Most fuel efficient sub compact automatic

[parak21]

Dear all,

I am buying a vehicle. I just need inputs on which cars on the narket is the most fuel efficient.

Take note, for CITY DRIVING ONLY

car must be AUTOMATIC.

accent crdi a/t
Vios 1.3e
Mirage glx cvt
City 1.3s

Will they have the same figures for city driving? Like edsa type or traffic.

[Walter]

Obviously, the diesel Accent would be the most cost efficient when it comes to fuel.

[niky]

In city driving, the 1.3 liter engines in the Vios and the City don't seem well suited to the drag of the transmissions. Some even claim that they drink more gas than the 1.5 ATs, though when I've driven them, I found them to still be slightly more economical. It all depends on driving style. Suffice to say, they're not the most economical picks amongst your choices.

The Mirage CVT is pretty good, and it's a light car, so economy is decent even with the auto in traffic.. The Accent diesel is pretty decent, though I haven't driven it in heavy traffic, so I can't comment on city use.

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And GH makes an excellent point. With what the Mirage GLX CVT costs versus the Accent diesel, you can buy a whole crapload of gas.

[ghosthunter]

Dear all,

I am buying a vehicle. I just need inputs on which cars on the narket is the most fuel efficient.

Take note, for CITY DRIVING ONLY

car must be AUTOMATIC.

accent crdi a/t
Vios 1.3e
Mirage glx cvt
City 1.3s

Will they have the same figures for city driving? Like edsa type or traffic.

Most would say Accent diesel would be the best option.

But I would differ on that becuse the purchase price of the Accent diesel is P868,000.

Compare to something more affordable like the MIRAGE GLX CVT P548,000.

That is a difference of P320,000

That can buy a lot of fuel.

In fact it is enough to fill the MIRAGE's fuel tank for around four years.

So if you consider that, the MIRAGE already has a FOUR year head start on being more economical on fuel.

If we would consider the price difference between gas and diesel, then the MIRAGE would even be much more ahead in cost savings.

[renzo_d10]

Isa pa yung maintenance cost, mahal magmaintain ng CRDi vs. gas

[s10pao]

If we would consider the price difference between gas and diesel, then the MIRAGE would even be much more ahead in cost savings.

sir can you further elaborate on this?

[ghosthunter]

sir can you further elaborate on this?

The following will not be 100% accurate but hopefully it would show my point.

Assuming the Accent CRDi and MIRAGE CVT gets around the same fuel mileage from their respective fuels.

Gasoline = approximately P52/L

Diesel = approximately P43/L

Fuel cost difference = P9/L

Purchase price difference between Accent and Mirage = P320,000

320,000 / 9 = 35,555.56

Mirage has a 30L fuel tank.

35,555.56 / 30 = 1185.19 full tanks for the MIRAGE.

Assuming one full tank per week = 296.30 months or 24 years

The Accent CRDI would need 24 years before the PURCHASE cost difference between the Accent / Mirage would catch up with the Mirage based on fuel savings on diesel vs gasoline.

[basti08]

My Mirage CVT feels just a bit more efficient than my 2010 Vios 1.5G AT. Now that I experienced both, I'm more inclined to suggesting a 1.5L Vios AT. Although, the Vios 1.3L AT is indeed a bit more economical than a 1.5G AT during city traffic driving, during normal driving conditions, the 1.5L AT is still way better. That is, taken into consideration that you are travelling with passengers, with bit of highway driving where power and economy balance is important. The 1.5L is still better. Tried a real world driving (no eco style, hataw pag pwede) with a 1.3L AT convoy (with me using my 1.5G AT) to Tagaytay and the 1.3L ending up consuming almost same. With the 1.3L struggling to keep up in the inclines. I hope you get what I mean.

[ratchet23]

My Mirage CVT feels just a bit more efficient than my 2010 Vios 1.5G AT. Now that I experienced both, I'm more inclined to suggesting a 1.5L Vios AT. Although, the Vios 1.3L AT is indeed a bit more economical than a 1.5G AT during city traffic driving, during normal driving conditions, the 1.5L AT is still way better. That is, taken into consideration that you are travelling with passengers, with bit of highway driving where power and economy balance is important. The 1.5L is still better. Tried a real world driving (no eco style, hataw pag pwede) with a 1.3L AT convoy (with me using my 1.5G AT) to Tagaytay and the 1.3L ending up consuming almost same. With the 1.3L struggling to keep up in the inclines. I hope you get what I mean.

Same thing here. Our Mirage GLS CVT is only a bit more economical than our 2007 2nd gen Vios 1.5 4A/T with 17 inch rims. about 1 km/l in average. The Mirage and Vios 1.5 are roughly the same in fuel consumption maybe because of my driving foot. getting used to the acceleration of the Sorento R-eVGT and 1.5 vios for everyday use makes me press the accelerator pedal more on the mirage on highway driving

After a year of using the Mirage and clocked 20,000 kilometers, I can say it is a pretty good car. the features are well worth the price tag, It's easy to drive, more fun to drive than the vios (not considering the additional more horses on the 1.5 ) don't expect too much on the claimed fuel consumption though. even in pure highway that 21km/l is hard to achieve when you are driving at least 90kph. haha. I did achieved last night an 18.5 Km/L consumption travelling 60 kms no traffic and about 7 traffic light stops with a very very very conservative foot and 80kph speed limit haha.

Some Issues I have with the mirage:

- That Starter and Flywheel problem on the mirage which I did not yet relayed to the service. it happens like once a week where all you can hear upon starting is high pitch motor noise.
- The ABS Recall which is Done
- There is something in the brakes occasionally where the brake pedal is vibrating during braking. like ABS is triggered or something. but it is not hard braking naman.
- The evidence of Cost Cutting is everywhere. plastics, center console box is an accessory, there are no cabin lights on the rear and the hatch, etc. The noise at highway speeds is annoying. lack of sound insulation. but I have to commend the Suspension set-up. It is surprisingly comfortable for a little car. it deals with bumps on highways well for 3 or 4 persons. but with 5 adults on-board, the suspension will bottom up easily on uneven road surfaces
- Braking performance is noticably weaker with full 5 passengers. but it would suffice. you do have to adjust.
- the colors on the bumper are now yellowish. the body color is different with the painted plastics.
- the labor rates at Mitsubishi PMS are high also the Turbo XP FS oil they carry is also expensive and there is no Semi-synthetic option. together with the labor, a 3 Liter Fully Synthtic PMS of a Mirage costs the same as a 7 Liter Semi-Synthetic PMS of the Sorento R-eVGT.
- the A/C Cabin filter is very dirty at around 16T Kms. turbine noise and foul smell every time you turn on the A/C and it is not readily available at three CASAs I visited. I have no choice but to clean it with a leaf blower.

You can't expect really on a car this cheap, its still a good buy considering the features this car has. Push Button Start with proximity entry, Automatic Climate Control and GPS/Touchscreen for under 600k after the early-bird discount for the top of the range GLS. its a hundred thousand or more cheaper than the others. it is a very good car for city driving. if you drive often highway, uh uhm, better get the vios 1.5

[Walter]

My Mirage CVT feels just a bit more efficient than my 2010 Vios 1.5G AT. Now that I experienced both, I'm more inclined to suggesting a 1.5L Vios AT. Although, the Vios 1.3L AT is indeed a bit more economical than a 1.5G AT during city traffic driving, during normal driving conditions, the 1.5L AT is still way better. That is, taken into consideration that you are travelling with passengers, with bit of highway driving where power and economy balance is important. The 1.5L is still better. Tried a real world driving (no eco style, hataw pag pwede) with a 1.3L AT convoy (with me using my 1.5G AT) to Tagaytay and the 1.3L ending up consuming almost same. With the 1.3L struggling to keep up in the inclines. I hope you get what I mean.

TS specifically states that it's for city driving only. So the smaller engine is better suited for TS.

[170kphlang]

ang malaking advantage ng accent crdi ay whether eco or spirited driving ka, hindi ka nagwoworry sa fuel consumption

[basti08]

ang malaking advantage ng accent crdi ay whether eco or spirited driving ka, hindi ka nagwoworry sa fuel consumption

Correct!

#tooshort

[s10pao]

The following will not be 100% accurate but hopefully it would show my point.

Assuming the Accent CRDi and MIRAGE CVT gets around the same fuel mileage from their respective fuels.

Gasoline = approximately P52/L

Diesel = approximately P43/L

Fuel cost difference = P9/L

Purchase price difference between Accent and Mirage = P320,000

320,000 / 9 = 35,555.56

Mirage has a 30L fuel tank.

35,555.56 / 30 = 1185.19 full tanks for the MIRAGE.

Assuming one full tank per week = 296.30 months or 24 years

The Accent CRDI would need 24 years before the PURCHASE cost difference between the Accent / Mirage would catch up with the Mirage based on fuel savings on diesel vs gasoline.

thanks GH!

here's how i computed it

Assumptions:
12T Km per year
Php52/L gasoline
Php43/L gasoline

12KPL Accent HB
10KPL Mirage

Annual fuel cost for Accent HB
12,000/12*43 = Php43,000 per year

Annual fuel cost for Mirage
12,000/10*52 = Php64,200 per year

Annual fuel cost difference
Php19,400

Years to recover price difference
320,00/19,400 = 16.49484536

[ghosthunter]

thanks GH!

here's how i computed it

Assumptions:
12T Km per year
Php52/L gasoline
Php43/L gasoline

12KPL Accent HB
10KPL Mirage

Annual fuel cost for Accent HB
12,000/12*43 = Php43,000 per year

Annual fuel cost for Mirage
12,000/10*52 = Php64,200 per year

Annual fuel cost difference
Php19,400

Years to recover price difference
320,00/19,400 = 16.49484536

With whatever computation (I did say my computation isn't accurate but enough to show my point) to see any benefit from the Accent's CRDi engine vs the Mirage 1.2L CVT, it would still take over ten years of driving the car.

[Syuryuken]

ang tinatanong lang naman ng TS kung ano ang mas fuel efficient a

[Mikemike07]

Maiba naman. Gonna fanboy a bit. Lancer ex nalang. You'll get more car for the money. And more features din. At around the same price. The AT lancer ex 1.6 is around 800k after discounts. 750k for the manual.

Nagulat kasi ako sa presyo ng mga subcompacts ngayon. Konting konti nalang difference sa compacts. Tapos paghonda usually masmahal pa sa compacts ng iba. I think for the same money of a jazz/city you can get a base altis/lancer ex. The base lancer isnt even bare. Do check it out. Its fun to drive too! Itll get beat out by the subcompacts in fuel consumption though but for a compact its on the borderline of good-great depending on your driving style.

But among your choices, id go with the 2013 vios. Toyota will always be the safest choice lalo na sa subcompact line. Happy shopping.

[e2romo]

The computation that factors in the price of the car would be total cost of ownership. If TS is only interested in the fuel economy then he just need the real world km/liter reading of the car. But total cost of ownership is the more logical way to look at costs savings.

To make the total cost of ownership more accurate you'll have to factor in also the maintenance costs. Like in Hyundai forum they said you have to go for maintenance every 3 months or they will void the warranty, hence you have a quarterly recurring expense.

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