1995 Honda Civic ESi vs 1993 Nissan Sentra (B13) SR20VE NEO-VVL

[isa1023]

My ESi:
*Same specs and issues, see:
http://tsikot.com/forums/car-compari...ird-u12-88615/

*B13 owner saw my post on the U12 ad and offered me for a straight swap deal with this:
http://www.**************/index.php/...a+Super+Saloon

My dream engine:

http://cdn.sulitstatic.com/images/20...a02ec60556.jpg



Good deal?

How much add ko if ever?

The owner is keen to let go of the car asap, and I'm not afraid there might be some issues.

But what something major should I expect from an SR20VE in a B13?

I remember GH and Niky told me about axle fitment issues of SR20DEs in B14s before.

Is this a similar case?

Need to decide soon.

Thanks po.

[niky]

Axle issues will depend on the transmission source. If I recall right, the 20VE is a Primera motor, and that car is wider than the Sentra.

How much is he asking?

[1D4LV]

ganda pa nung B13 ah..... naka 17s ba yung mags?

[isa1023]

Axle issues will depend on the transmission source. If I recall right, the 20VE is a Primera motor, and that car is wider than the Sentra.

How much is he asking?

Straight swap sir, but I'm quite hesitant kasi madami talaga issues yung ESi ko dahil sa kaluman. Think 410,+++ km on the odo says all. Although I enumerated them to him, ang worry ko is baka after ng swap eh balikan niya ko bakit ganito, bakit ganun yung ESi ko.

As per the ad (re axle and transmission):
SR20ve NEO VVL engine
SR18 Non LSD Manual Tranny
P11 Axle

ganda pa nung B13 ah..... naka 17s ba yung mags?

16s Rota Track R yata sir.

Check the wirings, check if the variable intake and exhuast are in proper working order. Its better to log in also to any sentra forum( preferably local ones) to look for an expert shop for them to check the installation both mechanical and electrical( as well as the electronics) are done properly.

Subukan ko man aralin sir siguro pag nakita ko na hindi ko rin malalaman.

Minamadali ni seller eh, napapaisip tuloy ako bakit ganung ka-rush tsaka maraming ESi na mas malinis at pormado na for swap din.

Anyway mga sir, thanks for the insights.

[ecneret]

ganda pa nga... ganda ng tindig and mulhang fresh pa...

mukhang grid 1570 o racing yung rim nya sir... not sure... but definitely not track r...

[niky]

Eclectic build. I approve of his choices. Though I'm not sure, I believe the SR18 has shorter intermediate gears, which should be great for performance. P11 axles should be a good fit... the P11 is a Primera, but an older one. That model is Sentra-sized and Sentra-width, so there should be little issue with them. I'd wish for an LSD, but if you're not dragging the car or tracking it, little need.

Best thing to do would be to test drive to check mechanical condition... but for a straight swap, even if that thing has issues and even if it turns out it drinks gas like a mofo, that's a sweet swap.

[isa1023]

Nice. Thanks sir Niky.

I'm sure you'd know if I told the axle-transmission specs.

I'll meet up with him soon.

I'm really not expecting good FC from something like that, but it's okay I'm used to 4 to 5 km/liter from my previous carb-fed Mazda.

Not going to drag and track either.

Just wanted an SR engine since then, because the red valve cover looks really cool.

[aki0125]

Check the wirings, check if the variable intake and exhuast are in proper working order. Its better to log in also to any sentra forum( preferably local ones) to look for an expert shop for them to check the installation both mechanical and electrical( as well as the electronics) are done properly.

[aki0125]

Wheres the sentra located?

You can ask for some sentra poeple especially that are expert with the sr20 engine to go with you. AFAIK the VE engines at WOT would give out 2 pulls. Its like the B16 of honda but for the sr20ve twice siya.

[isa1023]

Not really sure about its valve timing technology but it's NEO-VVL in a 2.0 engine so it should be more powerful than its smaller brother SR16VE.

But considering it wasn't used locally, I can see why GH says the SR20DE is a better option - parts availability.

The seller is really pushing for the deal despite my car's various issues. Makes me think I'll be in big trouble soon if something rare breaks down on me.

For those interested for a steal deal, type "ricoboi" in Sulit and take the B13 ad. It is located in Lipa City.

[ghosthunter]

Not really sure about its valve timing technology but it's NEO-VVL in a 2.0 engine so it should be more powerful than its smaller brother SR16VE.

But considering it wasn't used locally, I can see why GH says the SR20DE is a better option - parts availability.

The seller is really pushing for the deal despite my car's various issues. Makes me think I'll be in big trouble soon if something rare breaks down on me.

For those interested for a steal deal, type "ricoboi" in Sulit and take the B13 ad. It is located in Lipa City.

Something will always break. Consider it's a used engine in that car with unknown history.

Then if you consider to bring it to the race track, you can't push it hard because of fear of breaking something in the SR20VE that is harder to find than hen's teeth.

Even my SR20DE had a few issues that took quite a while to fix due to the number of difference SR20DE variants.

[ecneret]

Yan definitely track r talaga.

[GTi]

OK lang sayo na mas luma at mas masikip yung B13 sa ESi mo? At medyo nakakatakot din. SR20VE sa napakaliit at napakagaan na B13. Ano kaya pakiramdam kapag humahataw?

Personally, I'd get a B14 with that engine. Meron naman eh. Tingnan mo Sulit ID 3712075. SR20VE Neo VVL din with P11 LSD tranny. O kaya Sulit ID 5287633, B14 with SR20DE naman.

[vinj]

OK lang sayo na mas luma at mas masikip yung B13 sa ESi mo? At medyo nakakatakot din. SR20VE sa napakaliit at napakagaan na B13. Ano kaya pakiramdam kapag humahataw?

With a properly set up Sentra, it's quite stable. Even more stable then the Corollas of it's age if you ask me.

Anyway, with any SR20 swap, i'd go with the advice to look into the wirings. In a lot of cases the engines don't perform to their full potential because of haphazard wiring. This can be fixed but you'll need time and patience to go over the wirings.

[ghosthunter]

OK lang sayo na mas luma at mas masikip yung B13 sa ESi mo? At medyo nakakatakot din. SR20VE sa napakaliit at napakagaan na B13. Ano kaya pakiramdam kapag humahataw?

Personally, I'd get a B14 with that engine. Meron naman eh. Tingnan mo Sulit ID 3712075. SR20VE Neo VVL din with P11 LSD tranny. O kaya Sulit ID 5287633, B14 with SR20DE naman.

If you have enough traction, it's like Darth Vader pushing you into your driver's seat using the "force". Heck, it's the same with a B14 with tuned SR20DE.

[GTi]

^Haha~ 187hp pa naman yan, in a sub 1000kg car. I remember my uncle mentioning about the SiR he used to take on drag races. Its significantly larger than the B13 and has lesser power than the SR20VE. And yet it would feel as if the car would lift off the ground anytime at speeds in excess of 200km/h, as if the slightest error with the steering wheel would send it flying off. He'd said it was fast but highly unstable in high speeds due to lightness.

[isa1023]

Atras na ko sa offer niya sa B13, but he has an Accord for takes din and I think he persistently wants my car, despite the numerous issues which I honestly pointed out to him in detail.

It surfaced out that the VE engine, installed just four months ago, has no papers yet and needs to be sorted out for the next registration in January.

Four months pa lang after the transplant and the car is for takes na kagad that rush must be some deal breaker and future headache. Either that or it really gulps gasoline big time (although this is expected), although the seller attested to the fuel economy of the car after the swap.

Anyway, baka magkita pa din kami bukas and depending on the deal, I might go home with the Accord instead.



Thank you sa insights mga sir.

Honestly, I don't have enough funds to fix a breaking SR20VE (which sounds horror when axles have issues on GH and Niky's previous Sentras, considering those are SR20DEs which supposedly have more parts available here) and the sufficient knowledge and know-how with such JDM Nissan engines.

[GodziRRa!]

OK lang sayo na mas luma at mas masikip yung B13 sa ESi mo? At medyo nakakatakot din. SR20VE sa napakaliit at napakagaan na B13. Ano kaya pakiramdam kapag humahataw?

Personally, I'd get a B14 with that engine. Meron naman eh. Tingnan mo Sulit ID 3712075. SR20VE Neo VVL din with P11 LSD tranny. O kaya Sulit ID 5287633, B14 with SR20DE naman.

Sorry for the revive but I feel I just have to answer this. There are A LOT as in A LOT of B13s w/ NeoV already and yes like you say it is light weight but it's ok as long as the driver is not suicidal or something. Does a tiny starlet w/ 4e turbo ring a bell? ;) In the U.S it is a popular swap nowadays on their B13 Se-Rs, w/c is even lighter than our local four door!! Some even do a SR20VET hybrid/ Frankenstein swap!! Yes you read that right. As a matter of fact I have experienced driving a VET hybrid on a paper light ECCS. hehe. All fun.

As for the technical stuff, P11 axle is a bolt on to the B13... Se-R engine mounts also are used in this transplant to avoid additional welding for the mounts. I sense the B13 and accord owner is going to do a project or has a buyer of the Esi (high price) that's why he wants the OPs car. Oh as for the space having used my sis car before, I'd say it's not that huge of a space difference between the the esi and eccs. B14 and vti though is bigger.