Used Toyota Innova D4D E or G VS Kia Carnival LWB LX or EX

[shok]

Checking 2009 and up models. 2008 pwede na din.
Main concern is comfort for 7 or 8, fuel efficiency and durability.
Main function is weekend/out of town family/extended family use.
Any issues for both that are deal breakers?
And would you prefer MT or AT for both options?
Although mas mahal ang Carnival when brand new, depreciated na sya by more than 50% so almost same na lang ang cost ng dalawang ito sa used car market.
Alin ang pipiliin nyo sa dalawang ito? Anong variant? Bakit?

[dr. d]

the innova.
spare parts and repair should be easier, as toyota has a considerably wider "sphere of influence" than kia.
also, i like to think the innova is more durable.
which variant? the most you can afford, except the V (it's one seat less)..

the carnival is nice.. lower step height, and wider passenger space. but... it's still korean. i still think the japanese make better (i.e., more reliable) cars..

[1D4LV]

you can't go wrong with both, but i would go for the innova.
why?

a. higher resale
b. availability of parts.

[valskie01]

Checking 2009 and up models. 2008 pwede na din.
Main concern is comfort for 7 or 8, fuel efficiency and durability.
Main function is weekend/out of town family/extended family use.
Any issues for both that are deal breakers?
And would you prefer MT or AT for both options?
Although mas mahal ang Carnival when brand new, depreciated na sya by more than 50% so almost same na lang ang cost ng dalawang ito sa used car market.
Alin ang pipiliin nyo sa dalawang ito? Anong variant? Bakit?

ill pick the carnival anytime. the passengers comfort for 8 people on out of town trips is superb compare to innova. its has more space for luggages.

[crosswind]

These to vehicles are nice family vehicle
go for toyota innova]
since more rugged
higher ground clearance
spare parts are easy to find
get The G variant
since its a used one

Kia carnival
spacious than the innova
lower ground clearance
easier acces in the rear door in the tight places
because of the sliding door
I think it has auto sliding door
powerful engine
It's sometimes called the Poor man's Town and country

[dct]

Carnival. More comfortable and powerful than innova. Mas comfotable rin ang 8 passengers.

Mas mahal ang brand new ng carnival pero same price na lang sila sa used market. Mas sulit ang presyong babayaran in my opinion

[k0mpressor]

Based on your criteria, (second hand affordability, comfort, durability, weekends only use for long drives, fuel efficiency), I'd go for the Carnival LWB. Why?

- Ride is far more comfortable than the innova
- Seats and passenger seat positions/spacing are far more comfortable than the innova especially on the third row
- Luggage space for a fully packed vehicle far greater than the innova
- Can climb far better than the Innova including when fully packed
- Only the SWB has the MT if I'm not mistaken
- Good fuel efficiency for its carrying capacity

The good things that the Innova have over the Carnival
- fuel efficiency during bumper to bumper traffic, but again you're using it on weekends for long hauls
- parts are cheaper and more abundant (although I never had problems with Korean parts and consumables because of Goodgear Pasay)
- Higher ground clearance for flood-fording which I don't think is applicable for your intended use
- Resale value because of the Pinoy Toyota-Honda-Isuzu mentality


For me, the Carnival is not even comparable to the Innova. Based on my own experience, it can be closely compared to a Toyota Sienna if the latter came in a turbodiesel. Even the Toyota Previa can't compare with the Carnival overall.

[shok]

Thanks for all your insights. Di pa naman immediate, but admittedly, being a toyota family with 10 of 11 cars owned or driven within our family since year 2000 being a toyota, a used carnival is really an interesting proposition because. it has Previa like features and another is that it's already depreciated. The only thing going against it is the Kia badge, that I have to sell to the family since one thing were planning on also is a used Hiace Grandia GL, although prices are still quite high for 2008 and up models.

For the SWB version, how does it compare with the innova in terms of luggage space at the back of the 3rd row?
Ok sana ang innova but like everyone, it sucks kung out of town kasi ang liit ng space for bags and luggage.
SWB Carnivals naman are cheaper than LWB but loses the power sliding doors and rear doors na mas ok actually because for a > 5 year old car, you really don't want those things failing on you. Yun lang, mas maliit ang space sa likod.
Meron bang LWB na walang power doors?

[dr. d]

if you really like the carnival, you don't have to sell it to your family.
go buy it, and your family will run to it and claim ownership to their favorite seat..
heh heh.

one reason why i don't have a carnival, is it's too large for my neighborhood..
another reason is... it's korean (for whatever real or imagined disadvantages that may imply).

my colleague bought the (2nd generation?) carnival 'way back in the 90s.... 'sold it after a few months, because it was spending more time in the fixit shop than in his garage.. i hope build quality has improved since..

[shok]

it's korean (for whatever real or imagined disadvantages that may imply).

.. i hope build quality has improved since..

This sums it up for the Carnival...

[dct]

Kahit pa japanese brand, bulok pa rin ang casa. Marami naman nang korean parts outside the casa

[mda_]

Kahit pa japanese brand, bulok pa rin ang casa. Marami naman nang korean parts outside the casa

not considering auto racism, hands down the carnival is the more bang for the buck choice for that 2nd hand price. since 2nd hand na rin naman, i think it would be much better to get service outside the casa anyway. test drive and ride both (as a passenger) and you will surely notice the difference.

[GTi]

Checking 2009 and up models. 2008 pwede na din.
Main concern is comfort for 7 or 8, fuel efficiency and durability.
Main function is weekend/out of town family/extended family use.
Any issues for both that are deal breakers?
And would you prefer MT or AT for both options?
Although mas mahal ang Carnival when brand new, depreciated na sya by more than 50% so almost same na lang ang cost ng dalawang ito sa used car market.
Alin ang pipiliin nyo sa dalawang ito? Anong variant? Bakit?

Comfort for 7 or 8? Yun palang Carnival na. The Innova may be able to seat 8, but the ones at the 3rd row would be quite uncomfortable after awhile. The Carnival offers ample space for 8 full sized adults and a bigger cargo space. Being a unibody vehicle also means superior handling and ride comfort as compared to the Innova

My personal preference would be manual for long drives and automatic for city driving. So, since you will mostly be using this for out of town trips, I'd suggest you go with the manual and maximize it's edges in performance and fuel efficiency. Now, imagine the 160hp Carnival with a manual tranny! :devil:

In terms of safety, the Carnival holds a 5 star crash rating with the US NHTSA, and is generally well received in first world countries as a competent people mover, even against excellent minivans like the Odyssey, Sienna and Town&Country. There have also been no major issues, as far as I know.

The Innova would definitely have better fuel efficiency, especially in city driving, what with the big difference in displacement and power output. I'd also be more confident driving an Innova through floods and rough roads. Spare parts should also be more widely and readily available.

For your purposes, I'd go with the Carnival SWB M/T. That is, unless you will be needing lots of luggage space wherein the LWB variant will be required.

[grandestan]

i bought a brandnew inova G manual in 2005 sold it in 2008 and bought a brandnew kia carnival lx swb manual in 2008. My wife and i have 4 teenager kids. I had drove the innova to pagudpud and baguio. I had drove the kia carnival to camsur and baguio and we are from san fernando pampanga. Both are good family vehicles, easy to drive and maintain. Maintenance cost are comparable if under warranty ,but i would buy the parts and have it serviced outside casa afte warranty. The main advantage of Toyota is the brand recognition and value. I took a gamble shifting to kia carnival. The reason for the shift is my teenager kids grew up fast and the space for the innova became a problem. On long roadtrips there would be minimal trunk space for personal belongings. In the carnival we removed the middle seat in the second row since we need only 6 seats and used the space for access to 3rd row and additional luggage space. In the carnival my kids were more comfortable in long roadtrips because the seats can semirecline and the legroom was not crampy. The kia is also about a half foot wider than innova. The aircon vents also located top of each seat just like in an airplane. The kia has a more carlike ride with easier ingress/egress on the rear seats because of the wide sliding doors . In driving to areas like baguio sometimes i had a problem climbing steep slopes which i did not experience with the carnival. one thing i appreciated in the carnival is its ability to turn into "pick up" with a covered cargo area one you removed all the 5 rear seats. They are easy to remove but quite heavy to carry around. I was able to load a 3 seater heavy wood garden bench once. This feature proved very useful to me when i move some furniture or appliances around and i didn't have to borrow a pickup for this. I have been keeping the carnival for 6 years mostly for weekend family outings/long tips and have not had a problem except for minor repair for alternator and master clutch replacement, I used the innova 4 years (45000 kms) and the carnival for 6 years (63000 kms). I thought of replacing it because of its age but since it still fits perfectly for my family use , i decided to maintain it. It's a win/win option for both vehicles. At the end ot the day you will pick the vehicle that would perfectly fit to your family and personal needs.