the li-ion battery fully drain/die. It won't be an issue with the 12V battery in the back, but I do wonder if there will be a (future) way to revive it without needing to go to a Nissan dealer or complete teardown to remove the battery like what happened with the first gen epower of the Note previously posted here.

The Kicks isn't completely "passively cooled". I think for the Leaf it is completely passively cooled, but for the Kicks at least, it has a fan mounted inside the car to draw air from the cabin to help cool down the battery. a secondary coolant loop is also inplace for the inverter of the e-power system. This doesn't look like it is connected to run through the li-ion pack though from the manual. But at least it isn't "completely" passively cooled because they did add a fan (at least)

**ice15** · October 13th, 2022 06:32 PM

Originally Posted by Verbl Kint

Honestly, the only issue with the Kicks is the lack of a spare tire. Other than that, it's a great car with enough torque to climb shotgun road (look it up).

All this crazy fear of the battery going dead anytime is not that different back in the day when the OG's were afraid that automatic transmissions wouldn't last as long as their old manual trannies from the 70's and 80's.

hahaha

ako naman, reminds me nung di replaceable battery ng iPhone

my biggest concern with hybrids and EVs
*meron bang chemicals yung firefighters natin against battery fire? (di sya kaya ng tubig)
*how does our LGU plan to get rid of the battery (waste?)
(not the price of a battery replacement)