2012 Fortuner 3.0V vs Montero Sport GTV

[Retz]

Does the Fortuner 3.0V comes with a touch screen HU?

[SiRbossR]

The GLS-V AT is faster than the GLS-V MT? There is a MT version right?

It's probably the GLX-V.

[Starex_Gold]

It's probably the GLX-V.

Meron GLS-V M/T. Yung 4X4.

[niky]

The GLS-V is faster than the GLX-V because of the notchy shifter. With perfect shifting, you could go faster in the GLX-V, but that's a hard ask.

[Starex_Gold]

^ Maglagay ng shift light

[cnxpr08]

those 2 suvs are still a big X para hyundai sta.fe.

[meowwin]

Cripple_rooster, it just goes on to saying that you certainly belong to statement no. 1






Now, you're other statement is totally a well-said disinformation (not only misinformation).... If you're looking globally, without so much refence to Las Islas Filipinas, how can a company like Mitsubishi that's not even in the Top 10 largest and most reputable car companies in the world could tie-up with the world's No. 4 Hyundai-Kia company, it also being the 2nd largest car company in Asia next to world's No. 1 Toyota Motors? ....Hyundai is even the world's best in terms of operating cost, that not even Toyota Motors could match in terms of its efficiency in production cost.

Secondly, Hyundai is at No. 61 in this Top 100 global brand valuation, while Mitsubishi is a bigtime neverheard ;)

Sir He was Trying to say the PAST not the Present, Here's a link

Hyundai: from borrowing engines from Mitsubishi to providing them for Mercedes-Benz


Yesterday, after driving the new rear-wheel-drive Genesis sedan at Hyundai's state-of-the-art research facility and test tracks in Namyang, Korea, we had lunch with Dr. Hyun-Soon Lee, who is President of the R&D and Corporate Product Planning and Strategy Divisions of Hyundai-Kia Motors. Dr. Lee joined Hyundai in 1984, so he has been at the company since before it sold cars in the United States (the Hyundai Excel, that gem of a subcompact, debuted here in 1986).
Dr. Lee reminded us what a big achievement the Genesis is for this automaker, which was established only four decades ago as a satellite assembly company for Ford's U.K. arm to assemble Ford Cortinas for the Korean market. Aside from those kit cars, Hyundai's first car was the 1975 Pony (which, incidentally, was designed by Giugiaro), and through the 1980s Hyundai licensed designs from Mitsubishi to build cars. Hyundai did not build its own engine until 1991, when the Alpha four-cylinder was introduced. Dr. Lee was the proud father of that engine, which is still used in the Accent.
From its first engine seventeen years ago, the company is now building a variety of four- and six-cylinder passenger-car engines and now also a completely modern V-8, the Tau, which is optional in the new Genesis luxury sedan. "It all started in 1990," recalls Dr. Lee, "when Toyota launched Lexus. We were just spectators, but we thought, 'Why couldn't we do that, also?' At the time, our daydream seemed laughable, but through diligence and hard work, our dream has come true. Until 1991, when we developed our first engine, we had no technology; we relied totally on Mitsubishi. The Alpha gave us a tremendous boost of confidence, and we now can build anything we want. We could build a 600-horsepower supercar, or we could build a $2000 people's car. But the car we have always wanted to build is the one you drove today [the Genesis]."
While presiding over a sumptuous lunch at Rolling Hills, Hyundai's luxurious modern hotel near its Namyang facilities, the softspoken Dr. Lee elaborated on Hyundai's technological accomplishments and growth. The tables have turned on its relationship with Mitsubishi, as Hyundai now supplies technology for the 2.0-liter and 2.4-liter Theta engines for both Mitsubishi and Chrysler. Some 1.9 million of them were built in 2007. And at this year's Beijing auto show, Lee recalled, "Dr. Dieter Zetsche [head of Mercedes-Benz] announced that he would like to partner with Hyundai for four-cylinder engines."
After reflecting on this fact for a moment, Dr. Lee said, "I am not sure we want to share our technology."
The irony at the table was richer than the cream of mushroom soup. Here was the man who developed a simple, four-cylinder engine to relieve his company of its reliance on one of Japan's second-tier automakers, now able to entertain offers from the world's most prestigious automaker for an engine-sharing deal. How quickly things change in the automotive world. And how quickly one realizes that Hyundai is a force to be reckoned with.


Read more: Hyundai: from borrowing engines from Mitsubishi to providing them for Mercedes-Benz

[meowwin]

here's another one

Hyundai Team Up With Partners For Launch Of World Engine

Hyundai Motor Company, DaimlerChrysler AG and Mitsubishi Motors Corporation have announced their new series of world engines will be built and developed in the alliance's new North American production facility in Dundee, Michigan.

The plant will be jointly operated by the Chrysler Group (a unit of DaimlerChrysler AG), Hyundai and Mitsubishi.

Standing on a 245-acre site, the Dundee, Michigan plant will build the alliance's world engine, a new family of fuel and emissions-efficient all-aluminium powerplants in 1.8, 2.0 and 2.4-litre capacities.


The final agreement for the 245-acre Dundee site is still subject to several government approvals, as well as approval by the supervisory boards of DaimlerChrysler, Hyundai and Mitsubishi.

In May 2002, the three companies announced they had entered into a joint venture, titled Global Engine Alliance LLC, with Hyundai taking the lead role in the design, development and engineering of the world engine family.

The first Global Engine Alliance partner to manufacture the engine will be Hyundai, which will begin production in 2004 in Asan, Korea independently of the Global Engine Alliance. The engine will also be manufactured by Mitsubishi in Japan.

Total annual Global Engine Alliance production is estimated at over 1.5 million units. The joint venture could provide the highest-volume engine family in the world. Because of the high volumes and shared development costs, the three partners will enjoy impressive economies of scale, taking advantage of worldwide sourcing.

All three companies bring a special emphasis from their respective production systems to the world engine project. The project uses the resources of the three companies in a unique working structure termed Cross-Functional Team Participation where each partner takes the lead in a specific area for the plant development plan and implementation, including plant layout, production processes and workforce strategy.

[meowwin]

The Chrysler World Gas Engines (WGE) and Tiger Shark

The “World Gas Engine” is set to spawn a new generation, internally dubbed “Tiger Shark,” which is to be made in 2.0 and 2.4 liter versions. Wiped clean of the Daimler errors, the Tiger Shark will be more balanced than the horsepower-biased first generation; expected production is 600,000 per year, and it is to completely replace the current World Gas Engine starting in late 2011. There may be both standard Dual-VVT and MultiAir versions; reported power ratings range from 185 to over 200.

The VVT system on the 2.0 and 2.4 are being reworked for a broader power band, sacrificing some peak horsepower but increasing gas mileage and performance; swapping the intakes; and updating the valvetrain to roller cam followers, doing away with the buckets on the valve springs.

Engine Horsepower
(2008) Horsepower
(2014 Est.) MPG
(Caliber) Torque
(Lb-Ft) Nm
1.8 liter 148 * 6,400 rpm 220 (turbo) 28/35 125 * 4,400 rpm
124 * 5,500 rpm 169
2.0 liter 158 * 6,400 rpm 155 - 160 28/34 141 * 5,200 rpm
135 * 5,200 rpm 190
2.4 liter (Caliber) 172 * 6,000 rpm
175 - 185
25/31 165 *5,200 rpm
164 * 4,400* 224
2.4 liter (Sebring) 172 * 6,000 rpm 23/31 165 * 4,400 rpm 222
2.4 turbocharged 285 255 - 300 22/28 260 352
Thanks, Kerryman, for the gas mileage numbers! MPG is from FWD Caliber for 1.8, 2.0; AWD Caliber for 2.4.

The “world engines” replaced the “Neon” 2.0 and 2.4 liter four cylinder engines starting in 2006. They boasted advanced technologies including dual variable valve timing and a flow-control valve intake manifold. The basic engines were designed jointly by Chrysler, Mitsubishi, and Hyundai, and are made and used by all three - in different configurations. Reviewers generally praised the Hyundai version more than the Mitsu, and the Chrysler version, being tuned for peak paper power, comes in last - except when turbocharged. The World Engine is criticized for being rough and noisy, and making poor power at lower engine speeds, but it was reportedly cheaper to build than the old 2.0 / 2.4 liter engines.

The engines made by Chrysler are in three displacements, all familiar to Chrysler owners (because all three are similar to the current Neon/Stratus engine): 1.8, 2.0, and 2.4 liters. The 2.4 was rated at 172 horsepower and 165 lb-ft of torque, reaching ULEV II emissions standards and increase gas mileage by 5% over the current line. Some of the gain is due to variable valve timing, with continuously variable phasing of both the intake and exhaust valves ("dual VVT"); wedge-shaped heads were used. Though Chrysler was late to the variable valve party, it was the first company to offer dual VVT in the United States on entry-level vehicles.

The engines were designed to be turbocharged and supercharged, partly through use of large water jackets and metal areas around each siamesed cylinder.



Noise, vibration, and harshness were addressed through an isolated valve cover and damped oil pan, a variety of select-fit parts, and the flow control valve ("variable") intake manifold. The bell housing is designed for a tighter than usual connection to the transmission, hopefully eliminating the oil leaks that often come to high-mileage engines.



The engine was built in a new joint-venture plant in Dundee, Michigan; blocks were made by J.L. French of Wisconsin. The older 2.4 liter engines made in Mexico continued for a Russian venture making vehicles closely based on the Sebring/Stratus (using the tooling that was retired in May 2006). The photos with blue backgrounds (or no backgrounds) are courtesy of Chrysler.



Who is actually designing the engines?
In 2008, Chrysler was working on a new four cylinder engine package, which may or may not be based on the World Engines. FEV was working with Chrysler on this design, which is running a turbocharger and direct injection.
Reportedly, the basic block was designed by Hyundai, and Chrysler and Mitsubishi then made a large number of modifications to make it more efficient and adapt it to their uses and technologies. Most of the packaging/dressing components, such as intake manifolds and valve timing equipment, were developed by each partner independently. For example, the variable valve timing was developed by Mercedes and was used on the V6 in the E-Class. J.L. French makes the blocks for American engines, with Nemak providing head castings from Mexico.

Funding for GEMA was put togther by all the partners, and $57 million was DCX's share. GEMA is a separate company and it pays royalties to external and internal partners and patent holders.



Clever stuff
The plastic intake manifold has equal-length runners with electrical flow control valves that, when closed, increase air tumble by blocking over half the intake port. Over 3,200 rpm, the valves are opened to allow full airflow. The valve cover is also composite (plastic) and has a variety of vibration-reducing seals.



The electro-hydraulic dual valve timing system uses oil under pressure to adjust timing (both intake and exhaust) using cam phasing so that timing is continuously variable. There is little overlap at idle and more overlap at speed, to permit built-in exhaust gas reburning without a pump. The exhaust cam can move through 35 degrees; the intake through 40 degrees. The cams ride on tappets that come in four dozen very similar thicknesses; the tappets are automatically matched to the individual heads during assembly, eliminating the need to adjust valve lash.

While all the engines use essentially the same block, displacement is changed by shortening the stroke or using thicker piston liners. The pistons themselves have short skirts and friction-reducing graphite patches. The crankshaft is forged steel, is located above the balance shaft/oil pump, and draws oil from the oil pan; it includes an integrated pump. The blocks are all automatically measured at the factory and key components such as pistons and bearings are matched to individual engines to reduce machining and noise, while increasing engine efficiency.

Why are they designing and building engines with two competitors?


Total World Engine production, from two plants in Dundee, two in South Korea, and one in Japan, is expected to be 1.8 million engines per year. Each participating company will see far higher volumes, offsetting engineering costs (by amortizing them over more units) and allowing cost savings from parts purchasing as well. Many components, including pistons, valves, rods, fuel injectors, and camshafts, are outsourced; by raising the volume, the Global Engine Manufacturing Alliance (GEMA) can reduce the price of these as vendors are also able to amortize engineering costs over higher volumes. The result will, according to GEMA, save $100 million per year for DCX. There are also price savings from having similarly designed assembly plants, albeit in different countries.

Capital investment has further been reduced by standardizing machining centers, using commonly available machines, and by running the plant in the US 294 days per year.

According to GEMA, Chrysler actually took the lead in development of the dual variable valve timing system.

"Flexible machining centers in a hospital-clean manufacturing environment are the basis to the GEMA business model," said GEMA President Coventry. "Compared to the traditional transfer line process, this model incorporates part recognition and automatic changeover features to allow different products to flow down the line seamlessly; even allowing for a batch size of one. An even greater benefit that machining centers give us over transfer lines is uninterrupted flow, even if there is machine downtime. In the end, we're creating a final product with higher precision, better performance and durability that greatly exceeds each partner company's previous standards."

“World Engine” en español
(traducción personalizada)
The Chrysler Group will take the lead in operating the two Global Engine Manufacturing Alliance facilities in Dundee, Michigan. GEMA is investing more than $700 million in the 1 million square-foot plant, which will create approximately 550 jobs in Southeast Michigan. Each of the two Dundee plants will have capacity of 420,000 units per year. (Update: only one plant is now operating)

Chrysler World Engine specifications: 2.4 liter (in 2009 Chrysler Sebring trim)
Displacement

144 cu. in. (2360 cu. cm)

Bore x Stroke

3.46 x 3.82 (88 x 97)

Valve System

Chain-driven DOHC, 16 valves, electronically controlled dual Variable Valve Timing, direct-acting shimless mechanical bucket tappets

Fuel Injection

Sequential, multi-port, electronic, returnless

Construction

High-pressure die-cast aluminum block with dry iron liners, Cast-aluminum cylinder heads, cast-aluminum ladder frame, Forged steel crankshaft

Compression

10.5:1

Power (SAE net)

172 bhp (129 kW) * 6,000 rpm (71 bhp/liter), estimated

Torque (SAE net)

165 lb.-ft. (222 N•m) * 4,400 rpm, estimated

Max. Engine Speed

6,500 rpm (electronically limited)

Fuel Requirement

Unleaded regular, 8744 octane (R+M)/2

Oil Capacity

5.0 qt. (4.7L) SAE 5W-20

Coolant Capacity

7.2 qt. (6.8L)

Emission Controls

Single catalytic converter, Dual heated oxygen sensors and engine features

Fuel Economy

23/31 Estimated EPA MPG (City/Hwy)

[meowwin]

Guys Madami pang Articles you can GOOGLE it your self.

Google

[Retz]

of course youngster tend to go with a Monty GTV over a Fort 3.0V

[renzo_d10]

of course youngster tend to go with a Monty GTV over a Fort 3.0V

Says who? :um:

[Starex_Gold]

Says who? :um:

Sabi ni Aling D.....

[silver V]

Montero for me.6 months namin pinagpilian between montero or fortuner.montero wins hands down,be it on paper or actual performance.also test driven both.try viewing both brand forums and youll see how happy montero owners are.also view botchi santos' review on top gear hehe.peace

[andylim1]

IMHO, i'd go for fortuner when it comes to exterior and interior. but if performance i'd go for montero.
walang sinabi 4x4 top of the line ng fortuner sa Montero 4x2 pa lang.

[renzo_d10]

Before, I was hesitant about the Montero because I really liked the Fortuner's looks. But with how the "All-new" Fortuner looks like , I'm already leaning towards the Montero in terms of looks preference. In beige, with an OEM spoiler.

However, my Montero preference would just stay where it is if it's battled with the Fortuner. Put in the Hyundai Santa Fe or the Kia Sorento then my choice would definitely change.

[Titleist983k]

My dad bought a GTV in December, I got a 2.5G (3.0V too expensive for me) this January. He is happy with his and I am happy with mine. Can't go wrong with either one of them. Both gives you value for money. I don't see any reason to be a fan boy of any of these vehicles (car maker). Both delivers well for what you pay for. Although it took me almost 6 months to decide; among the choices were the Tucson evgt 4x2, cx-7, camry g, sonata and xtrail.

[thunderguy]

Some people just can't accept facts that's why they get too anecdotal about their experiences

FACT 1: Different folks = different strokes

Call it coincidence Walter? Here's some facts why TOYOTA ;)

FACT 2: TOYOTA is the world's top carmaker in global brand valuation
Toyota is top carmarker in global brand value evaluation - News | TopGear.com.ph

FACT 3: The so-called vaunted Mitsubishi is even a neverheard in the Top 100 best global brands

FACT 4: Only shows that the biggest chunk of car buyers in the world are owning TOYOTAS ;)

Sir please click link http://www.which.co.uk/news/2011/03/...turers-247619/. The list shows that Mitsubishi got an 81% rating in the top ten reliable car manufacturers of 2010. fyi. not a monty owner here just an avid reader.

[OTEP]

Being the tambay of the local aircon shop, the Fortuner (and it's IMV siblings) require full dashboard removal for a/c service.

The Montero just requires glove box removal.

Aircon servicing the Yota requires more time, costs more in labor, and has the potential for more things to go wrong (broken clips, wiring not reattached, etc.).

It's a minor thing I guess, but that's my pet peeve. Not a problem in the first five years of ownership but as cars get older, they also need to be serviced.

[Rangie]

How about the periodic maintenance cost for this 2 vehicles?